Comments on: Congressional Liberals Hell Bent On Self Destruction http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016 High Flying Political Debate Thu, 24 May 2012 05:55:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Toes192 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479232 Toes192 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:57:58 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479232 Aj...I am going to suggest you try out the term... . "Responsible conservatives" . once in awhile instead of bashing "true conservatives" all the time... Aj…I am going to suggest you try out the term…
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“Responsible conservatives”
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once in awhile instead of bashing “true conservatives” all the time…

]]> By: ama055131 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479227 ama055131 Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:10:25 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479227 I really wanted to comment 2 days ago unfortunately due to a family health problem this is the first time I have had the time. The Blue Dogs of today are not the B.Dogs of 30 years ago, they won their seats in Rep. areas trying to sound like they are conservative alternatives to republicans. It was a stategy that the Dem. party used in the 2006 and 2008 cycle while the republican party was shooting themselfs in the foot with very unpopular messages to their constituents. I unfortunately don't feel that they are honest enough or really believe that they are center or center right as they proclaim and will buckle with liberal brethren. I really wanted to comment 2 days ago unfortunately due to a family health problem this is the first time I have had the time.
The Blue Dogs of today are not the B.Dogs of 30 years ago, they won their seats in Rep. areas trying to sound like they are conservative alternatives to republicans. It was a stategy that the Dem. party used in the 2006 and 2008 cycle while the republican party was shooting themselfs in the foot with very unpopular messages to their constituents. I unfortunately don’t feel that they are honest enough or really believe that they are center or center right as they proclaim and will buckle with liberal brethren.

]]> By: Frogg http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479076 Frogg Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:35:01 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479076 There is another shocking poll out there. Rasmussen has Obama's overall approval at 49% today in their three day rolling average. There is another shocking poll out there. Rasmussen has Obama’s overall approval at 49% today in their three day rolling average.

]]> By: Frogg http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479074 Frogg Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:33:40 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479074 I would give some credit to the conservative leadership for keeping the Republicans united against the outrageous spending plans coming out of Congress these days. But, honestly, the only thing that can stop this is the Blue Dogs. I would give credit to the grassroots movement that keeps pressure on them mostly for that. I hope they don't faulter. I think it was a bad move by Pelosi/Waxman to tell the Blue Dogs to roll over and play dead. I hope they continue to stand on their principle. Conservatives can reach compromise with the Blue Dogs as easily as moderate Republican's can. Let's hope Pelosi/Waxman/Obama don't twist their arms too much. They gave in on too many other issues they once stood up against. The only thing stronger than the liberal arm twisting to keep the Blue Dogs in line......is the voices they hear back home in the town hall meetings and tea parties. So, if you live in their districts.....keep up the pressure/support of the Blue dogs. I would give some credit to the conservative leadership for keeping the Republicans united against the outrageous spending plans coming out of Congress these days. But, honestly, the only thing that can stop this is the Blue Dogs. I would give credit to the grassroots movement that keeps pressure on them mostly for that. I hope they don’t faulter. I think it was a bad move by Pelosi/Waxman to tell the Blue Dogs to roll over and play dead. I hope they continue to stand on their principle. Conservatives can reach compromise with the Blue Dogs as easily as moderate Republican’s can. Let’s hope Pelosi/Waxman/Obama don’t twist their arms too much. They gave in on too many other issues they once stood up against. The only thing stronger than the liberal arm twisting to keep the Blue Dogs in line……is the voices they hear back home in the town hall meetings and tea parties. So, if you live in their districts…..keep up the pressure/support of the Blue dogs.

]]> By: COACHEP » Blog Archive » Posts about Pelosi as of July 24, 2009 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479066 COACHEP » Blog Archive » Posts about Pelosi as of July 24, 2009 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:51:43 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479066 [...] but now they’re trying to strong-arm and deceive the moderate members of their own party. Congressional Liberals Hell Bent On Self Destruction - strata-sphere.com 07/24/2009 Before I get into the lemming-like actions of the congressional [...] [...] but now they’re trying to strong-arm and deceive the moderate members of their own party. Congressional Liberals Hell Bent On Self Destruction – strata-sphere.com 07/24/2009 Before I get into the lemming-like actions of the congressional [...]

