Feb 25 2010
Obamacare Crashing & Burning, Taking Dems Down With It
You know it is incredibly politically stupid to do something 73% of the American public don’t want done:
Twenty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say Congress should pass legislation similar to the bills passed by both chambers, with 48 percent saying lawmakers should work on an entirely new bill and a quarter saying Congress should stop all work on health care reform.
- 25% support
- 48+25 = 73% oppose
President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid are going to go down in history as one of the most inept gang of leaders this nation has ever seen. When 73% of the people say “Stop!” and you say “Hell No!” the ‘rahmifications’ are clear.
November will be a political blood bath, one the Democrat Party may never recover from. We could be seeing the end of a national party unfolding before our eyes. And no one is going to shed a single tear over it.
No wonder only 10% now approve of this abysmal, Democrat led Congress, and 71% see them as performing poorly.
It just makes me laugh that they Dimmocrats (esp. Obabbler) all seem to think they’re geniuses and that they are the ones we’ve been waiting for. This conclusion is supported by no reality that I can imagine, let alone the one that exists. C’est la vie. An organization that compromised deserves to expire.
As much as I would wish the “Left” would dissappear, I think its an over-statement to predict the demise of the Democrat Party. The same kinds of statements were tossed about regarding the Republican Party (Conservatism) a couple of years ago.
Yes the Democrats will lose some seats in both wings of congress come November. However, 30 to 40% of the population generally thinks along leftist lines and 25% are hard line leftist.
In the yen – yang of politics, they will be back, because they will never quite leave.
Democrats hold summit, and a Tea Party breaks out.
and then you have Tom Harkin saying “you know, we may be closer than we think to getting something we can all agree on”
That’s the problem with this summit. The Repubs started with a demand and caved first thing. “We want you to agree that you’re not going ahead with reconciliation”
Obama said ‘forget that’ we’ll talk about that later. Caving?……
oneal lane,
you may be right. But there is a case to be made were the credibility damage is too much to overcome.
It sounds as if the Republicans did a pretty good job at that summit today. They had lots of facts and figures and alternative plans.
I agree Terrye but don’t think the DIMS didn’t have one issue down pat. That is the very best I have heard explained about the black hole that some Americans fall into. You never hear a Repub address this issue and think to yourself that they know what they are actually talking about. Never. DIMS came to the table talking the actual language that those that fell into those 5-10 thousand deductibles really face. I was impressed. This is another of those things that may not affect the large majority, but those that know about it would just like to shake Repubs because you can tell they are CLUELESS. I’m not saying do anything about it. Just quit being so dumb about it.
All that said, I vote do nothing.
AJ,
I hope you are correct in your assessment.
So it now appears Obama is going “nuclear,” Do you think he will succeed?
O’neal, I don’t think Obama has anything to go “nuclear” with. He may push the button, but he’s left with nothing but a wet firecracker.
This summit wasn’t about coming up with a new plan or compromise – we all knew that going in. This was about trying to make a good enough public show to convince the wavering dems that voting for this won’t be suicide in the fall.
Everything I’ve read today tells me they failed in that, and that the attending republicans made a good case for starting over. A tie goes to the republicans, since the dems had to make their case overwhelmingly to get this going. They didn’t, and that also proves that Boehner and the others who felt it was better to engage actively than to walk out were in fact correct in their judgment – that should not be ignored, they played this hand well.
Forget about reconciliation either way, it doesn’t matter – the Dems no longer have the votes to pass this in the House.
And the stripped down bill being talked about is probably dead, too. We are looking at the Mother of all Epic Fails right here.
owl said:
DIMS came to the table talking the actual language that those that fell into those 5-10 thousand deductibles really face. I was impressed.
Doesn’t take much to impress you?
so many ‘stories’ can’t remember them all, but one where someone had cancer, used up all insurance, died. implication is that if insurance hadn’t run out, would still be alive. horse hockey. NO ONE in this country dies because they don’t have health insurance, it just doesn’t happen. They may die of ignorance (not knowing that all they had to do was go to hospital, it’ll be covered) but not because of no insurance.
Whew, Obama needed his teleprompter today, never heard so many uh, uh, uh, so,, so,, so….
malpractice. Woman got her face burned in hospital due to fire. limited to $250,000 pain and suffering. Statement that was not enough. I may agree, but if you get killed on the job, lose an arm, leg, or eye, workman’s comp will only pay what is mandatory. Usually about $75,000. No pain and suffering. What’s the difference. allowing a suit just enriches lawyers. Just raise the mandatory payouts, so give her a million, two million. Just make sure she gets it, not some trial shyster.
