May 21 2012
Birther Nonsense Poisons 2012 Election
Boy, if you want to help President Obama win reelection, one of the best ways to do so is to park your brain and go full Birther – ignoring all other critical issues facing this country.
The state of Hawaii has responded to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s request for proof that President Barack Obama was in fact born in the Aloha State.
The Hawaii attorney general’s office has reportedly told Bennett that there are steps he needs to take in order to confirm President Obama’s birth records.
Those steps include Bennett proving that he legitimately needs confirmation in order to update the records at his office.
This is so stupid, and it reflects stupidity on those trying to unseat this inexperienced liberal politician before he can do more harm to our economy and country. How does this affect the economy, jobs, the rising national debt, the crumbling family, our military, our health care, our education system,….? How?
Let me be clear here – President Obama is a US Citizen by birth. Why?
Because his mother was a US Citizen. No other aspect of the definition of citizenship comes into play because where you are born has no bearing over who your parents are. None.
There is no question of soil or location or statehood. A child born at sea, in Europe, Asia or Africa to a US citizen is a US Citizen. A child born in space or on the moon to a US Citizen is a US Citizen.
All those who explore beyond this fact are just being foolish. And since it was Obama’s mother who was the US Citizen (not the father where paternity issues could arise), there is no doubt about his lineage.
If you want to make Obama look good by allowing him to compare himself to confused and distracted fools – go right ahead. But don’t blame anyone else if Obama wins election because no one b0ught into the Bogus Birther Brouhaha.
Update: As predicted, the Birther die-hards are having trouble adjusting to reality. Here is a very interesting story about in vitro children born overseas:
She found that the U.S. State Department did not share in her joy when she went to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to apply for citizenship for her children.
An embassy staffer wanted to know whether Lavi got pregnant at a fertility clinic. She said yes and was told that her children were not eligible for citizenship unless she could prove that the egg or sperm used to create the embryo was from an American citizen.
“I was humiliated and horrified,” Lavi said. “We’re talking about the children I gave birth to. Of course they’re my children.”
The incident points out what critics say is a glaring inequity in U.S. citizenship regulations. A child adopted overseas by a U.S. citizen is eligible to become an American, and a baby born in the USA is American even if the parents are not.
But a child born to a U.S. citizen overseas through the increasingly common practice of in vitro fertilization with embryos from donor eggs and sperm is not American, unless an American is one of the donors.
Let me recap for the stubborn ones: If Obama was ADOPTED by his mother from Kenya he would be a US Citizen. So OF COURSE if she gave birth to him he would be as well. I mean – really??
I think we’ve lost AJ. Someone has stolen his blog. 🙂
I don’t know what has happened to AJ Strata, but he has gone off into some other reality. As I said in another post, his credibility is taking a hit in my mind. Shame, as I thought he was an outstanding voice on the scientific sham of AGW. Now, I am not even so sure of that.
The Constitution does not simply require that a person be a U.S. Citizen to be President. We all acknowledge that there are many paths to citizenship. MOst of them do not qualify a person to be President.
Words do matter. When the Constitution says natural born, that has a meaning.
Now, the Supreme Court may interpret the original intent away with a classic 5-4 ruling. Or the country may amend the Constitution. But, rants by AJ Stata, or anyone else, will not change the meaning of the words.
He is correct in one sense. The Birther issue is going nowhere in terms of getting BHO disqualified at this late date. OTH, if it can be proven that he knowingly lied about his birth status; whether it is by falsely claiming African birth, ala the literary PR flack, or vice versa, those revelations will do some damage in the minds of some of the electorate. So, it is not a futile exercise to pursue that issue.
OFg8r,
Nothing happened to me, I have not changed. Simply put some folks went over the cliff on Martin. I happen to not be one.
See, I am sure the left feel the same way when I torpedo them. It’s what happens when you lose credibility…
BTW, Hawaii statehood is not the only issue:
“On 7 July 1898, McKinley signed the Newlands Resolution (named after Congressman Francis Newlands) which officially annexed Hawaii to the United States. A formal ceremony was held on the steps of ?Iolani Palace where the Hawaiian flag was lowered and the American flag raised. Dole was appointed Hawaii’s first territorial governor.”
