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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Unemployment Worse Than Being Reported By News Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Unemployment Worse Than Being Reported By News Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Note when the faux stimulus bill was passed (green dotted line) and how it had no effect on job creation. That is because over 95% of the jobs program money in the &#8217;stimulus bill&#8217; has yet to get out of the federal bureaucracy (see here for data). [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Obamanomics An Abomination</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Obamanomics An Abomination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] jobs promised in February (over 95% of which is still stuck in the bloated government bureaucracy, as seen in the latest government data) is coming in months too late to stop the damage. Add in the 50% unemployment for young adults and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The voters cut Reagan some slack&quot;

Maybe because Ronald Reagan had a college degree in economics and might have known a little bit about what he was hearing from the economists.</description>
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<p>Maybe because Ronald Reagan had a college degree in economics and might have known a little bit about what he was hearing from the economists.</p>
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		<title>By: COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Obama Health Care Failure as of September 28, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>COACHEP &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Obama Health Care Failure as of September 28, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally Vee,

Hopey change graphs will most likely be out prior to the 2010 elections, the way the dems are going.</description>
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<p>Hopey change graphs will most likely be out prior to the 2010 elections, the way the dems are going.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent_Telenko</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ,

Now is the time for Democratic Red and Purple state Congressmen to panic.

See what Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8594380

&lt;b&gt;U.S. Unemployment Not to Peak Until 2011: Krugman&lt;/b&gt;
By Marja Novak
Reuters
LJUBLJANA

&lt;i&gt;Unemployment in the United States will peak only in early 2011 because of a slow and painful recovery from the global economic crisis, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said on Wednesday.
 
He said the global economy seems to be stabilizing at a level that is &quot;unacceptably poor&quot; and added it is possible that the recession will be a double-dip one.
 
&lt;b&gt;&quot;(U.S.) unemployment will peak in early 2011 ... certainly staying very high and possibly rising all next year,&lt;/b&gt;&quot; Krugman told a business meeting in Slovenia, adding his forecast was based on data from previous U.S. economic crises.&lt;/i&gt;

That is bad news for Democrats all the way around.  The voters cut Reagan some slack -- but not Congressional Republicans -- in his first term because he convinced them he was trying hard on the economy.  

They won&#039;t do so for Obama in 2012 because he has openly focused on matters other than the economy, and thereby convinced voters that it isn&#039;t his priority.  

This will badly hurt Obama in 2012.  

However, down ballot Democrats across the country will get hit first, and harder.
 
And I&#039;m talking only public perception here.

It&#039;ll only get worse, employment wise, as the Bush tax rate cuts end in 2010 and higher tax rates in 2011 force companies to cut back employment even more. 

Just look at the timing of the significant tax increases from expiration of the Bush first term tax cuts.  

If the economy is still in recession in 2011 as Krugman predicts, those tax increases will keep it there.  And they might turn it into a full-bore depression.  Major tax increases during major recessions tend to do that.

What Dick Morris says here about Obama Care is even worse news for Democrats:


http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/09/17/obamas-headwind-on-health-care/

&lt;i&gt;Before Obama addressed the nation and a joint session of Congress, his proposals drew only 45% approval (Rasmussen). But after he spoke, support for his health care proposals rose until it peaked at 52%. Then, a scant week after his speech ended, public support had quietly but quickly eroded back down to 42%.

It is no surprise that a nationally televised presidential speech can move support for the chief executiveâ€™s program by 7 points. &lt;b&gt;But it is shocking that - in the absence of any other major independent negative event - these new supporters would flee in the space of one week and that three percent more would move against him.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

IOW, the more people talk about health care reform that is popular with the Democratic Party primary voting base, &lt;b&gt;the more _unpopular_ it becomes. &lt;/b&gt; Especially when it gets framed as Morris put it here:

&lt;i&gt;It is, (Obamacare) essentially, &lt;b&gt;a program to force people who donâ€™t need it to buy health insuranc&lt;/b&gt;e so as to lower costs for those who do and &lt;b&gt;to subsidize part of the price tag by cutting medical care to the elderly.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I can see few ways to effectively unite the young and the elderly against health care reform, and Democrats generally, but the Obama Democrats seem to have found it.

