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		<title>By: ordi</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4332</link>
		<dc:creator>ordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observer, 

There were NO facts in your post.  And I quote your post:

&lt;i&gt;After Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby the head of the CIA and DeLay all go to jail for violating the Laws of the United States as passed by Congress. Then someone points out that President Bush ROUTINELY declassifies stories so he can use them politically. Then, and only then will I suggest the Press should also be jailed. That includes ALL of Fox since they also, ROUTINELY, lie through their teeth, then claim they were &#039;defending America.&#039; &lt;/i&gt;

There are NO Facts there!  

In this case, legality comes from the Constitution not from Congress or the  Judiciary.   If Congress passes a law outside it&#039;s authority, that law itself is illegal.  

You might think the Executive Power does not extend to eavesdropping on calls made by our enemies to our residents.  Calling the President&#039;s actions illegal because they went against one Congressional statute is ignoring the biggest issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, </p>
<p>There were NO facts in your post.  And I quote your post:</p>
<p><i>After Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby the head of the CIA and DeLay all go to jail for violating the Laws of the United States as passed by Congress. Then someone points out that President Bush ROUTINELY declassifies stories so he can use them politically. Then, and only then will I suggest the Press should also be jailed. That includes ALL of Fox since they also, ROUTINELY, lie through their teeth, then claim they were &#8216;defending America.&#8217; </i></p>
<p>There are NO Facts there!  </p>
<p>In this case, legality comes from the Constitution not from Congress or the  Judiciary.   If Congress passes a law outside it&#8217;s authority, that law itself is illegal.  </p>
<p>You might think the Executive Power does not extend to eavesdropping on calls made by our enemies to our residents.  Calling the President&#8217;s actions illegal because they went against one Congressional statute is ignoring the biggest issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4322</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is are&quot;? Actually, I&#039;m one of those few independents that still try to point out facts to people of both sides who aren&#039;t listening to anything except their own propaganda. The American Journal of Psychology just published a study which indicated that ALL people, not just Dem/Reps tend to ignore any evidence they don&#039;t agree with while citing lots and lots of half-truths and lies which shore up their own position.
I do notice that more Democrats in Congress have military experience that Republicans. Quite a change from 20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is are&#8221;? Actually, I&#8217;m one of those few independents that still try to point out facts to people of both sides who aren&#8217;t listening to anything except their own propaganda. The American Journal of Psychology just published a study which indicated that ALL people, not just Dem/Reps tend to ignore any evidence they don&#8217;t agree with while citing lots and lots of half-truths and lies which shore up their own position.<br />
I do notice that more Democrats in Congress have military experience that Republicans. Quite a change from 20 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: ordi</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4301</link>
		<dc:creator>ordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, yes the drive-by Observer packed so many facts into his/her post, it makes me change my mind.  NOT!  

Wishful post Observer.  (I&#039;d say wishful thinking but thinking is something Observer is are not doing.  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, yes the drive-by Observer packed so many facts into his/her post, it makes me change my mind.  NOT!  </p>
<p>Wishful post Observer.  (I&#8217;d say wishful thinking but thinking is something Observer is are not doing.  )</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby  the head of the CIA and DeLay all go to jail for violating the Laws of the United States as passed by Congress. Then someone points out that President Bush ROUTINELY declassifies stories so he can use them politically. Then, and only then will I suggest the Press should also be jailed. That includes ALL of Fox since they also, ROUTINELY, lie through their teeth, then claim they were &quot;defending America.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After Cheney, Rumsfield, Libby  the head of the CIA and DeLay all go to jail for violating the Laws of the United States as passed by Congress. Then someone points out that President Bush ROUTINELY declassifies stories so he can use them politically. Then, and only then will I suggest the Press should also be jailed. That includes ALL of Fox since they also, ROUTINELY, lie through their teeth, then claim they were &#8220;defending America.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MerryJ1</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4290</link>
		<dc:creator>MerryJ1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing but contempt for the reporters and publications that run with these stories, and have no qualms about seeing them sit in the slammer under Contempt for refusing to name their sources on classified info leaks.