History is something worth understanding before quoting. In essence, to live in Hawaii was not to be living ‘overseas’…
And like I said, want to keep looking disconnected from reality – keep up this nonsense.
Something I have Debunked from day 1. Think about it – the rocket scientist who debunked the FISA BS from the left, the AGW frm the left, the Obama COLB BS from the right, the one who shows a scientific and legal premise for right to life at conception, the Able Danger guy…
He ain’t buying this nonsense.
I am not the one who needs to check their reality life line here.
“BTW, Hawaii statehood is not the only issue:”
how did that subject come up? it’s certainly not a part of Obama claiming he was born in Kenya.
At any rate, Hawaii was clearly a state before the date that Obama claims he was born in Kenya, so I don’t see how that is any issue. did someone bring it up and I missed it (must’ve been hanging out in the bar too long)
“Simply put some folks went over the cliff on Martin. ” really? I only know of a couple. I have not seen one single person change their opinion of the known facts in the Zimmerman case. Those that think there is not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman far outnumber those that think the evidence is against him. in the neighborhood of 99-1, or something…
I have only seen legal opinions that favor Zimmerman (except for the hired guns for Martin and the racist political appointees)
Dershowitz, etc.
http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/21/on-this-natural-born-citizen-issue-part-i-from-alexander-hamilton-to-lynch-v-clarke/
Hawaii had different rules back in 1961.
Birth certificate was not an issue but rather Obama’s foreign influence and lack of allegiance to the sovereignty of our country.
Sorry Lurker, none of that applies to his quals for President.
Since Hawaii was US territory, Obama’s mother was never out of the country.
This is so tiresome. A distraction that only helps the Dems. And yet people can’t let it go….
And then wonder why the Dems keep winning elections….
“Since Hawaii was US territory, Obama’s mother was never out of the country.”
Kenya is in Hawaii? I didn’t know that. Obama still thinks he was born in Kenya, at least that’s what he and Michelle say.
Maybe they are just confused… or something…
HHHmmm…I thought Obama’s mother spent some time (vacation????) in Kenya just before Obama was born? Her husband had family in Keynya.
I wasn’t challenging the fact that Hawaii was or was not a US territory. It was a US territory back then but then Hawaii had different rules in qualifying US citizenships back in the early 1960’s. The rules have changed since.
I just sent my absentee ballot into California.
I voted for Orly Taitz for US Senator.
I believe that is called democracy.
Woo Hoo!
RT,
Your powers of observation are stunning….
I believe I was responding to someone else. Please try and keep up.
“Since Hawaii was US territory, Obama’s mother was never out of the country.”
Once again, you are wrong. A US territory and the country of the United States are not the same thing, and do not enjoy the same legal status.
“I voted for Orly Taitz for US Senator.”
While I respect your right to vote for whomever you choose, Orly Taitz is a complete and total waste.
She is the only person I know who has been sanctioned (correctly) in so many courts that she has to beg for money.
She had a sure fire, slam dunk win in Georgia and managed to turn that into a loss.
There have been 155 so called “birther” cases. There are still 11 pending but the rest have been total loses, including 18 at the Supreme Court level. The problem is that the “birthers” are relying on emotion rather than the law.
AJ,
“RT,
Your powers of observation are stunning….
I believe I was responding to someone else. Please try and keep up.”
oh, so when you are responding to someone else, his mother was never out of the country. So when you are not responding to that person, is when she was in Kenya?
so let me get this straight now. Obama’s mother was never out of the country. Ok, I get it… Country, in this instance, refers to Kenya?
Has to be if she was in the country where he was born and was never out of ‘the’ country.
Now, if you don’t think Obama was born in Kenya, why do you think that ‘he’ thinks ‘he’ was? How did he get so discombobulated?
Maybe he was locked up in a bar one Friday night with WWS. or something…
Mordecai Subaru says:
“I voted for Orly Taitz for US Senator.
I believe that is called democracy.”
