Comments on: “Rationing” Versus “Triage” http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10192 High Flying Political Debate Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:03:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Strata-Sphere » Rationing Better Than Liberals’ Plan To Triage Health Care http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10192/comment-page-1#comment-482978 The Strata-Sphere » Rationing Better Than Liberals’ Plan To Triage Health Care Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:39:51 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10192#comment-482978 [...] touched on this very issue in a previous post where I noted this is NOT rationing, but the act of advanced triage (yes folks, there is an [...] [...] touched on this very issue in a previous post where I noted this is NOT rationing, but the act of advanced triage (yes folks, there is an [...]

]]> By: Trent_Telenko http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10192/comment-page-1#comment-482822 Trent_Telenko Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:40:05 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10192#comment-482822 AJ, Health care is about more than "end of life decisions." It is about America's fundimental self-identity. That is why you are seeing such intense tribal reactions to it. Sarah Palin has already picked up on this. People who say Gov. Palin is washed up in national politics need to read the paragraphs below very closely and consider that even if the Democrats pass single payer, they have to implement it over the bodies of the elderly, special needs children, and American individualists that Palin speaks for: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-palin-defines-the-health-care-debate/ <i>Sarah Palin rightly sees the debate in philosophical terms. The American people do, too. People are arguing over this and that provision, but <b>the reason there is a depth of feeling on this issue is because people perceive that health care legislation would be a fundamental shift in the nature of what it means to be an American.</b> President Barack Obama fights for soft European socialism. Governor Sarah Palin <b>fights for free-market American individualism.</b> and The Democrats don’t like the answers the American people are giving and thus have upped the rhetoric and resorted to name calling. In the last week, opponents of government-run health care have been compared to Nazis by the speaker of the House. They have also been called “un-American,” “terrorists,” “the mob,” and more. That’s a sign Democrats have lost the philosophical debate. and Instead of calling out Sarah Palin, critics need to realize she’s defining the health care debate philosophically. Really, she’s doing the same thing President Barack Obama is doing. It isn’t like he’s been discussing specifics. He’s been trying to convince people that the government can provide more coverage at less cost than the private sector. He’s been trying to convince people that health care is a right. He has not been mentioning the trade-offs people make when giving the government that much power. Sarah Palin is doing that. <b>She is acting as a clear voice in opposition to a powerful government.</b> Interestingly, the <b>majority of Americans agree with Sarah Palin, not President Obama.</b></i> Romney and the rest of the Republican political establishment -- by being non-entities -- are leaving a clear path to the Republican Presidential nomination for Palin if she chooses to take it. Romney's "steadiness and safety" for the big money boys doesn't men jack S--- to the mass of American voters in Republican primaries scared out of their minds over government run health care or issues of American identity. Once Palin has the nomination locked up, the big money boy's choice is her or Obama. A man who cannot be trusted to keep a deal -- Just ask the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress about that. AJ,

Health care is about more than “end of life decisions.” It is about America’s fundimental self-identity. That is why you are seeing such intense tribal reactions to it.

Sarah Palin has already picked up on this. People who say Gov. Palin is washed up in national politics need to read the paragraphs below very closely and consider that even if the Democrats pass single payer, they have to implement it over the bodies of the elderly, special needs children, and American individualists that Palin speaks for:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-palin-defines-the-health-care-debate/

Sarah Palin rightly sees the debate in philosophical terms. The American people do, too. People are arguing over this and that provision, but the reason there is a depth of feeling on this issue is because people perceive that health care legislation would be a fundamental shift in the nature of what it means to be an American.

President Barack Obama fights for soft European socialism. Governor Sarah Palin fights for free-market American individualism.

and

The Democrats don’t like the answers the American people are giving and thus have upped the rhetoric and resorted to name calling. In the last week, opponents of government-run health care have been compared to Nazis by the speaker of the House. They have also been called “un-American,” “terrorists,” “the mob,” and more. That’s a sign Democrats have lost the philosophical debate.

and

Instead of calling out Sarah Palin, critics need to realize she’s defining the health care debate philosophically. Really, she’s doing the same thing President Barack Obama is doing. It isn’t like he’s been discussing specifics. He’s been trying to convince people that the government can provide more coverage at less cost than the private sector. He’s been trying to convince people that health care is a right. He has not been mentioning the trade-offs people make when giving the government that much power. Sarah Palin is doing that. She is acting as a clear voice in opposition to a powerful government.

Interestingly, the majority of Americans agree with Sarah Palin, not President Obama.

Romney and the rest of the Republican political establishment — by being non-entities — are leaving a clear path to the Republican Presidential nomination for Palin if she chooses to take it.

Romney’s “steadiness and safety” for the big money boys doesn’t men jack S— to the mass of American voters in Republican primaries scared out of their minds over government run health care or issues of American identity.

Once Palin has the nomination locked up, the big money boy’s choice is her or Obama.

A man who cannot be trusted to keep a deal — Just ask the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress about that.

]]> By: crosspatch http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10192/comment-page-1#comment-482711 crosspatch Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:34:50 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=10192#comment-482711 When you consider that this program is really about money, "youngest first" makes perfect sense. The younger you are, the longer you will pay into the system so it makes sense to preserve those payments. If you have already made most of your payment into the system or are retired and are a net draw on the system, then you will take a spot behind people who have more to offer. The same would be true with a very young child with a serious disability who would never produce enough into the system to pay for their required treatment. No million dollar procedures for someone who isn't going to start paying into the system until 20 years or more have elapsed. At least not until the "boomers" are dead. When you consider that this program is really about money, “youngest first” makes perfect sense. The younger you are, the longer you will pay into the system so it makes sense to preserve those payments.

If you have already made most of your payment into the system or are retired and are a net draw on the system, then you will take a spot behind people who have more to offer.

The same would be true with a very young child with a serious disability who would never produce enough into the system to pay for their required treatment. No million dollar procedures for someone who isn’t going to start paying into the system until 20 years or more have elapsed. At least not until the “boomers” are dead.

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