Jul 22 2009
Obamacare Losing Support Across The Board, 1/3rd of Dems
Rasmussen shows a 14 point shift in support for Obamacare in only the last month, from a +5% in June to a -9% in late July. But what is even more telling is the partisan breakdown:
There is a huge partisan divide on the health care plan. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Democrats favor it. However, the plan is opposed by 80% of Republicans and 60% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Obama has lost 60% of the independents and 1/3rd of Democrats. If these were votes he would lose in an historic landslide. And that is what has those Democrats running from Obamnacare right now. Very few Democrats in Congress could survive an election with these numbers facing them.
It seems it is either save Obamacare or save the Democrat majorities in Congress (or at least minimize the damage). The Dems get a chance to demonstrate some triage – they can only save one side of the equation right now. Do they want to see another Bill Clinton ride high while they all spend years in the minority? Fool me once ….
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Of course support for the bill is crashing, people are having a chance to READ it.
Imagine an “End Of Life” order comes down from the government. Yes, the government will be able to issue an “End Of Life” ORDER according to this bill. Now what if it is a mistake? When if it was meant for the unconscious patient with the same name in a hospital of the same name in a different city? But never fear … the government NEVER makes paperwork errors! And all government data entry is always 100% perfect every time! And here you are in an induced coma recovering from an auto accident when the End Of Life ORDER comes in to the hospital and the doctor on shift carries it out.
I do not EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES want “insurance” where the carrier has the power to “terminate” me when it is no longer in their financial interest to keep me alive. That is what this bill is. Cost savings by KILLING people when they become a burden.
Doctors Wage War Against Obama’s Health Care Overhaul
(call the Health Care bill the “ruination of medicine.”)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/22/doctors-wage-war-obamas-health-care-overhaul/
Obama to Dems wavering on health care: “You’re going to destroy my presidency”
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/22/obama-to-dems-wavering-on-health-care-youre-going-to-destroy-my-presidency/
Krauthammer says Obama will get something passed. It might well be watered down and harmless, but something will have to pass. If not Obama is toast. So says Krauthammer.
For a look at the future of government run health care just go visit your local state prison and ask the inmates how they like it. But remember if it passes it will ease the unemployment problem as the need for doctors and nurses will expand and like all other government programs, mediocrity will rule the day. Hey if you can repair a jet engine surely you can learn how to remove a spleen. Isn’t this guy just brilliant, we earthlings don’t have the brain capacity to see how all this fits together.
Terrye, if he will back off his demand for a public plan and adopt some of the cost cutting, free market reforms he could easily get something passed – but he will have to stand up to the left wing of his party to do that. The left will be enraged if there is no public plan, but paying for the public plan is what’s killing the thing because the country simply can’t afford it.
I don’t think he has the guts to do that – I think underneath it all, he is an extraordinarily weak leader unable to stand up to anyone whose support he needs. But time will tell.
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I saw this post at Hot Air. I guess this is what Guy was talking about when he said something about people having a heart.
WWS:
I don’t know what he will do. It depends on how badly he wants something to pass.
That link on my 5:32 post did not work. Let me try again, it is an interesting story, about Medicare Advantage.
I think he’s the most hard core, far left idealogue ever to sit in the oval office, and that he will be absolutely unwilling to ever throw the far left overboard, which is what he would have to do in order to succeed.
Ironically, what made Bill Clinton successful was that deep down he never cared about anyone other than himself. He would throw anyone and anything overboard as long as he could come out ahead, and that made him willing to work with the Republican Congress. Obama is different, Obama is the True Believer, and Obama will choose failure over compromise.
At least that is my prediction.
Some just don’t get it. The hard Left, not just Obama will pull out all stops to get their agenda pass, even if it means losing the House. This is their best chance to get it done. Sarah Palin understand this about the LEFT & has the will to stand up against them, to take them on & that is why they want to destroy her.
Change of topic; but two interesting polls:
Specter’s lead over Toomey (PA) vanishes (now tied)
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1351&What=&strArea=;&strTime=0
Who do “moderate Republicans” like in the GOP field? (I’ll give you a clue. It starts with “P” and ends with “alin”.
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60043
oops. Correct link to “Moderate Republicans and the GOP field” is:
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/07/moderates-republicans-and-gop-field.html
If the Democrats manage to shove this thing down our throats, is there anyway it can be done away with?
Something I started on another blog but thought I might expand on here:
P=Patient, D=Doctor
P: Hello, who are you?
D: I am your doctor and I am here to carry out your end of life order.
P: I never consented to any “end of life” order!
D: Yes you did, I have the paperwork right here.
P: Well, you must be mistaken, I did no such thing. In any case, note that I have changed my mind.
D: There is no “changed mind” box on the form, I am afraid I will have to carry out the order as you requested.
P: But I never requested it!
D: Yes you did, I have it right here. It also says you suffer from dementia and are delusional ….
When the law allows the government to begin killing people for whatever reason, there are going to be mistakes made. There are going to be instances of the wrong person being killed. Maybe a patient dies of natural causes and someone else is moved into the room, doctor on shift sees the order and carries it out on the wrong person. Whatever. Mistakes WILL be made. Heck, we have jury trials and still end up killing the wrong person sometimes. You think government or hospital paperwork is always 100% accurate? Think people don’t make mistakes? Wrong room, wrong bed, similar name … misspelled name … fake order .. whatever.
