Jan 19 2011

Liberal vs. Libertarian

Published by at 7:37 am under All General Discussions

This Congress is going to be one for the history books. Not just because of the GOP’s sweeping wins last November, but because for once we will have an debate about the minimal role of government. The Tea Party centrists (and it is mostly independent libertarians in the movement, no matter how hard social conservatives claim otherwise) will be holding the entire Congress to come address how to best shrink government down to its bare essentials and free the American people to pursue life, liberty and happiness without Big Brother Nag wasting our time and money.

We know the rule from We The People is no new taxes or projects. We know the rule is no more back room trading and business as usual. We know there can be no more hyper-partisanship (let the losing side have a try and creating support, stop being afraid of debate). We know the rule is to cut the deficit and live within our tolerance (not soak us to the point we scream ‘enough!’).

The debate will be long and hard on Obamacare and the silliness of Human-made Global Warming. Pass the popcorn and may the truth win out in the openness of free debate.

15 responses so far

15 Responses to “Liberal vs. Libertarian”

  1. lurker9876 says:

    When the GOP came out with the rules that new bills must reference the US Constitution, I knew that the Dems will try and find ways to reference their bills to the US Constitution no matter how serious they are.

    Sure enough, Sheila Jackson Lee used the US Constitution to argue that the repeal of ObamaCare IS unconstitutional.

    We’ll see more of such idiotic debates.

    Perhaps the House should start having some constitutional lessons?

  2. WWS says:

    I saw that, Lurker. Sheila Jackson Lee’s comments were some of the most embarrasing legal gibberish I have ever heard; she is seriously claiming that it is “unconstitutional” to ever reverse any piece of legislation, and that cutting spending in any way violates peoples “rights”. That’s the straight path to national bankruptcy in a nutshell, but she don’t care.

    Well, at least Texas made a big statement for the Libertarian position yesterday. Preliminary budget was released, $13 Billion in cuts, no tax increases. (there of course will be some tinkering as the session plays out) So far we’re doing better than the Federal Govm’t in TOTAL terms, which is amazing –

    and our budget WILL be balanced. Guaranteed.

  3. lurker9876 says:

    wws, I saw the headlines in this morning’s Chron. Many claim that if they cut the budget, the services will be cut, too.

    I, for one, do not agree with this connection. I believe that they can still provide the same level of services with less money since many employees lacked the work ethics and incentive to work hard.

    And the government needs to pass back the torch to churches and more charities to help those in need and help them get back to work if they are capable to.

    Perry has been asked the question of the budget shortfalls that IF he wants to run again or for the WH, then he has to address the budget shortfalls in the next two years.

    I went to a local club meeting last night and a comment was made by the president of this club of a common disappointment of Joe Straus’ win, then that it’s up to us to really watch Joe in the next 140 days. But if Joe starts back with his games and the state representatives start complaining about Joe, I have no sympathy for them.

    This president is very interested in working with other local clubs and tea party organizations – start mobilizing the efforts to increase our wins in 2012. One guy talked about mobilizing efforts through precinct chairs, poll watching, watching legislation coming out of Austin and WDC, educate people, and so on.

    A rep from a local tea party was asked if they are looking to support a third party candidate, his response is that the mission statement of his tea party fits very will with the Republican party so they are more interested in rebuilding the Republican party with conservatives, especially the fiscally conservatives.

    Speaking about correlating libertarianism to the Tea Party movement, there ARE some discrepancies between libertarianism and the Tea Party movement.

  4. KauaiBoy says:

    The nice thing about the last election is we no longer have to even recognize the existence of the Sheila Jackson Lee’s of Congress—-so lets stop giving them the free press. My opinions carry as much weight as theirs. But I would like to see her talk her way out of the idiot loop that the repeal of Prohibition creates under this “unconstitutionality psychosis” (albeit with the sound off).

  5. WWS says:

    if they have to cut services, then they have to, there’s no rule written that says All Services Must be Maintained Forever. When times are tight, they go down, when times are good they can be brought back up.

    just about all of the services we really use and need come from either the city or the county level, and their financing is completely separate from the State’s budget.

  6. dhunter says:

    Wow I got in.
    I could not get in for months using firefox and tried internet explorer and wallah.
    I dont know why but glad I can post, I have been reading faithfully AJ thankyou!
    I just could not post. now I know use IE.

    Thanks for being here AJ

  7. Redteam says:


    yea, I had that same problem, figured out a couple weeks ago that firefox won’t let me sign on but IE will, so even tho I don’t like IE, I use it for this site.

    AJ’s site is the only one I have a problem with in that respect, all other blogs will let me sign on in Firefox.

    Just one of those strange deals

  8. dhunter says:

    Same here and I like Firefox better it blocks the popups and add ons better and loads faster as a result.
    Dont have much trouble with those here. Wow found a way to get back on. Happy New Year!

  9. WWS says:

    that’s odd, because I’m posting this from Firefox right now. IE is just way too vulnerable for me to use anymore.

  10. lurker9876 says:

    Yeah, me too. I’ve been posting via firefox. Perhaps you should consider cleaning up your Internet temporary files?

    While I am glad the House GOP passed the repeal kill, I didn’t feel the excitement – more of a relief knowing that we’re on the right direction and that the House GOP will keep it on the surface. This will make it harder for the Dems and Obama to defend it all the way to 2012.

    Many conservative pundits understand this. I’m sure the Dems understand it, too but they’re trying PR tactics to try and convince us to switch back to their side.

    If only the Americans still have a longer term remembrance of what Obama and the Dems did in the last two years to VOTE them out in 2012. They’ve given us a lot to put on our campaign ads.

  11. andie says:

    I haven’t been able to log in for months, either. Still can’t on Firefox, my favorite browser.

  12. ivehadit says:

    WWS, I have been getting a trojan horse attack every time I go onto Drudge. Would it be better if I use firefox instead of IE regarding this?

  13. lurker9876 says:

    Yes. I also have been using google chrome on my Linux laptop while using firefox on my window pc. Google chrome has a lighter footprint but meets all of the features that I use with firefox.

    Internet Explorer has a security hole through its scripts so I frown on using it except when I have to download something from Microsoft.

  14. WWS says:

    Ivehadit, my opinion is YES. And Chrome is also supposed to be better than IE, I’ve used it some but use Firefox primarily.

    I gave up IE because I couldn’t find an antivirus program that could keep my system clean while I was using it – there are just too many security holes to exploit. I’m no expert, but I’ve been told that the core problem with IE is that it’s vulnerabilities are so deeply ingrained in the code and so widely known now that the only real solution is for Microsoft to start from scratch and design an entirely new browser and doesn’t reuse any of the old code. But microsoft doesn’t want to pay for all that trouble and expense when the payback is questionable, so instead they just keep piling patch on top of patch on top of patch.

    And each patch introduces it’s own new security problems.

  15. ivehadit says:

    Thanks Lurk and WWS. I had a feeling that would be the answer.