Two views on immigration from good friends of this blog; David Smith at Contrarian Views looks at the economics of illegal immigration:
I keep reading and hearing about how big business benefits from illegal immigration and is therefore against any ty…

Secure the Border.
Determine a true need of workers.
Then execute it based on need not wants.

I have voted for Bush twice and would do so again over Kerry the traitor.
Better the Devil you know.

But he is wrong on the work no one else will do.
Let the market decide the wage.
I have said it before, how is signing a trade agreement and the senate ratifying it a free market.

If there is a need then fill it legally.

I do not doubt there is but I want it filled using logic not an emotional mob.

I despise people who will not fight for their own country and then come here complain and demand we change ours.

There are differences in these immigrants today and yesteryear.

Oh I do despise traiterous democrats and their pandering for illegal votes.
As a matter of fact they are guilty of treason and few see it.

But there is always that clause in the Declaration of Independence!

Governor, were you talking about me …? If so, be a man, Governor, use names……

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/03/not-against-pro-illegal-immigration.html

Since then, I’ve just gotten disgusted.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/04/10-of-population-of-mexico-is-in-us.html

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/03/bad-tactics.html

And so on.

Here’s the point. Remember when you were a kid, and someone took cuts? Remember that sense of outrage, at selfishness and unfairness? Remember how you hated liars who tried to make themselves sound right? Those feelings were correct, and pure.

And now they want to vote.

Jack H

BTW a number of those people you despise have died in Iraq wearing the uniform of the US military… and I knew several of those people you say have no desire to assmilate who served in Viet Nam as well.

A full third of the population of California is hispanic and many of those people have been in this country longer than my family has. And obvioulsy most of them assimilated. You are playing judge, jury and executioner for an entire race of people based on some backward kind of racial stereotyoping.

I am not playing word games. Of course we have to give them due process if they are criminals. That is what the Constitution says, remember it?

If we catch people crossing the border we can detain them and turn them back but some of these people have been here for years. How do we even know who they all are or where they are? Are you just going to kick down doors and drag millions of men, women and children off to the cattle cars? How many will you have to shoot? Or do you get a perverse joy thinking of mowing down wetbacks? Do you have any ideas the numbers of lawyers who are salivating at the thought of it?

We could have enforced these laws and we did not, in fact we did the opposite. I agree with AJ to a large extent but some of the hateful, mean spirited and spiteful stuff I am hearing out of the right makes me glad I remained an Independent and did not register Republican. I was going to, but this kind of rhetoric changes my mind.

BTW, the Mexican government supplies a good deal of the water for the southwest, the deal was signed during the Truman administration. Right now a leftist [who has the support of Chavez] is running against Fox’s party which is thought to be too far to the middle for them.. If the left wins, Chavez and his commie friend in Mexico will control almost a third of the oil coming into the US along iwth a lot of that water.

We are neighbors, like it or not and while I think we need far better border security and an updated rational immigration policy all this hate mongering and Mexcian bashing can backfire in a lot of ways.

They may not all be murderers but they have broken our laws.
If they do not follow our laws why should we.

I don’t want to get them legal, I want them out.
We need immigration on an as needed basis.

If we stop allowing them to artificially interfere with wages after time it will stabilize.

Then we can see where there is a need and then fix it.
But until we seal the borders all our speech is moot both yours and mine.

Mexico has no right due to proximity to flood our country. It is pure discirmination to allow them to break our quotas. Without that this will just go on until we fracture.

We are no longer a melting pot, one only has to look at the crowds.

Their phrase is “Si Se Puede” right?

How hard is that to say in english?

They have no desire to assimilate and never will.

For instance the bill that failed would have allowed some illegals to become citizens after they paid fines and back taxes and had background checks and after they spent over a decade in other programs monitored by the government. But so many Republicans and people on the right said this was just an amnesty program which gauranteed citizenship in short order. I thought that the lefties were the ones who lied or colored the truth or stretched things to make a point. But a good deal of the rhetoric I have heard on the right has been completely hysterical. Amnesty seems to be anything other than mass roundups and people in cattle cars or buses.

If we say these people are just criminals, nothing more or less then we have to give them due process and lawyers and trials, what is more we have to explain why it is if they are just criminals like bank robbers or child molestors that we have failed to enforce the laws for all these years.

Obviously it is not that simple. We need to secure the border, and offer some means to get these people legal and accounted for and paying taxes. And of course, any violent people should be shippped back home pronto.