The Red/Purple District Democrats seem on course for a perfect storm of their own making.  They made a &quot;stimulus bill&quot; into a vehicle for $787 billion corrupt pork in exchange for a few hundred thousand dollars of campaign contributions in 2009.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ,</p>
<p>Now is the time for Democratic Red and Purple state Congressmen to panic.</p>
<p>See what Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said here:</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8594380" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=8594380</a></p>
<p><b>U.S. Unemployment Not to Peak Until 2011: Krugman</b><br />
By Marja Novak<br />
Reuters<br />
LJUBLJANA</p>
<p><i>Unemployment in the United States will peak only in early 2011 because of a slow and painful recovery from the global economic crisis, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said on Wednesday.</p>
<p>He said the global economy seems to be stabilizing at a level that is &#8220;unacceptably poor&#8221; and added it is possible that the recession will be a double-dip one.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;(U.S.) unemployment will peak in early 2011 &#8230; certainly staying very high and possibly rising all next year,</b>&#8221; Krugman told a business meeting in Slovenia, adding his forecast was based on data from previous U.S. economic crises.</i></p>
<p>That is bad news for Democrats all the way around.  The voters cut Reagan some slack &#8212; but not Congressional Republicans &#8212; in his first term because he convinced them he was trying hard on the economy.  </p>
<p>They won&#8217;t do so for Obama in 2012 because he has openly focused on matters other than the economy, and thereby convinced voters that it isn&#8217;t his priority.  </p>
<p>This will badly hurt Obama in 2012.  </p>
<p>However, down ballot Democrats across the country will get hit first, and harder.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m talking only public perception here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll only get worse, employment wise, as the Bush tax rate cuts end in 2010 and higher tax rates in 2011 force companies to cut back employment even more. </p>
<p>Just look at the timing of the significant tax increases from expiration of the Bush first term tax cuts.  </p>
<p>If the economy is still in recession in 2011 as Krugman predicts, those tax increases will keep it there.  And they might turn it into a full-bore depression.  Major tax increases during major recessions tend to do that.</p>
<p>What Dick Morris says here about Obama Care is even worse news for Democrats:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/09/17/obamas-headwind-on-health-care/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/09/17/obamas-headwind-on-health-care/</a></p>
<p><i>Before Obama addressed the nation and a joint session of Congress, his proposals drew only 45% approval (Rasmussen). But after he spoke, support for his health care proposals rose until it peaked at 52%. Then, a scant week after his speech ended, public support had quietly but quickly eroded back down to 42%.</p>
<p>It is no surprise that a nationally televised presidential speech can move support for the chief executiveâ€™s program by 7 points. <b>But it is shocking that &#8211; in the absence of any other major independent negative event &#8211; these new supporters would flee in the space of one week and that three percent more would move against him.</b></i></p>
<p>IOW, the more people talk about health care reform that is popular with the Democratic Party primary voting base, <b>the more _unpopular_ it becomes. </b> Especially when it gets framed as Morris put it here:</p>
<p><i>It is, (Obamacare) essentially, <b>a program to force people who donâ€™t need it to buy health insuranc</b>e so as to lower costs for those who do and <b>to subsidize part of the price tag by cutting medical care to the elderly.</b></i></p>
<p>I can see few ways to effectively unite the young and the elderly against health care reform, and Democrats generally, but the Obama Democrats seem to have found it.</p>
<p>The Red/Purple District Democrats seem on course for a perfect storm of their own making.  They made a &#8220;stimulus bill&#8221; into a vehicle for $787 billion corrupt pork in exchange for a few hundred thousand dollars of campaign contributions in 2009.</p>
<p>Now what good will that do them?</p>
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		<title>By: SallyVee</title>
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		<dc:creator>SallyVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from jonnyvee&#039;s new iPhone. Which I have appropriated. It allows me to practically surf in my sleep... Heh, as if Thats possible. I am seriously distressed and sinking, just like our economy. And in addition to all said by AJ and Crosspatch, left unsaid is the grave threat posed also to our national security. But does that even matter if we are heading for third world status? Soros blueprint. But to what end I am not quite sure. Guys, where is this going? My America is disappearing. Americans have turned into pods. But let&#039;s say they wake up long enough to stage a ballot box coup next November. Can we reverse in time to prevent domestic and/or foreign disaster? 

