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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6545</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 11:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since overall poll numbers show support for the program, some of the over the top chicken little reporting by the MSM is only lessening their stature in the eyes of the viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since overall poll numbers show support for the program, some of the over the top chicken little reporting by the MSM is only lessening their stature in the eyes of the viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6542</link>
		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 06:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe.   &lt;a href=&quot;http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014068.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Powerline has an item&lt;/a&gt; on the subject.  The law is pretty clear.  The telco can release billing logs to anyone they want at any time they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe.   <a href="http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014068.php" rel="nofollow">Powerline has an item</a> on the subject.  The law is pretty clear.  The telco can release billing logs to anyone they want at any time they want.</p>
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		<title>By: fredriknyman</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6541</link>
		<dc:creator>fredriknyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 05:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanna bet that the NSA is Very Interested in the records of anyone who has recently switched carriers to Qwest? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanna bet that the NSA is Very Interested in the records of anyone who has recently switched carriers to Qwest? <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6540</link>
		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 04:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard something on a talk radio show that refreshed my memory about this kind of data.  I remembered that telephone billing information (who called who and when) is NOT private information.  The Supreme Court ruled on that a long time ago.  It is like log files.  People do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy concerning log files.  This would be logs from the phone company concerning who called who, logs from an ISP concerning who emailed who, or logs on a web server showing who viewed what.  One does have an expectation that the conversation will be private, but not the phone company logs that show which phone number dialed another and when.  That information can be obtained without warrant.  In some cases a provider may not provide the information without a court order, but that is much easier to obtain than a wiretap warrant.  It basically amounts to the government showing that what they are requesting is &quot;pen register&quot; information, which is not considered private, and they get the order.

You have no more right to privacy on telephone logs than you do for logs on a web server and they show pretty much the same kind of information.  They show which address connected to which other address and when.  In telco jargon, a phone number is also called an address.

What the paper has tried to do in this case is to make a subtle connection in people&#039;s minds between addressing information and content but this very issue has long been decided by the Supreme Court.  Pen register information is called that, by the way, because of the way old fashioned telephone switches recorded billing information.  They used mechanical switches and a &quot;pen register&quot; made a recording of the originating phone number and each digit dialed when placing a call so the call could be billed.

This information does not involve listening for a conversation.  It is akin to noting that a car with a certain license number entered a parking lot at one time and left another.  It doesn&#039;t prove who placed the call or what was said, it only says that phone was in use and dialed some other number.  Many people can get access to your billing information.   The content of those calls is, however, protected.  They can not listen to a fully domestic call without a warrant.

This isn&#039;t even news.  It was news several years ago.  It isn&#039;t even really &quot;leaking&quot; anything since the entire argument was already gone over years ago.  Basically, it&#039;s nothing.   It isn&#039;t even whistle blowing.  All it is, is button pushing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard something on a talk radio show that refreshed my memory about this kind of data.  I remembered that telephone billing information (who called who and when) is NOT private information.  The Supreme Court ruled on that a long time ago.  It is like log files.  People do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy concerning log files.  This would be logs from the phone company concerning who called who, logs from an ISP concerning who emailed who, or logs on a web server showing who viewed what.  One does have an expectation that the conversation will be private, but not the phone company logs that show which phone number dialed another and when.  That information can be obtained without warrant.  In some cases a provider may not provide the information without a court order, but that is much easier to obtain than a wiretap warrant.  It basically amounts to the government showing that what they are requesting is &#8220;pen register&#8221; information, which is not considered private, and they get the order.</p>
<p>You have no more right to privacy on telephone logs than you do for logs on a web server and they show pretty much the same kind of information.  They show which address connected to which other address and when.  In telco jargon, a phone number is also called an address.</p>
<p>What the paper has tried to do in this case is to make a subtle connection in people&#8217;s minds between addressing information and content but this very issue has long been decided by the Supreme Court.  Pen register information is called that, by the way, because of the way old fashioned telephone switches recorded billing information.  They used mechanical switches and a &#8220;pen register&#8221; made a recording of the originating phone number and each digit dialed when placing a call so the call could be billed.</p>
<p>This information does not involve listening for a conversation.  It is akin to noting that a car with a certain license number entered a parking lot at one time and left another.  It doesn&#8217;t prove who placed the call or what was said, it only says that phone was in use and dialed some other number.  Many people can get access to your billing information.   The content of those calls is, however, protected.  They can not listen to a fully domestic call without a warrant.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even news.  It was news several years ago.  It isn&#8217;t even really &#8220;leaking&#8221; anything since the entire argument was already gone over years ago.  Basically, it&#8217;s nothing.   It isn&#8217;t even whistle blowing.  All it is, is button pushing.</p>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6532</link>
		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 05:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about it ... NSA has database of millions of phone numbers!