]]> By: lacegrl130 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479065 lacegrl130 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:24:55 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479065 Yes, Cross - the media only wanted to use the soldiers as pawns to ruin George Bush. Now, the war must be ignored, lest it draw attention to the festering maggot heap that is terrorism, umm sorry, man caused disaster participants... The echo chamber that Pelosi and Waxman inhabit is going to be their undoing, I hope. I have become a veritable John the Baptist, proselytizing to anyone who will listen about what this plan will mean. I hand out the Lewin Group report like a Moonie at the airport. I have large parts of my office reading the bill on line all throughout the day. The pressure has to mount and stay at fever pitch until this is defeated. Yes, Cross – the media only wanted to use the soldiers as pawns to ruin George Bush. Now, the war must be ignored, lest it draw attention to the festering maggot heap that is terrorism, umm sorry, man caused disaster participants…

The echo chamber that Pelosi and Waxman inhabit is going to be their undoing, I hope.

I have become a veritable John the Baptist, proselytizing to anyone who will listen about what this plan will mean. I hand out the Lewin Group report like a Moonie at the airport. I have large parts of my office reading the bill on line all throughout the day. The pressure has to mount and stay at fever pitch until this is defeated.

]]> By: crosspatch http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479064 crosspatch Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:04:17 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479064 4 deaths due to hostile fire in Iraq this month, 7 total there. Media is only interested in controversy. If there is no controversy, there will be no coverage. 4 deaths due to hostile fire in Iraq this month, 7 total there. Media is only interested in controversy. If there is no controversy, there will be no coverage.

]]> By: kathie http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479061 kathie Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:25:14 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479061 Did you know that 37 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan so far in the month of July. Also some have have been killed this month in Iraq. Are we still fighting wars? Why is MSM absent? I find it so haunting that we are not recognizing what our American military are doing in these two theater. There are still 200,000 Americans military men and woman engaged. Did you know that 37 Americans have been killed in Afghanistan so far in the month of July. Also some have have been killed this month in Iraq. Are we still fighting wars? Why is MSM absent? I find it so haunting that we are not recognizing what our American military are doing in these two theater. There are still 200,000 Americans military men and woman engaged.

]]> By: WWS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479060 WWS Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:21:26 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479060 The blue dogs look like they're already rolling over tonite. http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/waxman-blue-dogs-brush-aside-healthcare-discord-2009-07-24.html was it all for show? Are they ready to sell out at the drop of a hat? The blue dogs look like they’re already rolling over tonite.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/waxman-blue-dogs-brush-aside-healthcare-discord-2009-07-24.html

was it all for show? Are they ready to sell out at the drop of a hat?

]]> By: kathie http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479059 kathie Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:00:46 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479059 Obama campaigned on three issues, renewable energy toward energy independence, reforming our health care system and education reform. I think it is a little odd that he introduced his education initiative today, $5 billion worth, from the stimulus package, with all the stuff that is going on. It is probably not a one time deal, so more will need to be appropriated. With all Obama's initiatives there is no way that we can pay for them with Clinton level taxation, never mind the need to raise a trillion for health care redo. No wonder the blue dogs are balking. We are in an impossible situation and nothing on the horizon at home or abroad leads me to think that things are getting better any time soon. Obama campaigned on three issues, renewable energy toward energy independence, reforming our health care system and education reform.

I think it is a little odd that he introduced his education initiative today, $5 billion worth, from the stimulus package, with all the stuff that is going on. It is probably not a one time deal, so more will need to be appropriated.

With all Obama’s initiatives there is no way that we can pay for them with Clinton level taxation, never mind the need to raise a trillion for health care redo.

No wonder the blue dogs are balking. We are in an impossible situation and nothing on the horizon at home or abroad leads me to think that things are getting better any time soon.

]]> By: crosspatch http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479057 crosspatch Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:48:49 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479057 And requiring nominations from all parties and one from no party ensures that even if a party had complete control of the legislature, a candidate not of that party would still get nominated. It prevents one party control of the Senate, gives the people a voice, but also returns a voice to the Legislature. And requiring nominations from all parties and one from no party ensures that even if a party had complete control of the legislature, a candidate not of that party would still get nominated. It prevents one party control of the Senate, gives the people a voice, but also returns a voice to the Legislature.

]]> By: WWS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479056 WWS Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:48:20 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479056 Okay, I'll grant that's an interesting point. You're right, they *could* do it that way, and now I see who's standing in the way and who would have to be defeated for it to ever happen. All current political parties. They have a monopoly on the nominating process right now, and that's where things really went wrong. As long as we have powerful political parties, they (and their representatives inside the various legislatures) will continue to assert their power over the system to the detriment of the rest of us. Okay, I’ll grant that’s an interesting point. You’re right, they *could* do it that way, and now I see who’s standing in the way and who would have to be defeated for it to ever happen.

