Comments on: NSA Story Is A Liberal Tissue Of Lies http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290 High Flying Political Debate Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:03:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: frank567890 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4227 frank567890 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:22:41 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4227 <i>I have to say John Hindraker has the best analogy out there for legal, warrantless searches - airline searches of bags and person. How is it we all missed THAT one!</i> Perhaps we missed it because airline searches are <i>legal</i>, while wiretapping without a warrent is <i>illegal</i>. If we should rescind the FISA court's authority with regard to national security wiretapping, perhaps we should have that debate, instead of defending a blatant disregard for the laws of our country? I have to say John Hindraker has the best analogy out there for legal, warrantless searches – airline searches of bags and person. How is it we all missed THAT one!

Perhaps we missed it because airline searches are legal, while wiretapping without a warrent is illegal.

If we should rescind the FISA court’s authority with regard to national security wiretapping, perhaps we should have that debate, instead of defending a blatant disregard for the laws of our country?

]]> By: The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Democrats Surrender On NSA http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4216 The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Democrats Surrender On NSA Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:51:20 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4216 [...] What changed was Bush simply ordered the NSA to pass to the FBI the leads they get on persons in the US from monitoring terrorists overseas - instead of the historic process of destroying those leads. The Democrats know this and that is why they will never be true to their propaganda. [...] [...] What changed was Bush simply ordered the NSA to pass to the FBI the leads they get on persons in the US from monitoring terrorists overseas – instead of the historic process of destroying those leads. The Democrats know this and that is why they will never be true to their propaganda. [...]

]]> By: Snapple http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4174 Snapple Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:59:14 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4174 Look at this quote from a CIA official. If you read between the lines, you can see that part of the problem is that some terrorists---perhaps some very important ones----at Americans. "Since Sept. 11, 2001, a former CIA official said, "there is a lot of discussion" among analysts "that we shouldn't be dividing Americans and foreigners, but terrorists and non-terrorists." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/04/AR2006020401373.html That is why the ACLU and the so-called "human rights" organizations are screaming. They know that some of the terrorists are Americans. They are screaming that the NSA is "spying on Americans" as if all Americans are innocent. I think they are spying on Americans who are terrorists. We have terrorists here who are Americans, who are not Muslims, and who are collaborating with foreign radicals. These traitors are trying to act lilke they are innocent dissidents who are being framed as terrorists for their dissent. It's a lie. They are terrorists who are pretending to be dissidents. Look at this quote from a CIA official. If you read between the lines, you can see that part of the problem is that some terrorists—perhaps some very important ones—-at Americans.

“Since Sept. 11, 2001, a former CIA official said, “there is a lot of discussion” among analysts “that we shouldn’t be dividing Americans and foreigners, but terrorists and non-terrorists.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/04/AR2006020401373.html

That is why the ACLU and the so-called “human rights” organizations are screaming. They know that some of the terrorists are Americans. They are screaming that the NSA is “spying on Americans” as if all Americans are innocent.

I think they are spying on Americans who are terrorists. We have terrorists here who are Americans, who are not Muslims, and who are collaborating with foreign radicals. These traitors are trying to act lilke they are innocent dissidents who are being framed as terrorists for their dissent.

It’s a lie. They are terrorists who are pretending to be dissidents.

]]> By: Decision '08 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4173 Decision '08 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:37:54 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4173 <strong>What If They Held A Hearing…</strong> …and the only attendees were pieces of paper? That’s the thought that goes through my head reading this TIME preview of the planned testimony of Alberto Gonzales, as the NSA program hearing begins Monday. It’s really quite surreal ... What If They Held A Hearing…

…and the only attendees were pieces of paper? That’s the thought that goes through my head reading this TIME preview of the planned testimony of Alberto Gonzales, as the NSA program hearing begins Monday. It’s really quite surreal …

]]> By: Stop The ACLU http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4172 Stop The ACLU Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:57:00 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4172 <strong>Terrorist Seeks To Get Off the Hook Due To NSA Surveillance</strong> Hat tip: Jawa Report Why does the ACLU seek FOIA files on the NSA Surveillance program? Perhaps this can shed a little light on the subject. We could all see this coming. Back in December, Iyman Faris, the only named American target of the Nationa... Terrorist Seeks To Get Off the Hook Due To NSA Surveillance

Hat tip: Jawa Report
Why does the ACLU seek FOIA files on the NSA Surveillance program? Perhaps this can shed a little light on the subject.
We could all see this coming.
Back in December, Iyman Faris, the only named American target of the Nationa…

]]> By: The Anchoress » Down with the flu - the world rages on http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4171 The Anchoress » Down with the flu - the world rages on Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:23:40 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4171 [...] AJ Strata looks at a WaPo article and concludes the NSA flap is yet another fake scandal. He’s pretty persuasive. [...] [...] AJ Strata looks at a WaPo article and concludes the NSA flap is yet another fake scandal. He’s pretty persuasive. [...]

]]> By: MerryJ1 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1290/comment-page-1#comment-4166 MerryJ1 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:41:32 +0000 http://strata-sphere.com/blog/?p=1290#comment-4166 AJ, take another look at the Colleen Rowley letter to Mueller. FBI supervisors, prior to 9/11, shied away from seeking FISA warrants (and essentially killed investigations) because a FISA head judge (not the current one, I think they rotate) had whistled Janet Reno in, excoriated one of the FBI supervisors, alleging over 120 faulty warrant requests, banned him from ever submitting another request, and destroyed his career. Freeh, then the Director, sat on his hands, even though the IG investigation cleared the supervisor. That is what Rowley's allusion to 'career risks' was about (recall, her letter was about failure to request a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui's computer). Some of the FISA judges wanted to retain the Gorelick wall, even after 9/11 -- and the Gorelick wall went up when too many embarrassing questions were raised by FISA referrals to the DOJ over NSA interceptions from Red China (Hello, Riady, Johnny Chang, John Juang, Mr Wu and the boys from Beijing). The Wash Post item you quoted has it wrong on another front, too, and you had it right last week: NSA is not restricted by law from domestic intercepts, it's NSA internal policy. You ran a portion of the Church report that spelled that out. And, you're right, that Rockefeller and Graham should both be called before a Grand Jury. AJ, take another look at the Colleen Rowley letter to Mueller. FBI supervisors, prior to 9/11, shied away from seeking FISA warrants (and essentially killed investigations) because a FISA head judge (not the current one, I think they rotate) had whistled Janet Reno in, excoriated one of the FBI supervisors, alleging over 120 faulty warrant requests, banned him from ever submitting another request, and destroyed his career. Freeh, then the Director, sat on his hands, even though the IG investigation cleared the supervisor.

That is what Rowley’s allusion to ‘career risks’ was about (recall, her letter was about failure to request a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui’s computer).

Some of the FISA judges wanted to retain the Gorelick wall, even after 9/11 — and the Gorelick wall went up when too many embarrassing questions were raised by FISA referrals to the DOJ over NSA interceptions from Red China (Hello, Riady, Johnny Chang, John Juang, Mr Wu and the boys from Beijing).

The Wash Post item you quoted has it wrong on another front, too, and you had it right last week: NSA is not restricted by law from domestic intercepts, it’s NSA internal policy. You ran a portion of the Church report that spelled that out.

And, you’re right, that Rockefeller and Graham should both be called before a Grand Jury.

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