May 21 2012
Birther Nonsense Poisons 2012 Election
Boy, if you want to help President Obama win reelection, one of the best ways to do so is to park your brain and go full Birther – ignoring all other critical issues facing this country.
The state of Hawaii has responded to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s request for proof that President Barack Obama was in fact born in the Aloha State.
The Hawaii attorney general’s office has reportedly told Bennett that there are steps he needs to take in order to confirm President Obama’s birth records.
Those steps include Bennett proving that he legitimately needs confirmation in order to update the records at his office.
This is so stupid, and it reflects stupidity on those trying to unseat this inexperienced liberal politician before he can do more harm to our economy and country. How does this affect the economy, jobs, the rising national debt, the crumbling family, our military, our health care, our education system,….? How?
Let me be clear here – President Obama is a US Citizen by birth. Why?
Because his mother was a US Citizen. No other aspect of the definition of citizenship comes into play because where you are born has no bearing over who your parents are. None.
There is no question of soil or location or statehood. A child born at sea, in Europe, Asia or Africa to a US citizen is a US Citizen. A child born in space or on the moon to a US Citizen is a US Citizen.
All those who explore beyond this fact are just being foolish. And since it was Obama’s mother who was the US Citizen (not the father where paternity issues could arise), there is no doubt about his lineage.
If you want to make Obama look good by allowing him to compare himself to confused and distracted fools – go right ahead. But don’t blame anyone else if Obama wins election because no one b0ught into the Bogus Birther Brouhaha.
Update: As predicted, the Birther die-hards are having trouble adjusting to reality. Here is a very interesting story about in vitro children born overseas:
She found that the U.S. State Department did not share in her joy when she went to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to apply for citizenship for her children.
An embassy staffer wanted to know whether Lavi got pregnant at a fertility clinic. She said yes and was told that her children were not eligible for citizenship unless she could prove that the egg or sperm used to create the embryo was from an American citizen.
“I was humiliated and horrified,” Lavi said. “We’re talking about the children I gave birth to. Of course they’re my children.”
The incident points out what critics say is a glaring inequity in U.S. citizenship regulations. A child adopted overseas by a U.S. citizen is eligible to become an American, and a baby born in the USA is American even if the parents are not.
But a child born to a U.S. citizen overseas through the increasingly common practice of in vitro fertilization with embryos from donor eggs and sperm is not American, unless an American is one of the donors.
Let me recap for the stubborn ones: If Obama was ADOPTED by his mother from Kenya he would be a US Citizen. So OF COURSE if she gave birth to him he would be as well. I mean – really??
So now citizenship is determined solely by the mother? When did US citizenship take on this aspect of Judaism? Seriously, can you quote the US Code or whatever you have that backs this up?
Layman,
You are kidding right? Show me one case where a child of a US Citizen was denied citizenship. Nothing about soil, statehood, etc. Show me one case where the child of a US Citizen was denied citizenship.
In fact, until you do I suggest you promise not to comment here until you have proven as much! If you want to impress me, you go do your homework.
Knock yourself out.
AJ,
All good points. Just be careful of saying Obama is just a US citizen. To be President he needs to be a natural born citizen (which he is because of his mother).
Layman,
Refer back to my post about the laws and cases regarding citizenship.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/18307
So, stating that he is a citizen gives him the right to not have to produce a certified copy of a birth certificate for official business?
I did not have the right to not produce one when I got a passport or applied for Social Security.
If the law states that a person has to be a citizen to do a thing, then that person should have to supply proof that he/she is a citizen. That seems so simple.
Did either of you have to produce a certified copy of your birth certificate for any legal function? Did you do it? Was it an insult to you?
So, I don’t give a damn if he was born or hatched, the law requires that he be a natural born citizen and the standard should be that he has to prove that he is one.
and I’m not even stating what I think about his place of birth, just that he is not above the law. You had to produce a birth certificate, he should have to produce a birth certificate.
Layman, citizenship is the result of several things, according to the law, if obama ‘was’ born in Kenya and his mother was a certain age and had lived/been in US for some period of time, then he is a US citizen, BUT not a natural born one. For one thing, his father was British, so that splits his citizenship and a person with split citizenship is not ‘natural born’. This is clearly the law, some just choose to ignore it.
I see no difference in this ‘required proof’ than if you are applying for a job and the job requirement is that you have a BS in Chem Eng from a level one engineering school, then you are usually required to prove that you meet that standard.
To be a policeman requires that you have a certain amount of training in being a law officer. you should have to supply credentials proving that you meet that standard.
a requirement to be president is that you be a natural born citizen, you should have to supply credentials proving that you are. Taking someone’s ‘word for it’ is not good enough.
AJ,
Are you kidding, right?
At the minimum, the whole episode shows that Obama was more than willing to misrepresent his background to “milk” the system to the maximum.
i would not be surprised at all if he would have financed his college studies through aid for foreign students. We will know if and when his papers will be unsealed.
At the maximum, well, you know what it is there.
His wife referred TWICE to Obama, on tape, as “Kenyan”…
Ans so many other people, too knew and referred to him as “African”.