All current political parties. They have a monopoly on the nominating process right now, and that’s where things really went wrong. As long as we have powerful political parties, they (and their representatives inside the various legislatures) will continue to assert their power over the system to the detriment of the rest of us.

]]> By: crosspatch http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479055 crosspatch Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:42:18 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479055 WWS, no, it would NOT require a change to the 17th amendment. That is the entire point. The 17th says the Senators will be elected by the people. It does not specify a nominating procedure. THAT is done in the state constitution. The Senators would still be elected by the people from a field of several potential candidates just as they are now. WWS, no, it would NOT require a change to the 17th amendment. That is the entire point. The 17th says the Senators will be elected by the people. It does not specify a nominating procedure. THAT is done in the state constitution.

The Senators would still be elected by the people from a field of several potential candidates just as they are now.

]]> By: WWS http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479054 WWS Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:36:54 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479054 That's a good plan, Cross, and it's a sad thing that it can never happen. Here's why - to make that change would require repealing the 17th Amendment, which can only be done by another constitutional amendment. But part of passing an amendment is getting 2/3 of the Senate to vote in favor of it before it goes to the states. So we would have to get 2/3 of a group who are winners under the current setup and who will be losers in any new setup to vote in favor of stripping themselves of their power, and more importantly to vote in favor of divesting themselves of their future cash generating potential. What are the odds? I think you know. There's always the constitutional convention route, but nobody seriously ever wants to go that way because what that really means is throwing the entire current constitution overboard and hoping the products of today's educational systems would be just as inspired as Madison and the others were. I think you can guess the odds of that one working out, too. That’s a good plan, Cross, and it’s a sad thing that it can never happen. Here’s why – to make that change would require repealing the 17th Amendment, which can only be done by another constitutional amendment.

But part of passing an amendment is getting 2/3 of the Senate to vote in favor of it before it goes to the states. So we would have to get 2/3 of a group who are winners under the current setup and who will be losers in any new setup to vote in favor of stripping themselves of their power, and more importantly to vote in favor of divesting themselves of their future cash generating potential.

What are the odds? I think you know.

There’s always the constitutional convention route, but nobody seriously ever wants to go that way because what that really means is throwing the entire current constitution overboard and hoping the products of today’s educational systems would be just as inspired as Madison and the others were. I think you can guess the odds of that one working out, too.

]]> By: crosspatch http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10016/comment-page-1#comment-479053 crosspatch Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:20:24 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10016#comment-479053 The state of Texas <a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1504240.html" rel="nofollow">is threatening to ignore any legislation</a>. And this brings me back to a point that keeps making itself very clear. States lost their check on Federal Government when the Senate was changed from being appointed by the state legislatures to being directly elected. Control of the Senate passed in 1917 from the state legislatures to the one or two major metropolitan areas that carry a state's popular vote and swamp the votes in the rest of the state. There is a way to compromise and for the states to regain their check without changing the constitution. Senators should be nominated by the legislature and elected by the people. The legislature could nominate one candidate from each party represented in it and one candidate not aligned with any party and have the people narrow the choice in the primary and choose the final candidate in the general election. The Senate would still be elected by the people but Senators that vote against the interests of their state would find themselves out of a seat when it came time to be renominated. That makes the Senator answerable to BOTH the legislature AND the people and returns at least some of the check that the founders originally wanted the state governments to have on the federal government. The state of Texas is threatening to ignore any legislation. And this brings me back to a point that keeps making itself very clear. States lost their check on Federal Government when the Senate was changed from being appointed by the state legislatures to being directly elected. Control of the Senate passed in 1917 from the state legislatures to the one or two major metropolitan areas that carry a state’s popular vote and swamp the votes in the rest of the state.

There is a way to compromise and for the states to regain their check without changing the constitution. Senators should be nominated by the legislature and elected by the people. The legislature could nominate one candidate from each party represented in it and one candidate not aligned with any party and have the people narrow the choice in the primary and choose the final candidate in the general election.

The Senate would still be elected by the people but Senators that vote against the interests of their state would find themselves out of a seat when it came time to be renominated. That makes the Senator answerable to BOTH the legislature AND the people and returns at least some of the check that the founders originally wanted the state governments to have on the federal government.

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