Nov 25 2006
Democrats Face Test In Iraq
The terrorists and insurgents are acting as I and many predicted, they are becoming much more violent as they try to make sure the Democrats make good on their promise and surrender Iraq to Al Qaeda. The problem for the terrorists and insurgents is the American people will not accept handing Iraq over to the Islamo Fascists. The Democrats claimed our departure would force the Iraq government to stand up to their task (as if they weren’t doing so???). So here is the result of Democrat promises to date on Iraq – bloodsher and disorder as the terrorists plan for the Democrats to fulfill both the dreams of liberals and terrrorists allike:
The Bush administration charged yesterday that the escalating violence in Iraq committed by both Shiites and Sunnis over the past two days is a “brazen effort” to bring down the fragile government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
The White House also said President Bush has no intention of backing out of talks next week with the Iraqi leader, despite threats yesterday from a powerful Shiite militia to pull out of the government if Maliki goes ahead with the meeting. The talks, set for Thursday in Amman, Jordan, have suddenly taken on the air of a crisis summit, as Iraq slides closer to all-out civil war.
The Democrats never said they would pull out so the country COULD devolve into bloody civil war and the democratically elected government would be overthrown. There was no election promise to accelerate the fall of Iraq. The truth is the current hope for US surrender can be and should be laid at the feet of the Democrats here in the US who gave the world the impression they would run from the Islamo-Fascists if elected. Sadly there are enough ignorant people across the world who actually believed the Democrats. Or at least believed they had the power and will to force a surrender on Bush. But the Democrats have neither will, nor power nor intentions of surrendering. They made things worse and now they will be held accountable.
As unfair as it seems, the current situation is now owned by Bush and the Democrats. They have sufficient political power right now to start to form the debate and set the expectations. They are doing nothing. They are like deer in the headlights. They won, and as predicted, they have no clue what to do right now.
Bush is right, as is Maliki. If we show no sign of folding (got that Dems – no sign, as in unified front, as in one American policy, as in standing shoulder to shoulder with our men and women in harms way, were politics should end at the shoreline of our country) then the Iraqis will hold firm. They will only crumble if the US is sure to depart. Al Qaeda is on the verge of losing its fantasy Capitol City of their Modern Caliphate – Ramadi, Iraq. And they hope and optimism now flowing through the insurgents can be squashed easily by Democrats coming out and standing firm that they will not allow Iraq’s democracy to fail from a simple lack of will. Yes, if things blow out of control that is one thing. But simply having to stand up and say “we will support the democratically elected government of Iraq as it gains control of the entire nation” is not a huge price to pay to actually crush the Islamo Fascist movement. Is it Dems? You won’t even have to institute a draft to be seen as taking a winning position. These are just words, I am sure Dems can find the stamina to get past the gag-reflex and spit them out with some modicum of conviction. One thing dems are good at is spitting out words with faux conviction!
One other thing to keep in mind with all great wars – the fighting and dying hit a fevered pitch right when the pivotal test of wills is occurring. As with WW II and the Battle of The Bulge, which was Hitler’s last gasp, the death tolls during these periods can be the most intense of the entire war (see my previous post here). This has been true throughout time – from the Battle at Antietem in the civil war to the Road To Iraq in Gulf War I (where there was a massive killing of the Iraqi’s as they feld Kuwait) there fighting hits a fevered pitch right at the point the final outcome is decided. If we are at that point we simply need to stand firm and behind the less than one year old Maliki government. And if the Maliki government survives this test, it will be stable for quite some time to come. The press and the left is simply panicking (or some who are rejoicing in the bloodshed). Don’t mind them, they never grasped the situation and understood how to succeed.
Update: Something to consider from Pierre Legrand concerning the common threat we all face and how to understand what it represents. And it represents this question: Is America still ascending through history – or are we declining?
Ken,
I can’t take this anymore. American Empire? You can’t be serious! The last true empire to exist on Earth was the Ottoman Empire. It’s strange you should bring it up, too, because that’s what we’re fighting now in the Middle East. I don’t what you learned in your undergraduate history class, but Arab nationalism is directly descended from the Turks and their bloody empire (well known, but look here http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/OTTOMAN/OTTOMAN1.HTM).
If you look deep enough (even in liberal publications like the New York Times), you’d know that Turkey’s recent acquisition of leadership positions throughout the Middle East (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/turkey/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) should make everyone nervous. Do you think that the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium 210 is a coincidence? Besides the United States, what other country has this technology? Hint: http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=105&sid=986268.
As far as the link between Saddam and al Qaeda, even Senator Levin has come around on that issue (http://www.nysun.com/article/44054?page_no=1).
