Jun 07 2006
Anne Coulter Needs To Keep Quiet
Ed Morrissey has noticed a another Anne Coulter disaster-gaffe in her interview with Matt Lauer promoting her new book (which I will not be reading):
LAUER: On the 9-11 widows, an in particular a group that had been critical of the administration:
COULTER: “These self-obsessed women seem genuinely unaware that 9-11 was an attack on our nation and acted like as if the terrorist attack only happened to them. They believe the entire country was required to marinate in their exquisite personal agony. Apparently, denouncing bush was part of the closure process.”
“These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s death so much.”
Ed Morrissey rightfully compares Anne to Ted Rall, one of the most despicable people on the planet. I don’t know what happened to Anne, but she is a walking disaster for conservatives. I was at CPAC when she made her disasterous comment about Ragheads. That was a horror too. At a time we need moderate Muslims to stand by our side and resist the Islamo-fascists Anne detonated a mega-ton stink bomb. Personally I doubt she should ever come back to CPAC. Because we don’t need Begala-Carville-Rall clone, we need all those Muslim-Conservatives groups that set up their tents at CPAC for a week showing solidarity.
I have no problem with anyone speaking in this country – it is their right. And they definitely deserve the right to be respected when speaking from conviction and painful experience, and not slandered and hurt in this way. Anne Coulter is no Conservative. She cannot be. Either that or I am no conservative. There is no way to condone such cruelty. Anne, sit down and just don’t talk anymore. You have done enough damage.
Addendum: The 9-11 widows respond to Coulter’s disgraceful comments:
Contrary to Ms. Coulter’s statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day.
It is in their honor and memory, that we will once again refocus the Nation’s attention to the real issues at hand: our lack of security, leadership and progress in the five years since 9/11.
There is much more, so please read the entire response.
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hehe..AJ you are no conservative as you yourself have repeatedly stated…
Ann though is conservative through and through and additionally what she is saying is exactly true. Those certain widows wear their husbands deaths on their sleeves as some sort of amulet against any sort of rebuttal of their disgusting views.
Couldn’t agree more, AJ.
As far as I’m concerned, I’m not leaving conservatism – conservatism has left me.
Coulter On Anti-Bush 9/11 Widows (Video)…
Click to Download (.wmv) If you haven’t heard by now, Ann Coulter appeared on this morning’s Today Show to promote her new book Godless and, as could be expected, it wasn’t without controversy. Matt Lauer confronted Coulter about a……
I think Pierre has nailed this one, A.J. When the Dems are in charge come November, write us a big post on how we all need to pull together more.
Harold you were never a conservative…its ok. Once you are a conservative you never go back. I was once a liberal when I was 18 for about 4 months…voted for Carter then as soon as he got into office realized the asshatedness of my vote. Never looked back.
Started reading National Review shortly thereafter, then Capitalism the Unkown ideal and then Atlas Shrugged and never once have taken a step back towards liberals.
Clearly Ed Morrissey’s no “conservative” either, since he’s comparing Ann Coulter’s remarks with those of Ted Rall (he said something similar about the 9/11 widows a few years ago).
Clearly *I* am no “conservative” either, since I don’t think Ann Coulter should get a pass for the kind of comments that made Ted Rall so despised. I agree with AJ Strata and Harold Hutchinson.
STICKS ‘N’ STONES…
It’s quite possible that all the right-wingers who are bloviating about Coulter’s “cruelty” are secretly relieved that someone finally took those Jersey Girls to task. I loathe those women’s tactics of wrapping themselves in their grief in order t…
This is the kind of behavior that kept Bill Clinton in office: a pitcher and a catcher. The catcher succeeded in making the pitcher out to be mean-spirited, angry, and cruel….Ann again turns the myth into truth.
The nation has rejected this kind of behavior over and over again. I can’t think of one of these “conservatives” with this kind of rhetoric that has won a national election, ever.
As far as I am concerned a conservative NEVER conducts him/her self in such a manner. Positive ideas not toxicity/contempt are the hallmarks of conservatives.
Ann is the same “coin” as Kos, just the opposite side. I don’t like what is written on her heart. Look in the mirror, Ann.
Your style of communication negates many of the fine points that we agree on.
Oh, Ann is a conservative, she is also a jackass. She should have made clearer that she was speaking about a specific group of 5 widows and not all of them.
Don’t get me wrong, someties Ann’s writing makes me laugh out loud when she really casts a zinger. I like seeing her push the left’s buttons but her comments in this case could have been misunderstood to be about ALL the 9/11 widows, not just the one particular group who quite frankly, deserve to be brought back to reality. Her words were just plain mean. There’s no reason for it.
