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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Seniors Are Being Sacrificed For Government Rationed Health Care</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Seniors Are Being Sacrificed For Government Rationed Health Care</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be a need for more money real soon, and these lying vultures will go after seniors again. Because, as I have noted many times, it is the end of life medical costs for seniors that are the treasure trove for DC liberals to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] be a need for more money real soon, and these lying vultures will go after seniors again. Because, as I have noted many times, it is the end of life medical costs for seniors that are the treasure trove for DC liberals to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Trent_Telenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent_Telenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ,


This is good political advice from a friend of mine you need to pay strictest attention to on healthcare reform:


&lt;b&gt;Keep this point in mind when evaluating articles concerning public opinion polls about likeliness to vote based on a Congressman/Senator&#039;s vote on ObamaCare:
 
The crucial detail is the over-55 group.  Older people are so disproportionately likely to vote relative to younger age cohorts that overall poll results mean nothing.  Unless the article about the poll specifically lists results of the over-55 group separately, it isnt worth reading.  &lt;i&gt;There is clear evidence that over-55&#039;s are particularly energized by this issue, so the vulnerability of incumbents based on their votes on ObamaCare must be evaluated in terms of likely voters, not the public at large, and that means knowing the opinions of the over-55 group.&lt;i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Any poll on healthcare reform that does not break out the over 55 age cohort is not worth the paper or electrons it is printed on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ,</p>
<p>This is good political advice from a friend of mine you need to pay strictest attention to on healthcare reform:</p>
<p><b>Keep this point in mind when evaluating articles concerning public opinion polls about likeliness to vote based on a Congressman/Senator&#8217;s vote on ObamaCare:</p>
<p>The crucial detail is the over-55 group.  Older people are so disproportionately likely to vote relative to younger age cohorts that overall poll results mean nothing.  Unless the article about the poll specifically lists results of the over-55 group separately, it isnt worth reading.  <i>There is clear evidence that over-55&#8242;s are particularly energized by this issue, so the vulnerability of incumbents based on their votes on ObamaCare must be evaluated in terms of likely voters, not the public at large, and that means knowing the opinions of the over-55 group.</i><i></i></b></p>
<p>Any poll on healthcare reform that does not break out the over 55 age cohort is not worth the paper or electrons it is printed on.</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10632/comment-page-1#comment-491462</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talk about carbon credits.  I foresee the day when families will
consider trading in family members to gain health care credits for themselves.  I do not think it is behind rational thought to consider this could and will happen.  Human nature being what it is, it is the nature of the beast.  It will be all about survival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talk about carbon credits.  I foresee the day when families will<br />
consider trading in family members to gain health care credits for themselves.  I do not think it is behind rational thought to consider this could and will happen.  Human nature being what it is, it is the nature of the beast.  It will be all about survival.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Jay Rockefeller Dumps on Baucus&#039; Bill and No Snowe Yet 
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/sen-jay-rockefeller-dumps-on-baucus-bill.html

Rangel: Health bill harder after Obama speech 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD9ANTUO00

Grassley releases statement, critical of bill 
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Grassley_releases_statement_critical_of_bill.html?showall

So, who in the &quot;gang of six&quot; really supports the Senate bill?   Sounds like Baucus rushed it through because of Obama&#039;s deadline.....no real bipartisan consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Jay Rockefeller Dumps on Baucus&#8217; Bill and No Snowe Yet<br />
<a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/sen-jay-rockefeller-dumps-on-baucus-bill.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/sen-jay-rockefeller-dumps-on-baucus-bill.html</a></p>
<p>Rangel: Health bill harder after Obama speech<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD9ANTUO00" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jlMpJGn28kqCcgU-aGcYE_ZHW-ywD9ANTUO00</a></p>
<p>Grassley releases statement, critical of bill<br />
<a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Grassley_releases_statement_critical_of_bill.html?showall" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Grassley_releases_statement_critical_of_bill.html?showall</a></p>
<p>So, who in the &#8220;gang of six&#8221; really supports the Senate bill?   Sounds like Baucus rushed it through because of Obama&#8217;s deadline&#8230;..no real bipartisan consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACORN&#039;s Public Option

By Robert M. Goldberg on 9.15.09 @ 6:06AM

Coming to a neighborhood near you: nonprofit health coops administered by ACORN designed to use state Medicaid programs to usher in single payer health care. 

