But you have to give Terrye credit he don’t give up until we piss him off.

I’ve been spinning my wheels a little lately. Okay a lot. The Haditha story just flew all over me. The liberals/progressives, the MSM, the islamic masses have been having a feeding frenzy at the expense of our Soldiers and our nation….

You are right. In fact I would say that there are some soldiers that need our support right now.

Since he agrees with you 90% I guess I have to disagree with both of you .

They are the same.
They are not two different things and if we continue to look at them differently that will be the death of all of us and our way of life.

Enforcement is not talking about immigration.
He is talking about security. Too many folks like to see how smart we are by reinventing things.

Security is Security not immigration. Treat the cause not the symptom.

Illegal Immigration is a symptom and it is direct result of poor security and logic.

Terrorism is a result of poor security and logic.

See the connection fix the source and you can fix more than one problem. Politicians almost never goe to the source why should they put themselves out of work.

These bums are alway passing new laws to fix the symptoms.
They never get to the source.

Always looking to impress us and themselves how brilliant they are, LOL

They never fix the source just a constant band aid on the symptoms. destined to continue till we collapse.

One tool can have many uses. We do not need a new tool for every job.
Humans continually complicate this for the sake of ego.

We all should be applying a lot more logic and this can be fixed in short order.

Excellent post. Agree with practically everything you said. one thing, I didn’t forgive Reagan for the Amnesty thing, even tho he is my no. one hero and the best president with the possible exception of George Washington. I do, in fact, consider the terror war our no. 1 problem, and the unsecure border as no. 2 with that being the case because as long as it is not secure we have no idea who is crossing it and the MAY be terrorists. Even IF they’re not, we need to KNOW that. Thanks for your thoughts

You guys are rhetorically beating the crap out of each other over the immigration issue, when you probably agree on 90% of everything else, and your immigration views are most likely a lot closer to each others’ than you would want to admit. This issue is important. Unfortuanately, it has become a costly distraction from other, gravely important, issues. The war on terror is one hell of a lot wider than border enforcement or the lack thereof, earned legalization, or any number of other issues involved in the immigration debate. If everyone, who should be united in the overall cause, keeps bickering over this, we’re going to reap the whirlwind.

Almost half the nation has opted out of this war. The other half which is committed to this war is beating each other’s brains in over an issue that is only tangentially related to the war. Keep it up, and we’ll be looking a combination of Saigon 1975, Pearl Harbor, and the Battle of Britain all rolled into one, and I don’t see any Churchills out there who can save us from ourselves if we get to that point.

There are bigger issues out there than immigration. Don’t let it define you. If you don’t think immigration and the war are tied together, fine. Don’t shut out those who do see it that way. Some of the most innovative thinkers on the war and our warfighting strategy (Frank Gaffney comes to mind) see the issues as intimately related. They deserve to be listened to and take seriously. If you think immigration and the war are tied together, that’s fine also. Don’t shut out those who disagree with you. It’s possible to disagree on one issue, and still be allies, supporters, dare I say, hawks. Like I said earlier, this war is a hell of a lot bigger than just immigration. You could have forgiven Reagan for his apostacy on immigration. Give Bush the same courtesy. Just swallow hard and do it. This is a dangerous time and we need as much unity as we can muster right now.

Did you see where two of the men arrested in Canada were not teenagers or in their 20′s? I hope these were the “veterans” about which you posted!

And I saw this in an article I just read over at canada.com:
“With the exception of two men, who are aged 43 and 30, the alleged terrorists are all in their teens and early 20s.”
Could the older guys be the “senior jihadist veterans that you were talking about? I hope so.

So many do not realize what is happening around the world every day. Our great military, special ops and spy network are working overtime and I pray for them regularly. If we are not successful in this WOT then we won’t need to worry about “borders”-about which I am SICK TO DEATH OF TALKING/reading.

“Enforcement”. you’re doing an excellent job at proving why, in general, single issue voters are the bottom feeders of American political life.

an SIV is almost by definition incapable of rational thought or argument.

And if you’re curious, it was the nasty slam about “I’m sure they were just leaving church”, which implies that the victims were somehow at fault (you know it does, that’s why you wrote it) that caused me to write off you and anything you may ever have to say on anything.

TYPICAL LIBERAL, IF YOU CAN’T ARGUE THE FACTS, CALL THEM NAMES (bottom feeders ) AND GIVE UP

You should read up, the Church comment came from someone above, I think TERRYE (sorry if I’m wrong) that said 99.9% of the “illegal immigrants are honest, hard working, church going people” and I was only taking him at his word and assumed this family was in that 99.9%

and this” which implies that the victims were somehow at fault (you know it does, that’s why you wrote it) that caused me to write off you and anything you may ever have to say on anything.”

is damn sure not true. False arguments are the tool of those that don’t have anything to say, (see yourself, there partner?)

Whoops slipped up there WWS, you didn’t read this did you?

an SIV is almost by definition incapable of rational thought or argument.

And if you’re curious, it was the nasty slam about “I’m sure they were just leaving church”, which implies that the victims were somehow at fault (you know it does, that’s why you wrote it) that caused me to write off you and anything you may ever have to say on anything.

You are too dense about this subject of immigration to even discuss it. I give up.

Left by Terrye on June 4th, 2006

I humbly accept your surrender,

signed Enforcement

Left by Terrye on June 4th, 2006

I resent your implication that I would be happy that these people were killed. I want no harm to befall anyone. Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, each in their own country.

I’m sure these people were just leaving church.

You are too dense about this subject of immigration to even discuss it. I give up.

Left by Terrye on June 4th, 2006

TYPICAL LIBERAL, IF YOU CAN’T ARGUE THE FACTS, CALL THEM NAMES (DENSE) AND GIVE UP