When you start allowing hospitals to kill people according to government paperwork, mistakes are going to be made. We have to ask ourselves if we are prepared for that and if the “benefit” outweighs the potential tragedy.
Cross has the correct focus of this whole argument. The ability of our gov.’t to kill us in the name of health/money/orders/younameit.
When your gov.’t can kill you in the name of health then we are truly doomed as a nation. I don’t want it nor did I vote for it if I voted for BO. (He campaigned as a moderate). I suspect many others whom did vote for BO feel the same now as he is exposed as a Socialist in Emperor’s Clothes for all of us to see.
I am watching The Evil Won attacking Pugs and then when called on it, saying he is not blaming them. Yeah.
I say Evil because that is exactly what this killing field of the old and sick involves. So some of the Pugs did not like Bush’s compassion. Please contrast his attitude towards the old and sick with this horrible thing in the WH. Nope. I am through thinking of that thing as my President. Anyone that intends to pay on the backs of the disabled, old and sick is Evil.
Anyone understand how Hitler loaded those people on trains without a fight? Same group supported this thing with votes.
He is once again MOANING about what he inherited. All this debt is Bush’s fault.
Pug Congress should be out in force pointing out that he could not have inherited Bush’s mess because the Congress has been in the hands of DIMS since 2006.
Now he points out that AARP has endorsed this. Yep. Loading onto the trains.
OK, time to crank the phones up tomorrow, BIG TIME.
Here are the senators to call! “Vote No to obama’s healthcare bill”
Montana – Baucus and Tester-202-224-2651; 202-224-2644
North Dakota – Dorgan and Conrad 202-224-2551; 202-224-2043
South Dakota – Johnson 202-224-5842
Nebraska – Nelson 202-224-6551
Arkansas – Pryor and Lincoln-202-224-2353; 202-224-4843
Louisiana – Landrieu- 202-224-5824
North Carolina – Hagan 202-22-6342
Indiana – Bayh-202-224-5623
Connecticut – Lieberman 202-224-4041
Maine – Snow and Collins -Snow:202-224-5344; 202-224-2523
It doesn’t take long to do this!
ivehadit, senators only pay attention to calls from their own state’s area codes, everything else is “noise”.
owl:
Yes, it is getting oil, especially considering the fact that Obama and his party have been controlling Congress for the last two years as well as the fact that he was the one who signed that budget, not Bush. They just kept passing spending resolutions until Obama took office and then sent the budget to him.
These guys want all the power and none of the responsibility.
THREE QUARTERS OF A TRILLION DOLLARS WILL COME FROM MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. How can that be? Does anyone have the answers?
O’Rielly believes that Obama’s numbers will go back up to 60 points tomorrow.
Believe it?
“O’Rielly believes that Obama’s numbers will go back up to 60 points tomorrow.”
O’Reilly is a couple of nuggets short of a happy meal.
No, you two have got that wrong. O’Rielly thinks that there will be 60% against the plan tomorrow, now 55%, because he said nothing tonight.
lurker:
I don’t think that many people even watched this thing.
Kathie, that makes sense!
Fox News talked about how docile that press was. Weird.
Didn’t watch all of the presser. Just what Fox News previewed.
Funny how sarcastic Charles Krauthammer was in his comments about Obama. He just talked about Obama’s “charisma”.
Could you imagine if you were Sarah Palin, all we had was government health care, and you are running against Obama. Imagine the leaks of your most intimate medical details.
I don’t WANT the government knowing everything about me.
Hi Cross! yes the senators will pay more attention to their own, but in this day and age of being able to funnel money directly to campaigns across the country, calling is important. $$$!
I donated to several candidates NOT in my home state in ‘06, btw.
I donate to campaigns out of state but I don’t expect them to listen to me when I complain. Pelosi, for example, answers only to the people in her district. Her district, in effect, is running the House of Representatives. She is going to fulfill that position in order to please her constituents and keep her job. So we have a national position being run by San Francisco values.
Speaker of the House should be a position that rotates. No person should ever be allowed to serve more than one consecutive term in that position. I wouldn’t put any limits on how many terms but you just wouldn’t be able to serve more than one in a row.
Another thing the bill does is put in racial preferences for medical training.
You too can possibly have a government assigned wise Latino Doctor.
And nobody asked the question of racial preferences?
Anyone notice a bill passed by the House yesterday regarding the student loans?
Soon all student loans come directly from the government requiring the student to put in ten years worth of government service (forced volunteerism) of their choice….Red Cross or Americorps. After ten years, the student loan will be cleared free of debt.
The government will decide which college, which degree, and so on.
If this doesn’t help anyone begin to put all the puzzle pieces together after this, God help them.
Crosspatch, Speaker *Could* rotate except both of our political parties are too gutless to ask for it. There are no constitutional requirements for the speaker’s position, other than that it be a sitting congressman and that he or she be chosen by the current sitting Congress.
So Congress has the authority to do whatever they want with it.