I don’t know what the truth is, but I know for sure something is not kosher there.
There is no smoke wo. fire.
And nobody can tell me to shut up by using the political correct/marxist tactic of labeling me as a “birther”…
dbostan, you may be a birther or not, but we know for sure that Obama is a birther, he is the one putting out the information, whether correct or not, that he was born in Kenya. He at least has Michelle convinced. He also has Hillary Clinton and Bill convinced, they were the first politicians spouting the information.
He clearly thinks he was born there whether he was or not.
So when anyone refers to ‘birthers’ they are including the ‘ultimate birther’ Barack Obama.
and why is it bad to be called a birther? As I understand the word, it means that a person believes the constitution requires that for a person to be the President of the US that they be a natural born citizen and that if a person wants to make that claim, that they should have to supply proof of that claim. So, I’d proudly call a ‘birther’ a ‘patriot’.
AJ, What do you think about the 1991-2007 publicist’s brochure stating obama was born in Kenya, lived in Indonesia and Hawaii…was updated many times but did not change the birthplace until the 2008 campaign for President?
Clarice Feldman wrote on this subject today. And also, Thomas Lifson has written about it as well. Both VERY well respected.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/wayback_feature_unravels_the_obama_bio_lie.html
Could it be another Elizabeth Warren case we have here?
This cannot be ignored, imho.
While I have tended to think the birther stuff was nonsense, something new happened recently that gives me pause. While the pamphlet from his publisher said he was from Kenya and the publisher says the error was due to “poor fact checking”, the stories on the issue have neglected to tell us the source of that fact that wasn’t checked.
It came from Barack Obama himself. HE said at the time that he was born in Kenya in the biographical blurb he sent to the publisher for that pamphlet.
So why would Obama himself be telling people that he was born in Kenya at that time?
To me what is most relevant about the contentiousness of Obama’s birth, is that it is simply another aspect of Obama’s blank slate background and morphing, evolving persona.
As to his birth certificate, Obama could have addressed this at the get go of his presidency, releasing the long form document etc., — whatever it took to prove, without a doubt, his birth place status. He chose not to do this. In fact, Obama appears to have manipulated his background in order to take advantage of given scenarios, such as his book deal, where it probably heightened his mystique to be of foreign extraction, selling more books, than to be a milquetoast American.
There has also been rumors about Occidental College, and being a recipient of the Fulbright Scholarship for foreign students. Snoops has put this to rest, by disproving it. However, Obama could have simply released his school records, showing the decency of full self-disclosure, himself.
This chameleon quality of Obama should be disconcerting to voters, especially to those who are always preaching about the need for ‘authenticity,’ as Obama seems like a first-class phoney, IMO.
AJStrata says:
May 21, 2012 at 10:00 am
Layman,
You are kidding right? Show me one case where a child of a US Citizen was denied citizenship. Nothing about soil, statehood, etc. Show me one case where the child of a US Citizen was denied citizenship.
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AJ, you’re better than having to twist people’s words to make a point. I never said that the child of a US citizen was denied citizenship. However, in the context of the Constitution, where it requires a person to be a “natural born citizen” to be President, the law is a bit nebulous. Go back and read DJ Strata’s previous post. There have been Court rulings that have indicated that native born and natural born are the same thing – but the law is far from 100% clear. If someone with standing were to challenge the status quo they might have a case (I’m talking definition here – not Obama’s status).
What’s up with you lately? I think you need a vacation and an adult beverage.
Layman:
“What’s up with you lately? I think you need a vacation and an adult beverage.”
or maybe spend Friday night locked in a bar with WWS… or something…
Redteam
I smile everytime I read your line about “being locked up in a bar…”
No Layman, I did not twist your words. As has been pointed out many times to you over and over again, the Constitution only recognizes citizens and naturalized citizens.
there is no natural born crap…
Like I said, if you want to make Obama look good, keep it up…
Before everyone gets all excited and makes irrevocable statements about citizenship, please go to:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextchannel=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextoid=32dffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
here you will see that at the time of Obama’s birth (1961), if one parent is a US citizen, that parent must have been in the USA for a minimum of 5 years after that parent’s 14th birthday.
whereas his mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she doesn’t meet the 5 year threshold for declaring that the child is a US citizen.
what say all about this, direct from the USCIS?
I did not get involved in the “natural born citizen” issue, because I did not have enough time to read all the pertinent cases that have been heard in the court, primarily in the 19th century, but I remember very well there was a Supreme Court decision that was clear cut about “natural born” meaning that the two parents must be American citizens.
Direct quote from the US Constitution:
“Clause 5: Qualifications for office
No Person except a natural born Citizen,”
So, AJ, you are now on record as saying that is NOT a part of the US Constitution?
“the Constitution only recognizes citizens and naturalized citizens.
there is no natural born crap…”
that is an “amazing” statement….
Would you link us to a ‘corrected’ copy of Article 2 Clause 5 of the US Constitution that does not contain the words ” No Person except a natural born Citizen,”
or something…..
Jan, re: first-class phoney, don’t you mean “composite”? hehehe.
The pressure of the Truth is on. And Breitbart is definitely “here”….to stay.