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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NSA Wrap Up - For Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NSA Wrap Up - For Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 06:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amazingly, the impeachment calls came out immediately and across the liberal spectrum, with little to no information on the issue itself! All of this staged outrage demonstrated this was probably a coordinated effort (here and here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amazingly, the impeachment calls came out immediately and across the liberal spectrum, with little to no information on the issue itself! All of this staged outrage demonstrated this was probably a coordinated effort (here and here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Battle For America Has Begun</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Battle For America Has Begun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many on the left are calling for impeachment proceedings. I gleefully answer bring it on. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I think may be going on with the NSA story. The administration wanted to fool the terrorists into thinking they had more time to communicate than they did.

If they change the law, that is a public process, and they would have to explain all their technological wizzardry. The terrorists would read the law and know what we can do to spy on them. 

So they talked to a few congressmen, as the law allows for. And who knows if these guys really got it.

This is a war. We can have every spy tactic we might used published in the laws.  We have enemies inside our country and the government has to be able to get them.

At the same time, these allegations about the FBI spying on &quot;activists&quot; are designed to make people think that the FBI is trying to silence peaceful dissent.  

The terrorists camoflage themselves as dissidents, but really they are advocating and practicing violence.

People will confuse the FBI activities with the NSA activities and get all paranoid about the government.

It&#039;s not the government that is out to destroy our rights; it&#039;s the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I think may be going on with the NSA story. The administration wanted to fool the terrorists into thinking they had more time to communicate than they did.</p>
<p>If they change the law, that is a public process, and they would have to explain all their technological wizzardry. The terrorists would read the law and know what we can do to spy on them. </p>
<p>So they talked to a few congressmen, as the law allows for. And who knows if these guys really got it.</p>
<p>This is a war. We can have every spy tactic we might used published in the laws.  We have enemies inside our country and the government has to be able to get them.</p>
<p>At the same time, these allegations about the FBI spying on &#8220;activists&#8221; are designed to make people think that the FBI is trying to silence peaceful dissent.  </p>
<p>The terrorists camoflage themselves as dissidents, but really they are advocating and practicing violence.</p>
<p>People will confuse the FBI activities with the NSA activities and get all paranoid about the government.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the government that is out to destroy our rights; it&#8217;s the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: dymphna</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3020</link>
		<dc:creator>dymphna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Left has been saying that they were going to impeach Bush since even before 9/11. They didn&#039;t have a clue what they&#039;d use, but they knew something could be invented eventually.

This could be their chance. Hey, if you can make even a phantasm of a case with Wilson and Wife, you can do impeachment on this decision. Anything for a diversion.

Plus ca change...the dems did the same to Lincoln. And when that didn&#039;t get anywhere they shot him...which is why I worry for Bush. I&#039;m glad he&#039;s *finally* getting out there and speaking, but it ups the chances for the nutcakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left has been saying that they were going to impeach Bush since even before 9/11. They didn&#8217;t have a clue what they&#8217;d use, but they knew something could be invented eventually.</p>
<p>This could be their chance. Hey, if you can make even a phantasm of a case with Wilson and Wife, you can do impeachment on this decision. Anything for a diversion.</p>
<p>Plus ca change&#8230;the dems did the same to Lincoln. And when that didn&#8217;t get anywhere they shot him&#8230;which is why I worry for Bush. I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s *finally* getting out there and speaking, but it ups the chances for the nutcakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3009</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On TV the Attorney General Gonzalez said that the idea of getting legislation for the NSA evesdropping program without a court order  was discussed,  but  they were advised that legistation would not be possible without compromising the program. I think that he meant that this advice came from legislators but I am not positive about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On TV the Attorney General Gonzalez said that the idea of getting legislation for the NSA evesdropping program without a court order  was discussed,  but  they were advised that legistation would not be possible without compromising the program. I think that he meant that this advice came from legislators but I am not positive about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3008</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush just gave a quick press conference. He said that a Senator bragged about &quot;killing&quot; the Patriot Act.

Does anyone know who that Senator is so I can write him and ask him this:

Will you be  bragging when you see you voted to  kill Americans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush just gave a quick press conference. He said that a Senator bragged about &#8220;killing&#8221; the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>Does anyone know who that Senator is so I can write him and ask him this:</p>
<p>Will you be  bragging when you see you voted to  kill Americans?</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3007</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a White House site that has the Attorney General Gonzalez and General Hayden (NSA) explaining their views on the intecepts between Americans and terrorists.