That said, I would not support criminal charges (other than Obstruction, a given situation warranting same) against the media types for doing what they do, no matter how repugnant their individual priorities and ethics.

The criminals I want to see buried under federal penitentiaries for leaking classified information are those entrusted with access to it, especially as part of their professional or job responsibilities.

And in instances such as the NSA/FISA and &quot;secret CIA prisons&quot; leaks, where the apparent motive for leaking is to affect domestic political and election circumstances, I&#039;d opt for sentences of Life Without Parole, or even a death penalty (and I oppose capital punishment for run-of-the-mill murder and mayhem).

One word, though, about those journalists who may think they can become First Amendment heroes by sitting out a &quot;life of the Grand Jury&quot; stint of a few weeks or months: 

A 1986 federal charge and conviction of Criminal Contempt for Obstructing Justice, was based on the Defendant&#039;s Fifth Amendment plea before a Grand Jury and (in spite of) &#039;Life of the Grand Jury&#039; incarceration for 4 months, was confirmed by an appeals court (prior jeopardy ruled not applicable), appealed to the Supreme Court with cert denied, and the Defendant was sentenced to and served four years in a Minnesota federal pen.

Notice that the First Amendment merely prohibits &quot;abridging freedom ...  of the press,&quot; it doesn&#039;t address &quot;protecting anonymity of sources,&quot; while the Fifth Amendment&#039;s &quot;... nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...&quot; is seemingly an absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing but contempt for the reporters and publications that run with these stories, and have no qualms about seeing them sit in the slammer under Contempt for refusing to name their sources on classified info leaks.</p>
<p>That said, I would not support criminal charges (other than Obstruction, a given situation warranting same) against the media types for doing what they do, no matter how repugnant their individual priorities and ethics.</p>
<p>The criminals I want to see buried under federal penitentiaries for leaking classified information are those entrusted with access to it, especially as part of their professional or job responsibilities.</p>
<p>And in instances such as the NSA/FISA and &#8220;secret CIA prisons&#8221; leaks, where the apparent motive for leaking is to affect domestic political and election circumstances, I&#8217;d opt for sentences of Life Without Parole, or even a death penalty (and I oppose capital punishment for run-of-the-mill murder and mayhem).</p>
<p>One word, though, about those journalists who may think they can become First Amendment heroes by sitting out a &#8220;life of the Grand Jury&#8221; stint of a few weeks or months: </p>
<p>A 1986 federal charge and conviction of Criminal Contempt for Obstructing Justice, was based on the Defendant&#8217;s Fifth Amendment plea before a Grand Jury and (in spite of) &#8216;Life of the Grand Jury&#8217; incarceration for 4 months, was confirmed by an appeals court (prior jeopardy ruled not applicable), appealed to the Supreme Court with cert denied, and the Defendant was sentenced to and served four years in a Minnesota federal pen.</p>
<p>Notice that the First Amendment merely prohibits &#8220;abridging freedom &#8230;  of the press,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t address &#8220;protecting anonymity of sources,&#8221; while the Fifth Amendment&#8217;s &#8220;&#8230; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself&#8230;&#8221; is seemingly an absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: tgharris</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1319/comment-page-1#comment-4288</link>
		<dc:creator>tgharris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how the NYT still refers to the &quot;domestic eavesdropping program&quot;....that ANYONE who has been paying attention KNOWS is limited to calls with one end OUT OF the country? 

Is this stupidity, bias, or wishful thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how the NYT still refers to the &#8220;domestic eavesdropping program&#8221;&#8230;.that ANYONE who has been paying attention KNOWS is limited to calls with one end OUT OF the country? </p>
<p>Is this stupidity, bias, or wishful thinking?</p>
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