Nov 01 2009
Far Right Screws Up Again
Is it really that hard for the immature far right to show a modicum of respect and allow people to fix a mistake without all the invective and arrogance? Apparently, yes it is.
Dede Scozzafava did the GOP a favor by realizing she was not what the voters wanted and allowing conservativce Hoffman to run ‘unopposed’ against the democrat Owens. But the lack maturity from the far right has not just pushed Scozzafava out of the way, they pushed her all the way into the Democrat’s hands.
If Hoffman loses Tuesday it is because of the same scorched Earth tactics from the far right that gave us Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Even if he ekes win, it will in spite of the arrogant ‘true’ right. This country is being ruined by fringe fanatics.
“That seems to mean that you’re not sure what you want until you see it.”
Yeah, you just don’t get it. It is someone who aligns with a few points that both sides have.
Say, for example, someone who believes in a balanced budget, strong defense, believes we should finish the job in Afghanistan, doesn’t believe in government controlled health care but is pro choice and pro gay rights.
A person like that doesn’t align with either the left OR the right and would likely register “independent”.
I could go along with somene who was pro-choice or even pro-gay rights if they were for a strong defense, finish the job in Afghanistan and a balanced budget. The subject of pro-choice, except in this health care bill, is moot. Roe vs Wade will not be overturned.
About Dede. Her husband is a union thug who has chastised Hoffman for not supporting card check. She herself is a leftie who won the Margaret Sanger award from Planned Parenthood and was endorced by Working Familes. These people don’t do things like that for conservatives.
The local RNC messed up when they nominated her and I doubt they will ever admit it. I would take a bet they never vetted her at all. That seems to be the going thing nowadays. She is even more far left than Owens and we don’t need a republican in congress who would break ranks and vote with the democrats evertune. And she would because she agrees with them totally. With her in the House the dems could claim everything they did was bi partisan.
She is a perfect example of why I don’t particularly like women in politics. Emotional and spiteful when they don’t get their way. Most of them just can’t take the knocks with equnanimity. I don’t know if Sarah Palin has cried about the things the media has said about her but she has the decency to not parade it arond in public like some weak Nellie. Even though I knew it to be false, I was appalled with Hillary crying in the news. What would she do if we were nuked, sit and cry about it or stand up strong and deal with it?
AJ
I wish you would tell me why when everything goes wrong you blame the “far right”. The “far right” had nothing to do with support of Hoffman. That was caused by the GOP running a far, far leftie under their banner as a conservative when a child could see she was nothing of the kind.
Personally I don’t think the federal government belongs in the abortion or gay rights issues, those should be decided by the various states. The problem with the “far right” and the “far left” is that they want to force their social values on the rest of the country from Washington. The far right wants to believe the US is a “Christian” country. The far left wants to believe that America is a socialist country. Reagan had conservative values personally but never tried to shove them down other people’s throats. He believed that the states should do what is best and the people should “vote with their feet”.
The biggest problem I have are the “purists”. It doesn’t matter with them that you stand with them on 99% of the issues, if you have a different opinion on abortion or school prayer or gay rights, you are a “RINO”. And so by demanding “purity” they end up alienating a huge portion of the electorate. People are rarely “purely” anything. They hold a wide range of opinions and so it often comes down to which candidate “sucks least”.
Dede was in favor of the stimulus bill, is this correct?
If so, enough said for me.
Something was rotten with this “pick” of a candidate, imho.
I sent $$ to Hoffman because I thought he better represented my views in a bellweather Congressional race… Send a message I thought… and… from what I could research, Mrs. Scozzafava did not…
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Mrs. Scozzafava seems to be a whiner… and… now an ingrate… Did she or did she not accept a nomination from … and… take lots of $$ from the Republicans only to now endorse a Democrat?