A Tea Party conspiracy theory? Hardly. While the catfight over the cost of reform and the nature of the public plan escalated as details unfolded, no one paid attention to what the harmless sounding exchanges actually do. 



Best of all, the establishment of and enrollment in these exchange-sponsored public plans would be aided by a familiar nonprofit organization. 

Exchanges have to contract with &quot;navigators&quot; -- nonprofit organizations that know health care and know how to enroll hard to reach people. Enter Nets2Ladders, &quot;a powerful, automated benefits enrollment platform&quot; designed to &quot;increase the efficiency and effectiveness of enrolling low-income families in federal and state benefits programs&quot; such as Medicaid and SCHIP. By January 2010, all 50 states will be covered by this platform. And nearly 26 states have contracts with the group that administers the program already. 

The organization? ACORN of course. No organization is better suited to be a health exchange &quot;navigator.&quot; Which tells you everything you need to know about the real intent and impact of health exchanges. 

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/15/acorns-public-option</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACORN&#8217;s Public Option</p>
<p>By Robert M. Goldberg on 9.15.09 @ 6:06AM</p>
<p>Coming to a neighborhood near you: nonprofit health coops administered by ACORN designed to use state Medicaid programs to usher in single payer health care. </p>
<p>A Tea Party conspiracy theory? Hardly. While the catfight over the cost of reform and the nature of the public plan escalated as details unfolded, no one paid attention to what the harmless sounding exchanges actually do. </p>
<p>Best of all, the establishment of and enrollment in these exchange-sponsored public plans would be aided by a familiar nonprofit organization. </p>
<p>Exchanges have to contract with &#8220;navigators&#8221; &#8212; nonprofit organizations that know health care and know how to enroll hard to reach people. Enter Nets2Ladders, &#8220;a powerful, automated benefits enrollment platform&#8221; designed to &#8220;increase the efficiency and effectiveness of enrolling low-income families in federal and state benefits programs&#8221; such as Medicaid and SCHIP. By January 2010, all 50 states will be covered by this platform. And nearly 26 states have contracts with the group that administers the program already. </p>
<p>The organization? ACORN of course. No organization is better suited to be a health exchange &#8220;navigator.&#8221; Which tells you everything you need to know about the real intent and impact of health exchanges. </p>
<p><a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/15/acorns-public-option" rel="nofollow">http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/15/acorns-public-option</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frogg1</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10632/comment-page-1#comment-491458</link>
		<dc:creator>Frogg1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard on the news this morning that Tort reform in Texas and California has reduced the cost of insurance premiums by 30% and 40% respectively.   We also know that competition across state lines would offer competiton and lower prices.   So, what is the problem Dems have with those two?

Also, Michelle Malkin gives the link to an IBD/TIPP poll that is shocking:

45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul 
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard on the news this morning that Tort reform in Texas and California has reduced the cost of insurance premiums by 30% and 40% respectively.   We also know that competition across state lines would offer competiton and lower prices.   So, what is the problem Dems have with those two?</p>
<p>Also, Michelle Malkin gives the link to an IBD/TIPP poll that is shocking:</p>
<p>45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul<br />
<a href="http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199" rel="nofollow">http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199</a></p>
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		<title>By: dhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dishonest President, Democrat Party and some Republicans attempt to cut costs at end of life when people need care most, but seek to FORCE Private Insurance Companies to cover PRE-EXISTING conditions thus driving up the costs to Insurance Companies, thus the others in that Insurance pool.

Would your auto insurance carrier insure a new car you drove into his lot with severe front end damage without excluding the damage that is obviously there? Would he sell you a policy at normal rates and tell you to drive on down the block to the repair man and send him  the bill?
Why demand the same of Private Health Insurance Companies, increasing costs for all, whilst declining care by the Government programs to sick at end of life?
Disengenuous Liars are what the President and his healthcare supporters are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dishonest President, Democrat Party and some Republicans attempt to cut costs at end of life when people need care most, but seek to FORCE Private Insurance Companies to cover PRE-EXISTING conditions thus driving up the costs to Insurance Companies, thus the others in that Insurance pool.</p>
<p>Would your auto insurance carrier insure a new car you drove into his lot with severe front end damage without excluding the damage that is obviously there? Would he sell you a policy at normal rates and tell you to drive on down the block to the repair man and send him  the bill?<br />
Why demand the same of Private Health Insurance Companies, increasing costs for all, whilst declining care by the Government programs to sick at end of life?<br />
Disengenuous Liars are what the President and his healthcare supporters are!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne at Jeremiah Films</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10632/comment-page-1#comment-491425</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne at Jeremiah Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve linked to your post from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/WhiteHouse/Obamacare/HIT/909160802&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Health Information Technology - Doctors Grade for approved care&lt;/a&gt;

