Aug 26 2009
Never Pick A Fight With Those Who Defend This Country
So the CIA interrogated madmen hell bent on massacring thousands of innocent Americans, and were able to stop attacks in progress. They should be considered heroes. Instead, President Obama needs some red meat for his left wing nut jobs to chew on since they will not be getting any government run health care this Christmas. I don’t have the time or desire to link to all the nonsense from the left wing rags on this blatant attempt to give the beleaguered and bumbling White House some kind of political vindication.
But I will note one post at Powerline to underscore how this will pan out and further the Democrats’ demise in the eyes of the public:
Having read the CIA report in its entirety, I am struck once again by how humane our treatment of captured terrorists was intended to be, and generally was. The handful of incidents highlighted by press accounts of the report came to light precisely because they were reported as deviations from the treatment of detainees that had been authorized by DOJ lawyers.
As a threshold matter, it is important to note that the allegations that have been reported in the press are just that–allegations, sometimes based on hearsay. The CIA’s Inspector General singled out two incidents for special investigation, both of which involved the same debriefer–not a trained interrogator. As for the other allegations, the Inspector General’s report says:
For all of the instances, the allegations were disputed or too ambiguous to reach any authoritative determination regarding the facts. Thus, although these allegations are illustrative of the nature of the concerns held by individuals associated with the CTC Program and the need for clear guidance, they did not warrant separate investigations or administrative action.
It is ridiculous to claim something is out of control by pointing to the incidents detected by that very same process to detect and stop things before they get out of control! The inspector general investigated the incidents and found insufficient evidence to take further action.
Who do these pretend experts (with a made for TV grasp of the law and details – and I am talking about you Greenwald) who pontificate and judge from afar in complete violation of our Constitution. Do these idiots with cheap law degrees (at best) recall something referred to as ‘innocent until proven guilty’ and ‘due process’?
Why are these liberal clowns clamoring about the treatment of madmen hell bent on killing them, their families, their friends, their neighbors and their fellow citizens without recognizing a single iota of the due process provided these killers, while targeting, disparaging and tarnishing the unsung heroes  of this nation?
If Obama and his liberal zealots think targeting those who protected this nation from other attacks since 9-11 (and they did) in a lame attempt to distract this nation from their failed economic policies and their proposed government rationed health care, they are truly stupid.
All this nation needs is more excuses to throw these fools out. All this nation needs is further reminders never to let the Democrat party near power EVER again. This nation will never align with the killers of 9-11 and their ilk and oppose the defenders of our freedoms. Never.
From your blog to God’s ears.
One can only hope you’re right based on the public propensity toward flaky behavior—-fear not for your hard core readers though as they will never forget nor forgive.
In the end I have no fear of liberals as they are cowards who will run when the fight comes to them. They can’t handle the debate from the town halls, how will they handle real adversity. And policies and laws and rules and regulations can always be undone.
I would be curious as to the military perception of dear leader (whether scientific or anecdotal). They play with big toys and don’t have to take the political BS so seriously—I like that check and balance.
This is worse than you think AJ. The far left wing nut jobs are doing the same thing that the far right wing nut jobs did just a few years ago. Eating there own.
Most bureaucrats at the CIA are either left wing or center-left in the politics. To be attacked from the left has got to be the worst thing Obama could do. Like I have written many times, the center-left is left wing in their hearts. But attacking them from the left will make them think real hard about running to the center instead of their usual reflex of running to the left.
And all they did was do their jobs and do them well in protecting this nation (that would be you and me), from further attacks after 9-11. It was the anti-defense far left that drove the creation of pro-American Reagan democrats. Which is why there were and still are many center-left politicians from the 70’s and 80’s in the Republican party (think John McCain).
Obama owns the deficit, Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy completely by January 2010, and now any future terrorist attack. If there is a major attack on US soil next year the 2010 elections will be a bloodbath, literally and figuratively.
Yeesh. Whenever the Republicans screw up and get voted out, the country learns all over again that however badly the Republicans REEK, the Democrats are always vastly worse. At least the Repubs didn’t appear to be actively working to bankrupt and/or destroy the country.