It is complicated, but here is, I think, the gist of the argument:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-1.html

GONZALEZ says, &quot;the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provides -- requires a court order before engaging in this kind of surveillance that I&#039;ve just discussed and the President announced on Saturday, unless there is somehow -- there is -- unless otherwise authorized by statute or by Congress. That&#039;s what the law requires. Our position is, is that the authorization to use force, which was passed by the Congress in the days following September 11th, constitutes that other authorization, that other statute by Congress, to engage in this kind of signals intelligence........there&#039;s nothing in the authorization to use force that specifically mentions electronic surveillance. Let me take you back to a case that the Supreme Court reviewed this past -- in 2004, the Hamdi decision. As you remember, in that case, Mr. Hamdi was a U.S. citizen who was contesting his detention by the United States government. What he said was that there is a statute, he said, that specifically prohibits the detention of American citizens without permission, an act by Congress -- and he&#039;s right, 18 USC 4001a requires that the United States government cannot detain an American citizen except by an act of Congress. 

We took the position -- the United States government took the position that Congress had authorized that detention in the authorization to use force, even though the authorization to use force never mentions the word &quot;detention.&quot; And the Supreme Court, a plurality written by Justice O&#039;Connor agreed. She said, it was clear and unmistakable that the Congress had authorized the detention of an American citizen captured on the battlefield as an enemy combatant for the remainder -- the duration of the hostilities. So even though the authorization to use force did not mention the word, &quot;detention,&quot; she felt that detention of enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield was a fundamental incident of waging war, and therefore, had been authorized by Congress when they used the words, &quot;authorize the President to use all necessary and appropriate force.&quot; 

For the same reason, we believe signals intelligence is even more a fundamental incident of war, and we believe has been authorized by the Congress. And even though signals intelligence is not mentioned in the authorization to use force, we believe that the Court would apply the same reasoning to recognize the authorization by Congress to engage in this kind of electronic surveillance. 

I might also add that we also believe the President has the inherent authority under the Constitution, as Commander-in-Chief, to engage in this kind of activity. Signals intelligence has been a fundamental aspect of waging war since the Civil War, where we intercepted telegraphs, obviously, during the world wars, as we intercepted telegrams in and out of the United States. Signals intelligence is very important for the United States government to know what the enemy is doing, to know what the enemy is about to do. It is a fundamental incident of war, as Justice O&#039;Connor talked about in the Hamdi decision. We believe that -- and those two authorities exist to allow, permit the United States government to engage in this kind of surveillance. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a White House site that has the Attorney General Gonzalez and General Hayden (NSA) explaining their views on the intecepts between Americans and terrorists.</p>
<p>It is complicated, but here is, I think, the gist of the argument:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051219-1.html</a></p>
<p>GONZALEZ says, &#8220;the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act provides &#8212; requires a court order before engaging in this kind of surveillance that I&#8217;ve just discussed and the President announced on Saturday, unless there is somehow &#8212; there is &#8212; unless otherwise authorized by statute or by Congress. That&#8217;s what the law requires. Our position is, is that the authorization to use force, which was passed by the Congress in the days following September 11th, constitutes that other authorization, that other statute by Congress, to engage in this kind of signals intelligence&#8230;&#8230;..there&#8217;s nothing in the authorization to use force that specifically mentions electronic surveillance. Let me take you back to a case that the Supreme Court reviewed this past &#8212; in 2004, the Hamdi decision. As you remember, in that case, Mr. Hamdi was a U.S. citizen who was contesting his detention by the United States government. What he said was that there is a statute, he said, that specifically prohibits the detention of American citizens without permission, an act by Congress &#8212; and he&#8217;s right, 18 USC 4001a requires that the United States government cannot detain an American citizen except by an act of Congress. </p>
<p>We took the position &#8212; the United States government took the position that Congress had authorized that detention in the authorization to use force, even though the authorization to use force never mentions the word &#8220;detention.&#8221; And the Supreme Court, a plurality written by Justice O&#8217;Connor agreed. She said, it was clear and unmistakable that the Congress had authorized the detention of an American citizen captured on the battlefield as an enemy combatant for the remainder &#8212; the duration of the hostilities. So even though the authorization to use force did not mention the word, &#8220;detention,&#8221; she felt that detention of enemy soldiers captured on the battlefield was a fundamental incident of waging war, and therefore, had been authorized by Congress when they used the words, &#8220;authorize the President to use all necessary and appropriate force.&#8221; </p>
<p>For the same reason, we believe signals intelligence is even more a fundamental incident of war, and we believe has been authorized by the Congress. And even though signals intelligence is not mentioned in the authorization to use force, we believe that the Court would apply the same reasoning to recognize the authorization by Congress to engage in this kind of electronic surveillance. </p>
<p>I might also add that we also believe the President has the inherent authority under the Constitution, as Commander-in-Chief, to engage in this kind of activity. Signals intelligence has been a fundamental aspect of waging war since the Civil War, where we intercepted telegraphs, obviously, during the world wars, as we intercepted telegrams in and out of the United States. Signals intelligence is very important for the United States government to know what the enemy is doing, to know what the enemy is about to do. It is a fundamental incident of war, as Justice O&#8217;Connor talked about in the Hamdi decision. We believe that &#8212; and those two authorities exist to allow, permit the United States government to engage in this kind of surveillance. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: alcibiades</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3003</link>
		<dc:creator>alcibiades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Alter is a moonbat; he&#039;s essentially a partisan hack, he never writes objectively.  Does he ever stray from democrat talking points?  That seems to be the idiom of his deep thoughts.  