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Gl Tuesday, Mr. Hoffman…
from nationalreviewonline.com:
“Sunday, November 01, 2009
The Real Story [Jonah Goldberg]
I’m writing about this for my USA Today column, but the Frank Rich hissy fit is a perfect example of the real story of the election. The story is not that the GOP is self-destructing, it is that the conventional wisdom is being shown to be ludicrous. For some time now Frank Rich, Sam Tanenhaus and countless others (including David Frum) have been arguing that the GOP is a rump party and the only way for it to survive is for it to embrace me-too Republicanism of one flavor or another. The story of all three major races (VA, NJ, and NY-23) is that this conventional wisdom was incandescently wrong and ill-advised. Hoffman and McDonnell owe their success to the support of independents (the independents all of these people said wanted moderate, Democrat-lite policies) and to Republicans determined to stay true to conservative principles. Not only was the conventional wisdom wrong, the idea that there’s a “civil war” within the GOP revolving around this argument is nonsense. The GOP is an unapologetically conservative party, providing a choice not an echo, and — horror of horrors — it’s working.”
Here is the correct link for the above:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmMwYjhjNWJjY2ZjZjJhYzM0YzZmNDljZThhNjAwNWQ=
The lady quit rather than face an embarrassingly far behind third in a three dog race.
She threw her support behind a far left candidate after enormous pressure from the White House (Rahm) and Democrat Party leaders.
Hard telling what she was offered for her support of the dem.
Her campaign managers are supporting Hoffman bolstering the idea the Chitown thugs either intimidated or bought her off.
Sorry AJ but this whole affair has nothing to do with the far right and everything to do with the Good Old Boy politics of some Good Old Boy GOPers and the heavy handed thugocracy that the majority of the Democrat Party has become under Obama and Company.
It’s a mix. Scozzofava should have known ACORN was toxic no later than the videos being broken by BigGovernment.com and Glenn Beck. She should have SPRINTED away (not just run, and certainly not just walking) from them.
She didn’t. That’s on her. The national GOP backed the GOP candidate – as one would expect them to do.
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The other problem, of course, is that the right has picked this fight much worse than it needs to be. They have not “let the GOP up easy” (Lincoln’s dictum), instead, they are just pushing too hard.
Then they are surprised when moderates decide to dish it back to them? The moderates either are seen to knuckle under – and thus, lose any shred of dignity to be salvaged from the situation – or they have to make the right understand that there will be pushback.
It’s a mess all over the place.
Both sides need to play nice.
Harold,
I play to win – nice is for fools.
somehow I get the idea that some people think the ‘centrists’ can win an election ‘without’ the right or left.
if the centrists support the lefties, the lefties win. If they support the righties, the righties win.
It is only for the centrists to decide if they like leftie things or rightie things.
if the righties remain true, and the lefties remain true, then someone has to compromise their beliefs and hold their nose and support someone they don’t wholly or generally agree with.
CP:
Say, for example, someone who believes in a balanced budget, strong defense, believes we should finish the job in Afghanistan, doesn’t believe in government controlled health care but is pro choice and pro gay rights.
A person like that doesn’t align with either the left OR the right and would likely register “independentâ€.
I don’t really agree with that. while you ‘might’ register ‘independent’ you would vote Republican. No one with those beliefs could support any part of Democrats.
pro choice? do you equate that with pro abortion? I don’t think very many people believe that abortion is NEVER the answer. If any woman were told her fetus had no brain, I’m relatively sure almost 100% would abort. I don’t know the Catholic church’s opinion on that but I’d be surprised if they would prefer a 9 month still born to a 1 month still born.
and I certainly wouldn’t vote against a person just because they allowed (or had) an abortion when it was warranted.
pro gay rights? Do you equate that to two gays being given equal footing, say on adopting a child, with a married couple?
and why would that belief, if you had it, prevent you from voting Republican?
I’m a Republican and I wouldn’t vote against a person because of their sexual living arrangement.
BUT: these items:
a balanced budget, strong defense, believes we should finish the job in Afghanistan, doesn’t believe in government controlled health care
have devastating alternatives, which we are seeing with the present far lefties, aligned with centrists who preferred them.
Bankrupt spending, opening the country to terrorists attacks, surrender in Afghanistan, and a takeover of 1/6th the US economy and a takeover of the control of almost all aspects of human life.