Well so do large telemarketing companies.  It doesn&#039;t bother me for NSA to have a phone book that lists every single telephone in the country.  You can assemble one yourself for well over 90% of all the phones in this country.   It&#039;s called The White Pages.  You can obtain them from every telco electronically and put them all into a database if you want.

In fact, obtaining people&#039;s phone bills is easier than it seems too.  But even so, if NSA is looking at the calls being made by people here in this country who are talking to terrorists overseas, I have absolutely ZERO issue with it.  If they weren&#039;t looking into it, I would be upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it &#8230; NSA has database of millions of phone numbers!</p>
<p>Well so do large telemarketing companies.  It doesn&#8217;t bother me for NSA to have a phone book that lists every single telephone in the country.  You can assemble one yourself for well over 90% of all the phones in this country.   It&#8217;s called The White Pages.  You can obtain them from every telco electronically and put them all into a database if you want.</p>
<p>In fact, obtaining people&#8217;s phone bills is easier than it seems too.  But even so, if NSA is looking at the calls being made by people here in this country who are talking to terrorists overseas, I have absolutely ZERO issue with it.  If they weren&#8217;t looking into it, I would be upset.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Bania</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6529</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Bania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story is a rehash.  It&#039;s &quot;old news&quot;, given new life by the dying dinosaur liberal press just in time for the Hayden hearings.  The timing is not a coincidence.  They do stuff like this all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is a rehash.  It&#8217;s &#8220;old news&#8221;, given new life by the dying dinosaur liberal press just in time for the Hayden hearings.  The timing is not a coincidence.  They do stuff like this all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: ReidBlog</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6524</link>
		<dc:creator>ReidBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;...And another thing......&lt;/strong&gt;

...The question is, do you supporters of domestic data mining see a limit? Or is it &quot;anything goes&quot; when it comes to this president, and his &quot;war on terror?&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8230;And another thing&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;The question is, do you supporters of domestic data mining see a limit? Or is it &#8220;anything goes&#8221; when it comes to this president, and his &#8220;war on terror?&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joust The Facts</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>Joust The Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Et Tu, USA Today?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Like a wannabe standing by and hoping to be noticed, the USA Today copies the cool kids&#039; leaking national security information style, and adds to the information previously published by the NY Times.The National Security Agency has been secretly colle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Et Tu, USA Today?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Like a wannabe standing by and hoping to be noticed, the USA Today copies the cool kids&#8217; leaking national security information style, and adds to the information previously published by the NY Times.The National Security Agency has been secretly colle&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Decision '08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decision '08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NSA Policy To Be Unveiled...&lt;/strong&gt;

	Catchy headline, eh? Who&#8217;s making the big move - the Democratic leadership? Breakaway Republicans? The Bush Administration? 
	Also, no, no, and no - just little ol&#8217; me.  I&#8217;ve had some thoughts percolating in my ever-expanding brain (...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NSA Policy To Be Unveiled&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>	Catchy headline, eh? Who&#8217;s making the big move &#8211; the Democratic leadership? Breakaway Republicans? The Bush Administration?<br />
	Also, no, no, and no &#8211; just little ol&#8217; me.  I&#8217;ve had some thoughts percolating in my ever-expanding brain (&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: evolution</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1796/comment-page-1#comment-6521</link>
		<dc:creator>evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 01:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;nsa: just stick it back in the microwave...&lt;/strong&gt;

It seems the NSA has been collecting data on the phone calls of millions of Americans, such as the numbers called and call duration &#8212; but not the calls&#8217; contents &#8212; for some time now, and storing them in a massive database.
It appears ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>nsa: just stick it back in the microwave&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It seems the NSA has been collecting data on the phone calls of millions of Americans, such as the numbers called and call duration &#8212; but not the calls&#8217; contents &#8212; for some time now, and storing them in a massive database.<br />
It appears &#8230;</p>
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