Nov 29 2006

Two New Sites Were Contaminated?

I posted earlier that the two latest sites suspected of contamination were clean (the Sheraton Park Lane and 58 Grosvenor Street), which cleaned up the timeline and made it possible for the Sushi Bar where Litvinenko met Scaramelle to be the original source of the contamination. Well now it seems there are reports going the other way and contamination was indeed found at those two sites, now making it highly unlikely the contamination originated at the Sushi Bar (not enough time from the Sushi Bar to fit in these two sites and a visit to Berezovsky’s office). The time line is key to unravel the trail. Stay tuned – more later this evening.

40 responses so far

40 Responses to “Two New Sites Were Contaminated?”

  1. kathie says:

    Also look specifically at 2 Russian men. Planes from Russia to England.

  2. clarice says:

    FNC: The radiation found on the planes was polonium..Authorities interested in 2 Russians who met with Litvinenko in the Millenium Hotel and have returned to Russia. One was a former KGB agent.

    33k passengers may be affected though the radiation on these planes is very low level.

    The UK is looking at flights into London and out of London (presumably to Russia). Two of the planes arrived in London from Athens and Vienna and low levels of polonium contamination were found on them. The third came from Moscow , is back in Moscow and has not yet been checked.

  3. Snapple says:

    Radio Free Liberty says that traces of polonium were in Berezovsky’s office and in his car, which I think it says was used to take Litvinenko to the hospital.

    It is is Russian, which I read but not perfectly. But the source is American.

    http://www.svobodanews.ru/Article/2006/11/28/20061128102842333.html

    The English homepage is http://www.rferl.org/

  4. Snapple says:

    The Brits gave this Litvinenko asylum. People who work for the Russian intelligence would have to cooperate with the Brits to get that. The Brits made made this guy a citizen.

    I wonder if he might have been really tipping off the Brits about nuclear trafficking and someone
    fould out and killed him.

  5. Snapple says:

    It seems that Berezovsky’s office and a nearby security company connected to him was also sealed up.

    A Russian paper Kommersant says:

    http://www.kommersant.com/p725724/r_530/Alexander_Litvinenko/
    “British mass media, including The Times, suspect that polonium-210 might have been sent to London by diplomatic mail from Russia, and that employee of Russian consulate in London Anatoly Kirov might have been involved. He arose suspicions first of all because his name was repeatedly mentioned by Litvinenko, who claimed that the diplomat is the intelligence officer spying on him. “Alexander said that Anatoly Kirov controls agent network which is spying on us: Boris Berezovsky, Akhmed Zakaev, Alexander Litvinenko, and me,” said Goldfarb. Besides, it turned out that Kirov graduated from Moscow Mining Institute in late 1970s with the diploma of mining engineer-physicist. Theoretically, he could have acquired the skills of working with radioactive chemicals back then.”

    I don’t know who owns Kommersant.

  6. crosspatch says:

    I don’t think the Russians are so stupid. What you are saying, Snapple, is that you suspect that he was tipping off the Brits to Russian nuclear traffic so they used a nuclear poison and left a dirty trail all the way back to Moscow?

    Gee, that’s convenient.

    Too convenient.

  7. crosspatch says:

    If the Russians really did this, they have sunk to a level of incompetence that would make Putin purge the services. There are a bazillion ways of getting rid of someone. If you are afraid he is revealing traffic in stolen nuclear goods you don’t use stolen nuclear goods to kill him and thereby confirm what you suspect he has been telling the Brits. In other words, by their very action they would have confirmed beyond any doubt what they would be attempting to stop from being exposed. It doesn’t make any sense. This was a very dirty operation. A professional hit would have been a lot cleaner. It is either a terrorist operation or an accidental exposure. An intelligence service would not have left a trail of polonium all the way back to their lair and someone who, for example, is worried that they are being ratted out for traffic in cocaine wouldn’t kill the rat with an overdose of cocaine and thereby confirm the rats information and then leave a trail of cocaine all the way back home. Stupid. Too stupid to be real.

  8. Lizarde1 says:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2478947,00.html It is understood that police have identified a man they wish to question who was staying at a London hotel, having flown from Moscow at the time that Mr Litvinenko, 43, fell ill.

    One possibility being studied was that the poisoner — or his accomplices — may have been exposed to polonium themselves. It is believed the poisoner could have arrived in London up to a week before Mr Litvinenko was taken ill.

    Police have been trying to establish where the polonium 210 came from and have studied passenger lists on flights to and from Moscow. Two of the Russians Mr Litvinenko met on the November 1, the day he fell ill, had only recently arrived from Moscow.

    Both men have denied being involved in any plot and tests on them have shown no contamination.

  9. topsecretk9@AJ says:

    –he was tipping off the Brits to Russian nuclear traffic so they used a nuclear poison and left a dirty trail all the way back to Moscow?–

    Unless, he was tipping them off to other nuke smuggling groups – outside of Russian control – and so they set this up to lead back to the Russian Gov’t to start some diplomatic problem in order to escape detection.

    Of course that is my pet theory, fueled by wild imagination ;-::

  10. crosspatch says:

    Who profits?

    I say to keep an eye on the Chechens.

  11. Snapple says:

    That’s a good point.

    The Russians can be deliberately crude and brazen when they want to make a point.

  12. topsecretk9@AJ says:

    CrossP.

    I am and I think Chechnya is most likely…still can’t let go of my wild theory though.

  13. For Enforcement says:

    Does anyone know where Iran is obtaining their Uranium? There is not too many sources so I guess it is public knowledge. I just haven’t heard

  14. Lizarde1 says:

    It’s looking like they are fingering Lugovoy – just a guess

  15. crosspatch says:

    Iran has large deposits of domestic uranium. They have also apparently been working deals with the Islamic Courts in Somalia for uranium in exchange for weapons and training. Uranium is the primary natural resource of Somalia and is why what is going on there is so important to so many people.

  16. crosspatch says:

    Iran has large deposits of domestic uranium. They have also apparently been working deals with in Somalia for uranium in exchange for weapons and training. Uranium is the primary natural resource of Somalia and is why what is going on there is so important to so many people.

  17. crosspatch says:

    Iran has significant domestic resources of uranium and has also reportedly been trying to get some from Somalian too.

  18. topsecretk9@AJ says:

    –Does anyone know where Iran is obtaining their Uranium?–

    For Enforce.

    I do know that Iran does have it’s own source within Iran for Uranium. How much they can produce on their own I don’t know, but a UN study(?) – report was recently released that alledged Iran was trading arms/help with Somalia for Uranium.

  19. crosspatch says:

    Sorry for the multiple posts. I thought maybe something was goofed with my posting (as sometimes the software here doesn’t like certain combinations of things, but usually just certain chars in URLs) and I tried several different ways to say the same thing.

  20. topsecretk9@AJ says:

    CrossP

    Sometimes my comments don’t show up for a while too. It’s spiratic, so I didn’t get my nose bent ::grin::