Will the Senate remove these too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve linked to your post from <a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/WhiteHouse/Obamacare/HIT/909160802" rel="nofollow">Health Information Technology &#8211; Doctors Grade for approved care</a></p>
<p>Will the Senate remove these too?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Financial News Update &#8211; 09/15/09 NoisyRoom.net: Where liberty dwells, there is my country&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Financial News Update &#8211; 09/15/09 NoisyRoom.net: Where liberty dwells, there is my country&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newsweek: We Need Those Damn Death Panels To Save Big $$$â€™s! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10632/comment-page-1#comment-491338</link>
		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry is bluffing.  It&#039;s been obvious for weeks that there won&#039;t be any Republican support.   If they could make this work through reconciliation, they would already have done it. 

They haven&#039;t done it because they know it won&#039;t work.  (There&#039;s been some good posts on the net elsewhere detailing exactly why this will blow up in their faces if they try it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry is bluffing.  It&#8217;s been obvious for weeks that there won&#8217;t be any Republican support.   If they could make this work through reconciliation, they would already have done it. </p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t done it because they know it won&#8217;t work.  (There&#8217;s been some good posts on the net elsewhere detailing exactly why this will blow up in their faces if they try it)</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baccus health care bill not liked by dems or repub. Harry said if can&#039;t get repub support will do reconciliation. I wonder which bill they will reconciliate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baccus health care bill not liked by dems or repub. Harry said if can&#8217;t get repub support will do reconciliation. I wonder which bill they will reconciliate?</p>
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		<title>By: KauaiBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>KauaiBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No where in this debate has the idea of being responsible for your own health come up. If you want to save future health care costs why not outlaw tobacco and alcohol and not allow sweets for anyone with a family history of diabetes. I guess we would get tort reform first!!!

This is the next step that the mindless, unthinking supporters of this fiasco need to realize....once government gets full control (of 1/6 of the economy) they will then regulate behaviors that contribute to rising health care costs. If I have to pay any more for anyone&#039;s health care I am going to insist all dangerous behaviors be verboten---that means no skateboarding or talking on the cellphone while driving (or walking) or eating saturated fats or listening to all those talk show radicals (and internet bloggers) who raise everyone&#039;s stress levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No where in this debate has the idea of being responsible for your own health come up. If you want to save future health care costs why not outlaw tobacco and alcohol and not allow sweets for anyone with a family history of diabetes. I guess we would get tort reform first!!!</p>
<p>This is the next step that the mindless, unthinking supporters of this fiasco need to realize&#8230;.once government gets full control (of 1/6 of the economy) they will then regulate behaviors that contribute to rising health care costs. If I have to pay any more for anyone&#8217;s health care I am going to insist all dangerous behaviors be verboten&#8212;that means no skateboarding or talking on the cellphone while driving (or walking) or eating saturated fats or listening to all those talk show radicals (and internet bloggers) who raise everyone&#8217;s stress levels.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a &quot;doctor&quot; is forced to let people die for financial savings, then is he really a doctor? 

Medicare, a government mandated system, has forced private insurers out of the market, now can dictate how you live or don&#039;t live your last years. Tell me why I&#039;m forced to support a system with every pay check that has the authority to end my life to save money?

A political party who will abort children for convenience, should not be incharge of healthy solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a &#8220;doctor&#8221; is forced to let people die for financial savings, then is he really a doctor? </p>
<p>Medicare, a government mandated system, has forced private insurers out of the market, now can dictate how you live or don&#8217;t live your last years. Tell me why I&#8217;m forced to support a system with every pay check that has the authority to end my life to save money?</p>
<p>A political party who will abort children for convenience, should not be incharge of healthy solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I know of a way to save $1 Trillion in health care costs.

(look all around carefully)

Whispering:  &quot;tort reform.&quot;


naaah, too radical, no one&#039;s THAT desperate!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I know of a way to save $1 Trillion in health care costs.</p>
<p>(look all around carefully)</p>
<p>Whispering:  &#8220;tort reform.&#8221;</p>
<p>naaah, too radical, no one&#8217;s THAT desperate!!!</p>
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