I am mildly curious to see whether the CIA has the guts to strike back against Obama the way they fought Bush. But I’m not expecting it – as MarkN said, they’re still mostly leftists in their hearts. (Example: the entire Plame game farce was launched from inside the CIA as a matter of revenge against GWB) I suspect that they’re simply going to cry into their beer at the unfairness of life and accept their fates, much like how all the good old Bolsheviks meekly accepted their death sentences from Stalin.
For a dedicated leftist, Ideology is more dear than life itself.
WWS:
I would agree with you on the true leftists.
However, their director got into a shouting match at the WH and he is very liberal. It is the center-left bureaucrats that would not take this crying in their beer. And whether they play the revenge game against Obama or not, national security will take a big hit. And Obama will take a big hit if we get hit and Obama will not be able to blame the CIA.
Maybe now CIA will move off their buts and unearth the missing Obama documents that can save this country and their butts at the same time…
I don’t think the CIA interrogators are the target. And, I think they will look past them at the end of the day. I think the real target is Cheney.
“The abuses that were officially sanctioned amounted to torture and those at the very top who authorized, ordered or sought to provide legal cover for them should be held accountable,†Feingold said in a statement issued late Monday.
http://patdollard.com/2009/08/senator-feingold-and-other-key-dems-want-cheney-charged-with-torture/
See what I mean? Cheney is the target.
You’re right, Frogg, the real tarket is Cheney – but there isn’t any law that he actually broke, so that’s impossilbe. Like a keystone cop, Holder is going to settle for going after a bunch of low level people out of a need to get *anybody*, since now Obama thinks he needs to get some scalps on the wall to appease the far left. He thinks that will keep his poll numbers from falling any further.
The only good to come out of this is that Obama’s wrong about his poll numbers – this will destroy his standing with independants for good.
CIA officers were carrying out orders. The target can only be President Bush. He gave the orders, he charged the DOJ to come up with the rational, he was the President. So Obama, put him on trial if you have the balls. But don’t you have to decide if your definition of torture is a legal definition?
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You may recall the instance years ago in which one of “spontaneous jihad” types in the Maryland area sat at an intersection leading to Langley until a car with a CIA officer going to work came by, killed him, and took off for Waziristan.
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We now have photos of CIA intelligence officers involved with Gitmo interrogations of Al-Qaeda, and their families, with home addresses that are going up on lefty web sites thanks to the American Civil Liberties Union’s “John Adams Project.”
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http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/26/aclus-spying-project-operation-cia-paparazzi/
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http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=335749201347962
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From there it will make it to all the “spontaneous jihad” types from the Saudi funded Madras’s in the Maryland/NVA area.
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I expect these intelligence officers, and their families, will be subjected to additional “spontaneous jihad” attacks like that dead CIA officer. Only it will include attacks on these people in their homes.
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In the worse case, these CIA officer’s kids will be targeted on the way to or in school. Think in terms of a torture-murder snatch, in the USA, of a CIA interrogation officer’s kid(s), complete with internet snuff video release before the body is found.
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The issue for America comes after that chain of events.
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The Democratic Left never, ever, gives up its nutballs. See AG Holder and the Black Panther voter supression case and his current actions on CIA interrogations.
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The Right, to date, does.
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After such a series of events, the Right won’t.
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There will be “Wanted For Treason” websites with the names, photos and addresses of the leftie ACLU lawyer types involved in outing those CIA officials & their families.
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Then Timothy McVeigh type Right Wing nutballs will act on those. Think in terms of harassment, multiple sub-lethal physical attacks and possibly including a car bomb at the D.C. law firm office where these ACLU lawyers work.
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There are zero, zip, nada indications that Holder will enforce the criminal laws on intelligence officer identification confidentiality (See Valerie Plame) on the “John Adams Project” lawyers, prior to any attacks on intelligence personnel & their families that would head off subsequent right wing nut vigilante action.
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AG Holder is too busy placating the Leftie base of the Democratic Party with the CIA interrogation witch hunt those “John Adams Project” lawyers are leading.
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Holder & Obama’s failure to publically enforce laws which protect the community invites private violence to protect the community.
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That is the road to hell for an American version of the Spanish Civil War.
Spanish Civil War??? That is not even funny.
Kathie,
I agree with your statements, except for the fact that Obama is not the decisionmaker here. The decision on whether or not to investigate and/or prosecute rests solely with Holder. As head of the DOJ, by law he is required to make that determination independent of the White House or any other political bodies. I don’t agree with the decision to limit it to CIA officers since they were carrying out orders and were attempting to comply with the legal directives they were given, but I guess we shall see how high up the ranks this eventually gets.