AJ, why can&#039;t you make a nice hopey-change graph for once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from jonnyvee&#8217;s new iPhone. Which I have appropriated. It allows me to practically surf in my sleep&#8230; Heh, as if Thats possible. I am seriously distressed and sinking, just like our economy. And in addition to all said by AJ and Crosspatch, left unsaid is the grave threat posed also to our national security. But does that even matter if we are heading for third world status? Soros blueprint. But to what end I am not quite sure. Guys, where is this going? My America is disappearing. Americans have turned into pods. But let&#8217;s say they wake up long enough to stage a ballot box coup next November. Can we reverse in time to prevent domestic and/or foreign disaster? </p>
<p>AJ, why can&#8217;t you make a nice hopey-change graph for once.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 04:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker9876:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6850951.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This doesn&#039;t bode well for Labor&lt;/a&gt; in the UK:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
LABOUR is heading for a â€œreally bad defeatâ€ unless the party dramatically improves its performance, Peter Hain, the cabinet minister, warned last night. 

...

â€œThere is an emerging consensus in the Labour party that we should change the electoral system,â€ he said.

The ballot, which would happen after a general election, will propose the â€œalternative voteâ€ system where voters rate candidates in order of preference. â€œIt would help repair the gaping chasm of credibility which exists between citizens and politicians,â€ said Hain.

If a voting reform bill does become law, it would be a â€œpoison pillâ€ for an incoming Conservative government. David Cameron, the Tory leader, would be forced to decide whether to use political capital and parliamentary time to repeal the legislation. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So they sense they are in deep trouble so what is their suggestion? Like Liberals everywhere ... CHEAT!  Change the election system!  Novel idea.

I suspect that if they actually tried that, they would be out of office for a century and the law would be changed right back.

Labour lost practically every seat they held in the County Council elections.  It may have been their worst drubbing in history.  Seats they had held for decades were in some cases replaced with newcomer Conservatives who had zero name recognition.

So we have Italy, France, Germany, and now the UK moving right.  Even Sweden is cutting taxes to spur business growth.

The US liberals will soon be a laughing stock in European capitals.  It is really going to leave a mark on the ego of the Democrats who believe they are all so sophisticated and closer to European ideals.

Their only friends in a few years will be the Chinese, the Russians, Cuba, Venezuela, and possibly Iran.  I believe it is possible that the Democrats might not only lose both houses of Congress, they might be on their way to losing several state legislatures and governors as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker9876:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6850951.ece" rel="nofollow">This doesn&#8217;t bode well for Labor</a> in the UK:</p>
<blockquote><p>
LABOUR is heading for a â€œreally bad defeatâ€ unless the party dramatically improves its performance, Peter Hain, the cabinet minister, warned last night. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>â€œThere is an emerging consensus in the Labour party that we should change the electoral system,â€ he said.</p>
<p>The ballot, which would happen after a general election, will propose the â€œalternative voteâ€ system where voters rate candidates in order of preference. â€œIt would help repair the gaping chasm of credibility which exists between citizens and politicians,â€ said Hain.</p>
<p>If a voting reform bill does become law, it would be a â€œpoison pillâ€ for an incoming Conservative government. David Cameron, the Tory leader, would be forced to decide whether to use political capital and parliamentary time to repeal the legislation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So they sense they are in deep trouble so what is their suggestion? Like Liberals everywhere &#8230; CHEAT!  Change the election system!  Novel idea.</p>
<p>I suspect that if they actually tried that, they would be out of office for a century and the law would be changed right back.</p>
<p>Labour lost practically every seat they held in the County Council elections.  It may have been their worst drubbing in history.  Seats they had held for decades were in some cases replaced with newcomer Conservatives who had zero name recognition.</p>
<p>So we have Italy, France, Germany, and now the UK moving right.  Even Sweden is cutting taxes to spur business growth.</p>
<p>The US liberals will soon be a laughing stock in European capitals.  It is really going to leave a mark on the ego of the Democrats who believe they are all so sophisticated and closer to European ideals.</p>
<p>Their only friends in a few years will be the Chinese, the Russians, Cuba, Venezuela, and possibly Iran.  I believe it is possible that the Democrats might not only lose both houses of Congress, they might be on their way to losing several state legislatures and governors as well.</p>
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		<title>By: lurker9876</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting trend...If the conservatives take back both houses next year, the world would be more united and really make the right changes.  Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting trend&#8230;If the conservatives take back both houses next year, the world would be more united and really make the right changes.  Good.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems Obama has coattails that reach all the way to Germany.  German voters voted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0927/germany.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Angela Merkel&#039;s center-right Christian Democratic Party&lt;/a&gt; with enough margin to allow them to ditch the power sharing arrangement they had with the liberal Social Democratic Party and form a new coalition with the Free Democrat Party.

