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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWS:

Well you know, sometimes you do have to wonder. Look at Detroit and Chicago and even the city of DC and try to understand how it is that the people keep electing these idiots. It makes a person cynical. It really does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWS:</p>
<p>Well you know, sometimes you do have to wonder. Look at Detroit and Chicago and even the city of DC and try to understand how it is that the people keep electing these idiots. It makes a person cynical. It really does.</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I shouldn&#039;t be so pessimistic, although it&#039;s hard to believe in a state that turned the Kennedy&#039;s into defacto royalty.   Still, even Michigan may elect a Rep Governor next year, so wonders may indeed happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I shouldn&#8217;t be so pessimistic, although it&#8217;s hard to believe in a state that turned the Kennedy&#8217;s into defacto royalty.   Still, even Michigan may elect a Rep Governor next year, so wonders may indeed happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/12176/comment-page-1#comment-510393</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

I heard that. I was shocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p>I heard that. I was shocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crosspatch:

That is pretty funny. and sadly apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crosspatch:</p>
<p>That is pretty funny. and sadly apt.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorgan just announced his retirement from the Senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorgan just announced his retirement from the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye ... there is an old joke about an election in MA where the results were the Democrat had a million votes and the Republican had two.  When asked what he thought of the results, the Democrat said  &quot;The bahstahd voted twice!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye &#8230; there is an old joke about an election in MA where the results were the Democrat had a million votes and the Republican had two.  When asked what he thought of the results, the Democrat said  &#8220;The bahstahd voted twice!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWS:

I am not so sure about that. I think MA is just a traditional Democratic stronghold and people vote out of partisan loyalty. I don&#039;t think they have to cheat in that state, people actually vote to elect these people. Now, if people really do want a change, they can still make that happen...if they bother to turn up and vote for that change. If you say it does not matter if or how these people vote, then that in and of itself can become a self fulfilling prophecy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWS:</p>
<p>I am not so sure about that. I think MA is just a traditional Democratic stronghold and people vote out of partisan loyalty. I don&#8217;t think they have to cheat in that state, people actually vote to elect these people. Now, if people really do want a change, they can still make that happen&#8230;if they bother to turn up and vote for that change. If you say it does not matter if or how these people vote, then that in and of itself can become a self fulfilling prophecy.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dhunter:

There is no Tea Party party. That is just a fact. The Tea Party is a movement, not  a party and the people in that movement are all over the place on just about every issue but fiscal spending. I doubt very much if they could unify to make a party, I think they would probably turn on each other if they tried to. They will accomplish more by putting pressure on the existing parties.

I heard that Brown said he had gotten everything he needed and asked for from the national GOP. The idea that he did not came from some article in the Boston press...who just happen to be very pro Democrat. It might well be that the stories about a lack of support are intended to undermine the Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dhunter:</p>
<p>There is no Tea Party party. That is just a fact. The Tea Party is a movement, not  a party and the people in that movement are all over the place on just about every issue but fiscal spending. I doubt very much if they could unify to make a party, I think they would probably turn on each other if they tried to. They will accomplish more by putting pressure on the existing parties.</p>
<p>I heard that Brown said he had gotten everything he needed and asked for from the national GOP. The idea that he did not came from some article in the Boston press&#8230;who just happen to be very pro Democrat. It might well be that the stories about a lack of support are intended to undermine the Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rasmuussen&#039;s poll is interesting to say the least. Brown is shown only winning 70% of the Republicans but his supporters are more enthusiastic? He is shown way ahead with independents but independents only make up 27% of the turnout. 

The turnout model is really interesting. In 2008 the MA turnout was 17R-43I-40D. Rasmussen has the special election as 21R-27I-52D. The theory is that in special elections the hyper-partisans show up and the independent middle stays home. 

Now, Scott Rasmussen is a highly trained professional and one doubts his models at ones own peril. He over polls both Dems/Reps, liberals/conservatives and under polls independents and moderates. 

I wonder if he does another poll next week and adjusts his turnout model. The two point difference his publishes as an after thought may contain some clues. To pick up 7 points one could decrease the number of Reps who support Coakley that vote or decrease the democratic turnout or increase the independent turnout or any combination of the three above factors. 