In accordance with AJ’s wishes, I’m trying to ‘keep up’, so I just have to state that the vote for a senator to represent you is a Republic, not a ‘democracy’. just saying…
louctiel:
“, including 18 at the Supreme Court level. ”
There have been no cases, at the US Supreme court decided on the merits of what you call “birthers” only on standing.
Just curious, why would you make such a statement?
Personally, I don’t think the definition of “natural born citizen” is going to be settled until a case goes through the courts all the way up to SCOTUS because even Constitutional legal minds disagree. The sooner the better if you ask me.
However, the fact that AZ (or any other state) wants verification of a candidates qualifications before putting them on the state ballad does not make them “birthers”. It’s makes them an entity that simply requires documentation proof of their qualifications. I’m actually glad to see this because thee is currently no system in place to establish a Presidential candidates qualifications other than someone (or a group of people) signing a form saying they are qualified.
I am also very troubled by the fact that Obama’s electronic document seems to be a fraud. That really needs to be resolved.
That being said, RedState Blog, just posted a very detailed post of legal opinion that supports the case DStrata made earlier. I’ve seen legal precendent posts that come to the opposite opinion. However, here is RedState’s post if anyone is interested:
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On this “Natural Born Citizen” Issue, Part I: From Alexander Hamilton to Lynch v. Clarke
http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/21/on-this-natural-born-citizen-issue-part-i-from-alexander-hamilton-to-lynch-v-clarke/
“So, what we may gather from all of these sources I have quoted is that the phrase “natural born citizen” in Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution has historically been interpreted from the earliest days of the republic, by the Founding Fathers and early legal authorities, as meaning someone who is born in this country, regardless of the status of their parents.”
Judge wants definition of ‘natural born citizen’ — ‘Resolution of this federal issue will resolve the case’
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/judge-wants-definition-of-natural-born-citizen/?cat_orig=politics
excerpt:
U.S. District Judge S. Thomas Anderson of Tennessee said the courts ultimately must define “natural born citizen,” affirming that the “issue of whether President Obama is constitutionally qualified to run for the presidency is certainly substantial.”
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“It is clear that the stated federal issue of President Obama’s qualifications for the office are ‘actually disputed and substantial,” the judge said.
Anderson said it also is “clear that there will be a legal dispute over the Constitution’s definition of ‘natural born citizen’ and the Supreme Court’s decision in Minor.”
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Anderson’s opinion included a notation that the U.S. Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett defined “natural born citizen” as “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens.”
“It is undisputed that the material fact at issue in this case is whether under the circumstances of president Obama’s birth, the president is a ‘natural born citizen,’ a term set out in the United States Constitution and construed under federal law,” he wrote.
Hawaii verifies Obama’s birth records to Arizona
Published May 23, 2012
Associated Press
HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama’s birth records to Arizona’s elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent’s name on its November ballot.
Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.
Hawaii — which has vouched for Obama’s birth in the state several times — didn’t bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.
Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed.
It’s not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. A spokesman says he received the verification and will comment Wednesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29
I’m sick of this discussion, is he or isn’t he? He is a liar, he made up his resume to suite what ever persona he needed in the moment and the press is so in love, he so pathetic, they will cover for him no matter what. If he needed to be born in Kenya to sell a book it was alright with him. We can’t see his college transcripts because he lied on those to get money or scholarships. What a shame this man was elected to the presidency in the first place. Our press is a moral disgrace!
kathie:
“I’m sick of this discussion, is he or isn’t he? He is a liar,”
The ‘average’ American is proud to be called an American and has no reservation about showing a birth certificate.
In Obama’s case, he is ashamed of being an American and that may be the reason he is hesitate to show a birth certificate. That may also be the reason he is using someone else’s SS number and faked his draft board registration.
I’m relatively sure he wasn’t lying about being born in Kenya, that’s something he would be proud of.
I’m amused at all the contortions the people that ‘believe’ in him go through to ‘justify’ him not showing his birth certificate. Let’s face it, there is no justification, it’s what proud Americans do.
Now comes ‘proof’ that he never attended Columbia, as we already knew. We just needed proof, so now that’s been released. Will it ever end? Nothing but lies…..