What I’m wondering is where are Bush, Cheney, and the other senior officials who created and blessed this program? Why aren’t they out there publically saying that they authorized this program and they are the ones who should be judged? Protect these CIA agents and throw the gaunlet down to come after them if they truly believe the program was legal. I’ll tell you why they won’t – they are cowards. The same reason so many of them dodged military service. Mark my words – they will let these CIA officers go down in flames and not say anything purely to protect their asses. Just like Cheney did to Libby – let him take the hit for lying to cover up Cheney’s missteps and then blame it on someone else.
Bush/Cheney don’t have to go out anywhere and say anything. Any body who has lived in this country knows that the President is responsible for protecting us. It is a constitutional mandate. To DEFEND AND PROTECT. And if you think for one moment that Obama hasn’t given the go ahead to prosecute the CIA officers you are not thinking clearly. Not interfering is very different then giving the go ahead or not. Holder is in Obama’s pocket. You don’t think that Obama would let Holder bring down his Presidency do you?
If Holder believes that EIT’s are illegal then prosecute those who authorized them or shut up. But first you need to prove that EIT’s are illegal. But Obama and his radicals don’t have the balls to do this right, they only know how to intimidate the little guys and ruin them in the process and possibly get them and their families killed. Aren’t they just so clever? Does anybody on the left ever look at things in context or do they always take a snippet and blow it up to suit a political purpose.
Mark N,
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Holder’s partisan justice is taking us there.
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See:
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http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/84166/
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/27/richardson-investigation-killed-washington/?test=latestnews
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on the spiking of the NM Gov Bill Richardson (D) “pay for play” criminal probe by the Holder Justice Department.
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I repeat: Failure to publically enforce laws which protect the community invites private violence to protect the community.
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The Left will not give up it’s nutballs or it’s criminally corrupt. It would rather die than do so.
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The Right does give up its nuts and criminals…for now.
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Just what do you think happens to our nation when the Right sees “Federal Justice” as just a tool of oppression by the Left, and not as the Law?
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Read books on the politics that kicked off the Spanish Civil War or the fal of the late Roman Republic. The current parallels are scary.
Trent:
I know history; that is why the reference to the Spanish Civil War of the 20th Century is not funny.
Why would you want us (USA) to experience the same horror.
MarkN,
Seeing horror coming is not advocating it’s arrival.
A lot of people saw the sectarian divisions that lead to America’s slave holders rebellion.
The Missouri Compromise was just one example of how the political class moved to put off the day of the revolt.
We still had bleeding Kansas and we still had the Civil War.
The forces we all see at work are deeply cultural and political. Unless we are very lucky, Spain’s or Rome’s fate will be our own.
MarkN,
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Saying that seeing evil is being evil is a form of “Magical thinking.”
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“Magical Thinking” that the various Nutters use all the time.
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The peoblem here isn’t talking about evil. It is the comission of evil.
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See below:
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_and_the_thugs.html
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Early last fall, an old friend of mine and long-time volunteer for Republican women’s associations, called me from her home in Orlando, Florida. She was quite shaken. She had just returned from what was intended to be a small, quiet McCain support outing, just like the ones she had been dutifully attending for 30 years. The small group of middle-aged homemakers took their little signs to an approved street corner, carried their small American flags and assembled to do their hour’s vote-for-our-guy walk before heading off to the nearest coffee shop to divvy up coming-week duties of stuffing envelopes and making phone calls.
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But something had changed between the last election and 2008. My friend told of a morning from hell, in which the women were rudely accosted on the street by young male thugs (her word), who called them “c*nts,” “whitey whores” and “stupid bitches.” These young males got in their faces and jostled them with angry shoves. My friend said that in all the years she had been doing just this simple patriotic activity, she had never had such a frightening experience. It was to be the first of several, which have left her shaken to this day.
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Honestly, I never thought I would live to see the day when a president one-upped Nixon. But this Obama thuggery gets worse by the day and our once-valiant mainstream press just yawns and accuses the innocent.
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Even Richard Nixon never, as far as we know, went so far as to orchestrate manufactured news, advise his supporters to “get in their faces” or use taxpayer dollars to promote political causes.
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What in the world is this Country coming to?