This race seems to be fluid and Brown would seem to have a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rasmuussen&#8217;s poll is interesting to say the least. Brown is shown only winning 70% of the Republicans but his supporters are more enthusiastic? He is shown way ahead with independents but independents only make up 27% of the turnout. </p>
<p>The turnout model is really interesting. In 2008 the MA turnout was 17R-43I-40D. Rasmussen has the special election as 21R-27I-52D. The theory is that in special elections the hyper-partisans show up and the independent middle stays home. </p>
<p>Now, Scott Rasmussen is a highly trained professional and one doubts his models at ones own peril. He over polls both Dems/Reps, liberals/conservatives and under polls independents and moderates. </p>
<p>I wonder if he does another poll next week and adjusts his turnout model. The two point difference his publishes as an after thought may contain some clues. To pick up 7 points one could decrease the number of Reps who support Coakley that vote or decrease the democratic turnout or increase the independent turnout or any combination of the three above factors. </p>
<p>This race seems to be fluid and Brown would seem to have a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Frogg1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frogg1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown is swimming upstream and it would take a perfect storm for him to squeak through a victory.   However, there was a very interesting nugget in that Rasmussen poll:

&quot;Special elections are typically decided by who shows up to vote and it is clear from the data that Brownâ€™s supporters are more enthusiastic. In fact, among those who are absolutely certain they will vote, Brown pulls to within two points of Coakley.&quot;

Do I dare hope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown is swimming upstream and it would take a perfect storm for him to squeak through a victory.   However, there was a very interesting nugget in that Rasmussen poll:</p>
<p>&#8220;Special elections are typically decided by who shows up to vote and it is clear from the data that Brownâ€™s supporters are more enthusiastic. In fact, among those who are absolutely certain they will vote, Brown pulls to within two points of Coakley.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do I dare hope?</p>
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		<title>By: cmhyland</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmhyland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an Independent running in this race by the name of Joseph L. Kennedy. No relation to Ted but most voters are so poorly informed that some will vote because it&#039;s a Kennedy not knowing it&#039;s a Libertarian.  This should strip some votes from Coakley and maybe enough to upset the polls....


Nice little piece of Karmic Backlash since this is the way JFK won is first seat...  Dad paid someone with the same name as his opposition to run as an independent and split the votes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an Independent running in this race by the name of Joseph L. Kennedy. No relation to Ted but most voters are so poorly informed that some will vote because it&#8217;s a Kennedy not knowing it&#8217;s a Libertarian.  This should strip some votes from Coakley and maybe enough to upset the polls&#8230;.</p>
<p>Nice little piece of Karmic Backlash since this is the way JFK won is first seat&#8230;  Dad paid someone with the same name as his opposition to run as an independent and split the votes..</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things to note:

1.  Unaffiliated voters are the least likely to vote.   While they are the fastest growing demographic in the electorate, their voting numbers are &quot;dismal&quot; and being disenchanted with the political system, they often &quot;sit out&quot; elections.  Take the military as an example.  Less than 5% of service members cast ballots in off year elections.

2.  If the unaffiliated voters become energized and show up at the polls, then &quot;everything you think you know is wrong&quot;.  Independents are unpredictable, fickle, and can change their mind while standing in line to vote.  This means that polling data from Independent voters is often unreliable and volatile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things to note:</p>
<p>1.  Unaffiliated voters are the least likely to vote.   While they are the fastest growing demographic in the electorate, their voting numbers are &#8220;dismal&#8221; and being disenchanted with the political system, they often &#8220;sit out&#8221; elections.  Take the military as an example.  Less than 5% of service members cast ballots in off year elections.</p>
<p>2.  If the unaffiliated voters become energized and show up at the polls, then &#8220;everything you think you know is wrong&#8221;.  Independents are unpredictable, fickle, and can change their mind while standing in line to vote.  This means that polling data from Independent voters is often unreliable and volatile.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob and hunter,

The real reason I was seeing is to not spook the Democrats into turning out. If the Dems stay complacent and the GOP and Indies surge it will happen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob and hunter,</p>
<p>The real reason I was seeing is to not spook the Democrats into turning out. If the Dems stay complacent and the GOP and Indies surge it will happen</p>
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		<title>By: WWS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too much fraud engineered into Massachusetts by now.   Brown could win 60% of the votes actually cast and it still would come out as a 48 - 52 loss.  

Massachusetts is no longer a democracy - it is a liberal oligarchy which finds it useful to pay lip service to the pretense of democracy for public relations purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too much fraud engineered into Massachusetts by now.   Brown could win 60% of the votes actually cast and it still would come out as a 48 &#8211; 52 loss.  </p>
<p>Massachusetts is no longer a democracy &#8211; it is a liberal oligarchy which finds it useful to pay lip service to the pretense of democracy for public relations purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: dhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobsunshine,

Perhaps the Republican leadership has made a decision that they would rather have HealthScare as a campaign issue to run against rather than saving the citizens from a socialist takeover of 1/6 of the economy and giving us Crappycare in the process!

I don&#039;t trust any party except the TEA PARTY! Throw em all out (except my House member Steve King) and make the new ones undo the damage the carreerists have done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobsunshine,</p>
<p>Perhaps the Republican leadership has made a decision that they would rather have HealthScare as a campaign issue to run against rather than saving the citizens from a socialist takeover of 1/6 of the economy and giving us Crappycare in the process!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t trust any party except the TEA PARTY! Throw em all out (except my House member Steve King) and make the new ones undo the damage the carreerists have done!</p>
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