I believe you left out an extremely important piece to the puzzle to this FISA, Intellegence, CIA, Secret Courts…etc…etc.

Its real obvious the Bush admnistration has faced a cross fire of leaks and BS rhetorical assertions. The CIA is behind what i believe is an attempt to bring Bush down. This article speaks of an important player in this game besides Wilson and PlameGate and the others you mentioned. I think we agree Joe Wilson isnt a man of integrity. OK hes a ^%*^*%# * liar.

However take notice of this guy. Jim Pavitt whom i believe is our disgruntled CIA director, who has a grudge. He sits in the background and is unnoticed. Mabe im speculating but it seems odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Pavitt

“It is believed Mr. Pavitt and Mr. Tenet’s departures had something to do with the Valerie Plame scandal or with the inability to catch Osama bin Laden.”

NYT slams Pavitt and the CIA.

http://www.geocities.com/dulfkotte/chief.html

Sure, no problem. These are newly released email exchanges from the FBI regarding FISA. I was just trying to illustrate the obstruction being faced by the FBI. The first email, dated October 16, 2003 points out that after 2 years, they might finally get to use the tools authorized by Congress through FISA. The reply says, don’t count on it since they said they will get to the “business records” when they have the time.

The second email, dated May 21, 2004 with the subject MIRACLE, says that they finally got the business records they requested which makes it the first time they received any information in over 2 1/2 years. It also maked it 7 months since their original request.

SBD

Can you dumb these memos down for me? I totally don’t understand what these documents are hinting at. I do see the name Valerie, but when something is anonymous and not labelled, how do I know if it is true?

Thanks!

Thanks for teeing up this issue – again. Rather than dragging their collective feet or setting up hurdles – OIPR should be embarrassed that the FBI has used this valuable tool to fight terrorism – exactly ZERO times. The inability of FBI investigators to use this seemingly effective tool has had a direct and clearly adverse impact on our terrorism cases. Quite frankly, Agents have spent the last 2 years screwing around with weak NSLs or using made up voluntary” NSLs literally begging people to give us information in our terrorism cases (try to get info from xxxxxxxxx . The fact that this new FISA tool has
languish for two years – with no likely usage in the future – is nuts. While radical militant librarians kick us around – true terrorists benefit from OIPR’s failure to let us use the tools given to us. THIS SHOULD BE AN OIPR PRIORITY!!!

In any event – the efforts of NLSB to get this back on track are greatly appreciated. (PS – don’t forget OIPRVs the same story)

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>>> 10/16 2:56 PM >>>
Not surprisingly, we (I should say, Pat Rowan) presented OIPR with a finalized application and proposed order for business records, signed by Valerie, and they were all up in arms because we had not coordinated in advance and had not used the form they had and because we are not authorized to appear before the court and they don’t have enough information about the target and . . . I guess, mainly, they were upset because we wanted to accomplish something without their interference. After Pat went through all their grievances and ask would file something that used their form and met their informational needs, said that it would depend on OIPR priorities. Which means, I guess, that we get business records after
the last of the initiations sitting on their desks has been filed.

Anyway, does anyo t-~sa?Ea~~-~ heard of a business records form that OIPR has already produced. could have it but then conceded that he probably would not. Also, per FISC Rule 9, we are told
that we cannot file something with the court or cannot appear in Court unless we are on some authorized list.’ Does anyone have a “copy of the FISC rules?

I guess it was too good to be true, that we would actually be able to file something with the FISA Court with our names on it and without it being held up by OIPR. More on this saga to come .. . ..

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We got out first business record order signed today! It only took two and a half years.

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SBD