We’re not the imperialists, Ken. That’s why (excluding several years in the mid-1890’s) the U.S. has never truly “occupied†foreign soil. It’s all smoke and mirrors. The Founding Fathers of this nation understood the link between our freedom and fighting threats abroad. Through their own writings, we know that both Jefferson and Madison understood this. Hell, the U.S.-Mexican War of 1846-48 can be looked at as a kind of preemptive war.
Sorry to have to point out your ignorance, Ken, but you asked for it.
IVEHADIT, this is one of my favorite quotes from any time in our history, Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech. This is how I would describe the American Spirit. Rosie was way ahead of his time. This is positive, uplifting inspirational speech. Churchill is another one of my favorites. “Democracy is the worst form of government,…..except all those other forms of government. Capitalism is the uneven distribution of wealth, socialism is the equal distribution of misery.”
Ken,
I can’t take this anymore. American Empire? You can’t be serious! The last true empire to exist on Earth was the Ottoman Empire. It’s strange you should bring it up, too, because that’s what we’re fighting now in the Middle East. I don’t what you learned in your undergraduate history class, but Arab nationalism is directly descended from the Turks and their bloody empire (well known, but look here http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/OTTOMAN/OTTOMAN1.HTM).
If you look deep enough (even in liberal publications like the New York Times), you’d know that Turkey’s recent acquisition of leadership positions throughout the Middle East (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/turkey/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) should make everyone nervous. Do you think that the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium 210 is a coincidence? Besides the United States, what other country has this technology? Hint: http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=105&sid=986268.
Cochino, Ken says the US building military bases is “the empire”. He’s out of touch with realism. He has no concept of Empire.
Yes, Bikerken, it is the American spirit defined…And I, too, love the Churchill quote as I am a big supporter of capitalism as a great tool for the development of human potential…unlike any other in the world.
Ken is one of those people who parrot the beliefs and neuroses of other people. He is so off the wall he seems a member of multiple nut wings. I have never made up my mind as to what type of person he is. Is he a far right wing supporter of Buchanan or is he a far left wing supporter of Chomsky? Or does he come under the aegis of the line where both meet in the far, far hemisphere? He could be either or all of these things or nothing at all. He could be just a kid who likes to throw idiotic sayings out to see what results he comes up with. Just because he says he is an “American Firster Buchanan supporter” doesnt mean he really is. Just because he says he is an American on this site with the name of Ken doesn’t really mean he is this person. The desire for America to lose this war and his ardent support of the Palestinians suggests he might be one of them. His absolute hatred of Israel suggests the same thing. I have carefully read not the content of his posts but the words and phrases he uses. He has either taken their cause to his heart so much that he parrots their phrases so emphatically or he is a liberal American traitor. I don’tknow what he is and I don’t care. I have heard enough of his insensitive rantings and his hatred of American good will. From now on I shall scroll through all his babblings as if they are not there. I might as well they make no sense anyway.
Ken does strike me as one of those people who’s gone so far, far, far right that he’s collided with the far, far, far left on the far side of the moon. Beyond the whole “it’s going to be wheeee fun seeing America getting her blistered backside handed to her by those nations she’s been tormenting and picking on” shtick, it’s hard to figure out where he stands on the spectrum or what he actually wants (not that I really care). I guess he’s one of those who is so disillusioned with life that he surfs the Net in order to pick virtual fights with people.
I’ve already gotten into the habit of scrolling past him most of the time. When the post I’m reading is basically antagonistic to AJ or his readers, I immediately scroll down to see the name at the bottom, and if it’s “Ken,” I just start reading the next post. I really don’t need the extra jolt to my blood pressure, if you know what I’m saying. 🙂
Cochino
The Turks have more right to influence Middle East politics than the US does–it is ITS domain. Bitter because the Turks refused the evil empire entry to Iraq from their land?
Your link regards Levin in no way says he agrees with a Saddam-
al Qaeda link, indeed he is trying (purportedly, despite his own
ethnic sympathy for Israel) to get at the traitor Feith’s lies
on the matter. Feith is a Jew who has actually advocated Israel
expel Palestinians en masse. He has no business being
involved in American politics.
http://www.amazon.com/Sorrows-Empire-Militarism-Republic-American/dp/0805070044
Cochino-you’re a unlettered simpleton-here above is but one Historian treatise defining the American Ampire. You might also consult Buchanan’s book “A Republic Not an Empire” and Bacevich’s
“The New American Militarism” both conservative tomes
against the evil empire.
Ive had it
You’re a big fan of Churchill’s capitalist advocacy? It and the war didn’t save the British Empire for him did it, despite his assurances.
Indeed Irving and others show how he could ahve come to terms
with Hitler and saved his Empire, which Hitler had no wish to
dismantle.
Barbara
I am a conservative America Firster who occasionally allies with
“Left” America Firsters. Charles Lindbergh was a conservative
America Firster before the unnecessary second world war, who
allied with, among others, Socialist Norman Thomas, who also
put America First in opposing that war.