I&#039;m a lot more concerned, however, about the likes of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bruce Fein&lt;/a&gt; coming out this strongly against Bush.  And Jonathan Turley, who I saw on tv, was very strongly against.  And he&#039;s a pretty fair/moderate voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Alter is a moonbat; he&#8217;s essentially a partisan hack, he never writes objectively.  Does he ever stray from democrat talking points?  That seems to be the idiom of his deep thoughts.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a lot more concerned, however, about the likes of <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/bfein.htm" rel="nofollow">Bruce Fein</a> coming out this strongly against Bush.  And Jonathan Turley, who I saw on tv, was very strongly against.  And he&#8217;s a pretty fair/moderate voice.</p>
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		<title>By: nar9350</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator>nar9350</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;DITTO - Great Piece&lt;/b&gt;

See this related post and comments over at Atlas Shrugs.  See my comments and scroll the thread:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/12/the_left_counts.html#comment-12237064&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;

and

&lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/12/the_left_counts.html#comment-12238660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>DITTO &#8211; Great Piece</b></p>
<p>See this related post and comments over at Atlas Shrugs.  See my comments and scroll the thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/12/the_left_counts.html#comment-12237064" rel="nofollow">Here</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/12/the_left_counts.html#comment-12238660" rel="nofollow">Here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-2999</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ--This article says that a  FISA Court Approved NSA&#039;s spying.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/20/131610.shtml

&quot; Bush&#039;s so-called &quot;illegal&quot; spy program has indeed undergone judicial review...And a special foreign intelligence surveillance appeals court set up to review the case confirmed that such &quot;warrantless searches&quot; were completely legal.&quot;

&quot;FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court &quot;held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.&quot; 
The court&#039;s decision went on to say: &quot;We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President&#039;s constitutional power.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ&#8211;This article says that a  FISA Court Approved NSA&#8217;s spying.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/20/131610.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/20/131610.shtml</a></p>
<p>&#8221; Bush&#8217;s so-called &#8220;illegal&#8221; spy program has indeed undergone judicial review&#8230;And a special foreign intelligence surveillance appeals court set up to review the case confirmed that such &#8220;warrantless searches&#8221; were completely legal.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court &#8220;held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.&#8221;<br />
The court&#8217;s decision went on to say: &#8220;We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President&#8217;s constitutional power.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1080/comment-page-1#comment-2996</link>
		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On TV, Cheney is quoted as saying that this program saved thousands of lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On TV, Cheney is quoted as saying that this program saved thousands of lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Snapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you AJ,

I knew that writer was off his rocker to think he is so much smarter than the men running the government and tracking Al Qaeda. 

I love your article; it is terrific.  It&#039;s a shame that you aren&#039;t writing for Newsweek instead of this jerk. I am going to read this many times.

I was so depressed when I read the Newsweek article. It is so ignorant, so arrogant, and so dismissive of the importance of my children&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you AJ,</p>
<p>I knew that writer was off his rocker to think he is so much smarter than the men running the government and tracking Al Qaeda. </p>
<p>I love your article; it is terrific.  It&#8217;s a shame that you aren&#8217;t writing for Newsweek instead of this jerk. I am going to read this many times.</p>
<p>I was so depressed when I read the Newsweek article. It is so ignorant, so arrogant, and so dismissive of the importance of my children&#8217;s lives.</p>
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