I meant to say also, As someone else pointed out, this is not about trying to convince Republicans to vote for it, it’s about trying to convince Democrats to vote for it. If they had 100% solidarity, they could pass it regardless of what Repubs do.
Personally, I think it’s dead as presently formulated, but until we hear the death rattle, you never know.
[…] It is ridiculous. Â I mean really ridiculous. Everyone knows the Democrats are looking for their Holy Grail of government controlled health care (they let that slip all the time when they moan about a century of work), and putting tort reform or government insurance pools in the mix as if this will hide their true intentions and resulting damage is not fooling anyone. The problem is not gaining GOP fig leafs, they don’t NEED GOP votes. They need to start over or stop all together – which is what 73% of the people of this nation want. […]
> President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid
The Democrat version of the Gang of Four.
They couldn’t even manage to get the count correct.
Are you nuts or what Redteam?
This reminds me of illegal immigration. You only hear what you want to hear and your mind is made up.
If you had one of those policies, you either fell into the group that wanted to save money………..or………….the only group that would take you. Hellooooo??? I’m not talking the political sob stories told today, only that twice I actually heard DIMS explain that hole correctly.
“hey may die of ignorance (not knowing that all they had to do was go to hospital, it’ll be covered) but not because of no insurance.”
Yep, you actually said that.
Notice I believe it would be nice for something to be done but do not believe the majority should suffer for it.
Overall, the Repubs did better than expected.
When you consider the high unemployment and the staggering debt being run up — once Americans figure out it’s being done on purpose … boom.
See “Rave Reviews for Republicans”
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/9872
And Eric Cantor was terrific as was Lamar Alexander.They all did well and I know this for sure now because O’Reilly could barely bring himself to say anything nice about the republicans after they were up against a slick trap (supposedly) set by democrats.
Are you nuts or what Redteam?
a ‘namecaller’ eh, must be a Dimocrat.
I’m almost 70 and have never been without health insurance, never.
I always paid for it, I have never billed anyone else to pay for my insurance and I don’t desire to pay for insurance for someone else.
If a person has a pre-existing condition, there should be a fund that high risk people pay an average premium into that pays the insurance claims.
Kinda like auto insurance. If you have a pre-existing condition on your automobile, as in, you just had a wreck and don’t have insurance, good luck in getting any insurance co. to cover the wreck you already had. But, say you don’t have auto insurance but have had several speeding tickets and several claims and a couple DUI’s then expect to get your coverage from a ‘high risk’ fund and to pay a little more for it. But the pre-existing health problem shouldn’t cause MY premium to go up.
OK owl, prove your point. tell me one person that you personally know of that died because they didn’t have health insurance. I’ve known a lot of people that died of cancer, heart trouble, etc, but not one case of ‘lack of insurance’.
So, just what is this ‘hole’ you are referring to? I heard quite a bit of the summit today and the only hole I heard of was the donut hole on prescription drugs, so I’m not singing your praises about their ‘great description’ of it.
Maybe you had your mind made up and just heard what you wanted to hear.
try to make your argument on facts, not name calling.
The hold is filled with water and the decks are a wash, but Tem Obama is strapping themselves to the masts
Redteam, I seldom engage in these personal back and forth attacks but you seem determined to single me out. Why? You took personal offense that someone else had a different opinion on one tiny part of the discussion. After all, you were so smart (I call it lucky) that you paid for your health insurance all your life. Bravo.
You seem to skip a step in there between someone paying for their insurance and pre-existing conditions. Has it ever dawned on you that someone could have paid for their insurance for 40 years and during that time they developed that pre-existing condition? What if the company they worked for went under, or changed who was covered in the large pool? I’m sure there are many other ways to lose it. You are then in an older age group looking for insurance. Guess what? They don’t want you. You now have that pre-existing condition with some age. Good luck with your choices. Sure you can find one. They will charge you an arm and a leg, put riders on it put you into the 5-10 thousand deductible. Prices for most tests fall within this range. Now you are paying an extremely high monthly fee, plus the extremely high costs of any tests, etc. It doesn’t stop. You could pay that 5-10 thousand in Dec and then turn around and do it again in Feb. That is the hole.
You are correct that I do not know a single person that died. I do know when someone is talking about this problem without a clue. Before you pat yourself on the back for your smarts and work, you might consider giving thanks.
I never said the majority should pay for the lazy or the unlucky. Never. I don’t believe they should. That’s life.