Ken, I find it remarkable that you continue the same crap over and over that the British Empire crumbled under Churchill but you can’t name even one, just one country that left the empire under Churchill. Come on Ken, give it a try. It doesn’t hurt you to be wrong, it’s normal.
See Cochino, when Ken can’t attack the message, he attacks the messenger. That’s all the time. 100% certifiable.
You might also take note that Ken considers a ‘military base’ to be a country for the sake of being able to say Empire.
Don’t bother to look up any of his links to prove his point. They are all to the far fringe of the looney left. That includes Buchanan, whom ken likes to call a ‘conservative’ just so he can claim someone on the right does the same. Buchanan, Kristol, Will, all formerly conservative commentators. Once you leave the right, you’re not on the right any more. Bacevich is “a self-professed conservative” which is interpreted in English as “progressive” (interpret formerly communist) category. He is at Boston Univ, a hotbed of liberalism and even if you are to the right of most of their Profs, you could still easily be on the looney left.
That’s the type person Ken uses to verify his “truths”
All the left loonies refer regularly to the number of Military bases the US has. I haven’t seen a count of total bases, but I would willing to bet the moon that there are a lot fewer today than there were 20 years ago.
Quoting liberal rags as authorities won’t wash.
Ken, I know you won’t understand this. But, NO ONE put America First by opposing the second world war.
Had we not gotten involved against Japan or Germany, you would have speaking one of those languages today.
As I said, I don’t expect you to understand that
All posters,
Whoa! Sorry about the repeating of the posts. I’m not sure what happened last night.
Ken,
I was trying to do you a favor with that post. I was trying to show you how your posts read to the average person here. For the record, my post was absolute gibberish, through and through. I even threw in some links, claiming they cited certain things, when I knew they didn’t. I thought you’d understand this and take it to heart, but alas . . . .
What I didn’t expect was for you to take it seriously and reply. I’ve come to the realization that you can’t tell utter crap from reality. I mean, come on! The part on Turkey is laughable on its face! You either willfully ignored that, or (more likely) you didn’t realize it. Either way, it makes your posts a bit suspect, don’t you think?
Oh, and I like the “Feith is a Jew . . .†part. Sometimes it’s the little asides people make that are more revealing than what they say directly.
I’m new around here, and I don’t want to speak out of turn. I know that AJ likes to keep things civil around here, and I may be banned for this post. But you’re an idiot. And a jerk. You know just enough history to make a total ass of yourself. I don’t know why people at this site keep responding to you. You either can’t or won’t keep a logical train of thought. Either way, it doesn’t make you very well suited for this kind of exchange.
Cochino, you’re right, as of this post, I won’t be responding to Ken any more. It’s a total waste of time
http://toryanarchist.wordpress.com/2006/11/27/more-unpatriotic-conservatives/
I suggest you unlettered heathens who believe your militarist police state advocacy is “conservative” understand what “Mr. Conservative”
that is, Robert Taft ,rejected your seminal fascism, shown in the above link.
For Enforcement especially should understand Taft was THE defining conservative of his time and that FE is but an unlettered
dunce regards political ideology.
For Enforcement
Buchanan corrects your foolishness with theis quote from “A Republic Not an Empire”
“If there had been a maximum point of peril for America in the war in Europe, it was the summer of 1940, after France had been overrun and England seemed about to be invaded, with the possible scuttling or loss of the British fleet. But after the Royal Air Force won the Battle of Britain, the German invasion threat was history. If Goering’s Luftwaffe could not achieve air supremacy over the Channel, how was it going to achieve it over the Atlantic? If Hitler could not put a soldier in England in the fall of 1940, the notion that he could invade the Western Hemisphere-with no surface ships to engage the United States and British fleets and the U.S. airpower dominant in the west Atlantic-was preposterous. -Pat Buchanan (A Republic, Not an Empire) “
All posters,
I want to apologize for my post from last night. It’s not really my style to misrepresent myself in a post. Ken was just really getting under my skin. I had to expose his ignorance and stupidity. I mean, I find my teeth grinding when I see his use of Pat Buchanan as a primary historical source. I was hoping he’d be a little more introspective, but to no avail. And he’s really starting to rant, now. It’s getting ugly.
Cochino,
Ken is naive and apparently a bit insecure – just ignore him. There are plenty of smart people to talk to here.
Cochino
I could have listed historians such as Harry Elmer Barnes
and David Irving who say the same thing as Buchanan Historians
who tell the truth about world war Two tend to be marginalized
so as not have the high name recognition Buchanan does.
At any rate, Strata fans who wish to retain the mythical noble America paradigm about these matters are left to cry in their bitter “Europe doesn’t appreciate us anymore” tears while
American Empire continues its popular (in every part of the
world other than here) decline.