So the prospect of centrists aligning left with all those negatives vs aligning right with some compromise on abortions or gay rights have vastly different implications and consequences.
so if calling a moderate Republican a RINO is a mortal sin for a far rightie, what does it take for a far leftie to commit an equivalent ‘mortal sin’?
what of the present situation where the CinC is ‘dithering’ while people are dying in Afghanistan? At least George Bush didn’t hide under his desk when called on to send more troops.
Redteam, the problem is when you have someone on the left who wants to tax us out of existence and then get someone on the right who is running on a platform of, oh lets say, national outlawing of abortion. I would probably vote for the guy on the right and let every one of my legislative delegation know what I felt on his abortion stand. But thankfully there is no one person in this country (aside from Nancy Pelosi, apparently) who can make a law.
Most of the issues that divide us don’t even belong at the national level in the first place. If the people of a state want government medical insurance, for example, they have every right to make it so at the state level. The federal government doesn’t need to get involved in it. If California wants government health care, they can tax Californians for it. And each state that went that route would be free to try their own solution. With 50 different approaches to a problem, one might be more successful and emulated while another solution might be a disaster and avoided by the others.
This notion of having to do everything from DC in lockstep fashion across the entire nation is a national disaster waiting to happen. There is nothing in this world preventing a state from having universal health care. So why don’t they do it? It has been pretty much a disaster everywhere it has been tried.
Redteam,
Yes, that is the difference between governing democratically (consensus) and oppression (forcing everyone to the views of a minority.
Speaking of holding one’s nose – the center is damn good at it since it has to live with both fringes.
PPP has Hoffman ahead 54-38. Siena will release a new poll soon, however the PPP poll seems to be taking into account a new turnout estimate with Obama’s approval rating in NY-23 at 39%. If PPP’s new turnout model proves accurate a 55-40-5 result would not be surprising. I would be more confident though if Rasmussen would poll in NY-23.
No new polls in CA-10. The 32% republican turnout model does seem a little low in a special election. That is the biggest problem with polling, predicting the proper turnout. Rasmussen does it the best (which everyone here complained about in 2008 when Rasmussen predicted a D+7 turnout). I wish Rasmussen would do a poll in CA-10 but I don’t have enough money. Scott Rasmussen needs to get Fox News (not according to Obama) to pay for a poll.
In NJ, PPP has it 47-41-11. That is consistent with Rasmussen’s 46-43-8. A 48-44-8 outcome tomorrow would be a huge victory for republicans although if Christie would hit 50% I don’t think all the absentee balots from the dead would make any difference. It just shows you that Christie is ahead that the Dems are trying to cheat so far ahead of Election Day.
The far right can certainly screw up from time to time. However, this is not one of those times. I think the far right saved the GOP in this race. Both the national tea party groups and Independents support Hoffman more than the other two candidates for a reason.
From what I’ve been reading, it appears Scozzofava was courted by the hightest ranking Dems (all the way to the White House)…and probably given some political payback promises for her support. And, what is this I am hearing that Scozzofava’s husband has been meeting with Dems about her switiching parties months ago???? Yep…..I think the conservative right saved the GOP on this one.
CP
the problem is when you have someone on the left who wants to tax us out of existence and then get someone on the right who is running on a platform of, oh lets say, national outlawing of abortion
you’re right, but the problem is, we really do have people such as Obama that wants to do the one, tax us out of existence, but we don’t have people that want to do the other. I don’t know one politician who’s no. 1 scheme is outlawing abortion. I do know one who’s no. 1 scheme is to tax us out of existence.
Most national politicians accept that Roe v Wade will never be overturned.
AJ, those on the near right have to do a lot of nose holding also, for example to support McCain.
What goes up, must come down, Spinnin wheel, got to go round.
AJ needs to move to Kansas. He’s lost in the http://sperryfiles.com/corridor.shtml
Stevevvs,
Your time here is nearly up. Take a hike for a while, or leave for good.