After the European Parliament elections saw a swing to the right, the Germans have now done the same.  The UK is poised to make a massive turn to the right as the Labour Party is polling behind the Conservative Party in practically every constituency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems Obama has coattails that reach all the way to Germany.  German voters voted in <a href="http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0927/germany.html" rel="nofollow">Angela Merkel&#8217;s center-right Christian Democratic Party</a> with enough margin to allow them to ditch the power sharing arrangement they had with the liberal Social Democratic Party and form a new coalition with the Free Democrat Party.</p>
<p>After the European Parliament elections saw a swing to the right, the Germans have now done the same.  The UK is poised to make a massive turn to the right as the Labour Party is polling behind the Conservative Party in practically every constituency.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an F is too kind.  Maybe an FY would be closer to the reality.</description>
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		<title>By: World Governance: Who Gave Them The Right To Take What I Have Earned? &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>World Governance: Who Gave Them The Right To Take What I Have Earned? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Strata-Sphere:Â  President Obama And Congressional Liberals Get An â€˜F-â€™ On Economy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the if you must have a minimum wage, you set the maximum possible unemployment benefit to be lower than that minimum wage so it always pays more to work than to sit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the if you must have a minimum wage, you set the maximum possible unemployment benefit to be lower than that minimum wage so it always pays more to work than to sit.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t only the youth.  The liberal logic behind minimum wage increases are that there are many adults working minimum wage jobs who can not afford to support a family so the notion is to make the minimum wage a &quot;living wage&quot;.  That all sounds good in theory.  It assumes that everyone having a job before the wage hike will still have one after the wage hike.

In practice, a business eliminates minimum wage jobs for tasks that can be done by other employees or they simply outsource the task to (often SEIU affiliated) outside contract workers on an as-needed basis.  That might be the actual point of all this ... forcing jobs from non-union minimum wage employees for such jobs as custodial support to union contractors who might only come in a few days a week.

But the end result is loss of jobs overall but some gain in jobs for union contractors which results in more money for the union which, in turn, results in more cash to Democrats who made the law to begin with.

The correct mechanism is to abolish the minimum wage altogether.  The market will determine what the minimum is and that will vary from one region to another.  If you only want to pay $1 per hour, you aren&#039;t going to find anyone to work for you.  You will need to raise the pay rate to attract the required employee(s).  And still if the rate is too low, you will not be able to keep employees.  But most importantly, it allows wages to fluctuate with economic conditions.  When the economy turns down, a business might find that it can attract employees for less money and when the economy rebounds, they will need to increase the wages to keep the ones they hired at the lower rate.  Overall the impact is greater employment and less hardship.

The left wants to prevent workers from being &quot;exploited&quot; but nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you take a job and nobody forces you to stay in one, either. 

Also, the problem only addresses a symptom, it doesn&#039;t address the problem.  Minimum wage is for unskilled labor.  Why don&#039;t the workers have any skill?  Instead of jacking up labor rates through minimum wage hikes, why not fund more vocational programs at the high school level?  When I was in high school, after grade 9 you could spend half the day at the county vocational school.  You could learn electronics, carpentry, automotive repair, office skills, dental assistant skills, all sorts of things.  The country no longer has that program so kids are graduating with no vocational skills whatsoever.

The real problem is the lack of vocational schooling at the high school level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t only the youth.  The liberal logic behind minimum wage increases are that there are many adults working minimum wage jobs who can not afford to support a family so the notion is to make the minimum wage a &#8220;living wage&#8221;.  That all sounds good in theory.  It assumes that everyone having a job before the wage hike will still have one after the wage hike.</p>
<p>In practice, a business eliminates minimum wage jobs for tasks that can be done by other employees or they simply outsource the task to (often SEIU affiliated) outside contract workers on an as-needed basis.  That might be the actual point of all this &#8230; forcing jobs from non-union minimum wage employees for such jobs as custodial support to union contractors who might only come in a few days a week.</p>
<p>But the end result is loss of jobs overall but some gain in jobs for union contractors which results in more money for the union which, in turn, results in more cash to Democrats who made the law to begin with.</p>
<p>The correct mechanism is to abolish the minimum wage altogether.  The market will determine what the minimum is and that will vary from one region to another.  If you only want to pay $1 per hour, you aren&#8217;t going to find anyone to work for you.  You will need to raise the pay rate to attract the required employee(s).  And still if the rate is too low, you will not be able to keep employees.  But most importantly, it allows wages to fluctuate with economic conditions.  When the economy turns down, a business might find that it can attract employees for less money and when the economy rebounds, they will need to increase the wages to keep the ones they hired at the lower rate.  Overall the impact is greater employment and less hardship.</p>
<p>The left wants to prevent workers from being &#8220;exploited&#8221; but nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you take a job and nobody forces you to stay in one, either. </p>
<p>Also, the problem only addresses a symptom, it doesn&#8217;t address the problem.  Minimum wage is for unskilled labor.  Why don&#8217;t the workers have any skill?  Instead of jacking up labor rates through minimum wage hikes, why not fund more vocational programs at the high school level?  When I was in high school, after grade 9 you could spend half the day at the county vocational school.  You could learn electronics, carpentry, automotive repair, office skills, dental assistant skills, all sorts of things.  The country no longer has that program so kids are graduating with no vocational skills whatsoever.</p>
<p>The real problem is the lack of vocational schooling at the high school level.</p>
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		<title>By: Redteam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redteam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daralharb, I do  believe you have stumbled upon something.

Obama should immediately get congress to hire 100% of all unemployed people under 25 years of age.  They should all be &#039;required&#039; to accept the job. They should all  be hired at the minimum wage, whatever it is.  So here are the calculations. each person will be paid 40 hours a week at $7.50.  they should be taxed at 20 %.  They should pay 7.65% EDIC and $3900 a year &#039;required&#039; insurance.  Let&#039;s see where we are now.  $3900/2000 = 1.95hr.  (7.50 -(.20x7.50) - (.0765x7.50) - 1.95)=$3.46.  

It is fairly obvious that using this strategy that 100% of the young people will have a job and the net income to the government will be (7.50-3.46) =$4.04-3.46= .58 hr.  
So everyone will have a job and the government will be &#039;making&#039; money instead of losing.  

Now, I&#039;ll freely admit that reality will set in at some point, but for right now, it works out much more favorable than most of the numbers I see coming out of Warshington.  

now I don&#039;t know how many under 25 unemployed there is, but let&#039;s guess 10 million.  10 mill x .58Hr x 2000 hr/yr =$11.6billion a year &#039;income&#039; to the gov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daralharb, I do  believe you have stumbled upon something.</p>
<p>Obama should immediately get congress to hire 100% of all unemployed people under 25 years of age.  They should all be &#8216;required&#8217; to accept the job. They should all  be hired at the minimum wage, whatever it is.  So here are the calculations. each person will be paid 40 hours a week at $7.50.  they should be taxed at 20 %.  They should pay 7.65% EDIC and $3900 a year &#8216;required&#8217; insurance.  Let&#8217;s see where we are now.  $3900/2000 = 1.95hr.  (7.50 -(.20&#215;7.50) &#8211; (.0765&#215;7.50) &#8211; 1.95)=$3.46.  </p>
<p>It is fairly obvious that using this strategy that 100% of the young people will have a job and the net income to the government will be (7.50-3.46) =$4.04-3.46= .58 hr.<br />
So everyone will have a job and the government will be &#8216;making&#8217; money instead of losing.  </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ll freely admit that reality will set in at some point, but for right now, it works out much more favorable than most of the numbers I see coming out of Warshington.  </p>
<p>now I don&#8217;t know how many under 25 unemployed there is, but let&#8217;s guess 10 million.  10 mill x .58Hr x 2000 hr/yr =$11.6billion a year &#8216;income&#8217; to the gov.</p>
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