I have a feeling things would be different if instead of starting with “These self-obsessed women “, she began with “These five self-obsessed women, a very small portion of the 9/11 widows …”
I’m so over Anne. I did not miss her while she was writing her book and I do not intend to return to Rapunzel’s feet now that she’s promoting a book with her usual flamethrowing femme-in-undergarments routine. She’s beginning to remind me of Madonna — whose act is also stale, repetitive, and a bit young for her age.
It’s not that I don’t agree with Anne about plenty of things. We’ve had similar conversations, for instance, about the 9-11 widows over our dinner table. My problem with Anne is, she does absolutely nothing but offend every person from center to Left. And as for the Right, I don’t need to be convinced, and I don’t need to read one more rable rousing book. I’m no longer in the mood for Anne’s brand of invective and discourse — it’s not winning any converts. There was a time, absolutely, when Anne inspired me with her stark combativeness and fearless debate. But that was a decade ago now.
Pierre,
When Ann Coulter starts using racial epithets in public venues and making cruel comments about those she disagrees with, she has crossed the bounds of civility and decency.
I was unaware that one had to condone such stuff to be conservative…
Which reminds me… who the hell appointed you the arbiter of what is and is not conservative?
AJ, Sorry but it’s you as you have admitted several times lately.
“Anne Coulter is no Conservative. She cannot be. Either that or I am no conservative.”
I am a conservative and Ann is probably my favorite commenter, she really zings the dems.
“This is the kind of behavior that kept Bill Clinton in office:” Had she been as outspoken back when Bill was running the first time, he might not’ve gotten elected. Carville,Begala are much worse AND what they say is NOT true as what she says usually is.
The “five” said:
“Contrary to Ms. Coulter’s statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive”
I’m gonna see if I can find out, if in fact, any of the 5 actually watched their “men” burn alive.
If they did, that’s terrible, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I suspect they not be completely truthful, just drama for effect. If I’m wrong, I’ll apologize.
I’m also gonna say that people that don’t see humor in Ann’s writing have got to be closet Libs and the daggers are landing close to home.
The main difference as I said is that there is usually truth in what she says where as when the Libs try to be funny it’s usually a lie and falls flat. “Al Franken” is a good case in point.
WOW, this story sure brought out the Closet Liberals. Let’s just say that anyone that doesnt” think Ann is Conservative, just wouldn’t recognize a conservative. If the shoe fits and what I’m saying here makes you wanna scream… then the shoe ain’t fitting.
Closet liberal?
Well, I guess it also shows who insists upon a defense of the indefensible.
Let me get this straight, if one doesn’t appreciate the kind of language Ann used (doesn’t matter who it was aimed at) then they are a closet liberal? That is beyond silly. I don’t like talk like that from the left OR from the right. To say there aren’t idiotic conservatives as well as idiotic liberals is to live in a cave. Idiocy knows no political boundaries (or apparently any boundaries of decent society).
Ann’s words probably did more to mobilize those idiots than they did to stifle them.
In other words, take Ann’s words and imagine they were aimed at pro-administration gold-star mothers demonstrating against Cindy Sheehan or something and see how it sounds. Ann messed up by not putting her comments in the proper context and keeping the focus narrowed to that context. Imagine how a child who lost their Dad would read those words that Ann said. For example:
Could have been:
The second phrasing says the same things but makes explicit that which was implicit and might be missed by a huge number of average everyday Americans who don’t follow politics closely enough to understand what she was talking about and only heard the pi** and vinegar.
Closet liberals? Oh puhleaze. And you know what? Considering the amount of Bushbashing coming from the Buchanan wing of the party who is Coulter to complain anyway? All she does is bitch bitch bitch.
62 million people voted for George Bush. The Republicans are a majority today because a majority of Americans felt they could agree with conservatives on enough issues to make them tolerable.
This kind of behavior makes conservatives look mean, spiteful, and stupid.. Sometimes I think cosnervative men get a kick out of Anne because her weight and her IQ are both about 95 but in truth I find her offensive, more so over time.
I remember when Harriet Miers was nominated and Coulter made her snotty, snobby, elitist comments about the Ivy League being oh so much better than every one else. I went to IU, I guess that means that Ann Coulter considers me a peasant.
She is very rich, very privileged, very connected, very white, very blonde and very offensive. How conservatives think this will help their cause is beyond me. She is Michael Moore’s alter ego in drag.
3,000 people died that terrible day. They did not die to give Ann Coulter fuel for her big mouth. I think her remarks are beyond the pale.
If that makes me a closet liberal then you guys should get out there and show America what conservatives are really like. Call people names, make fun of their looks and their background and their lack of money and blue blood and treat their losses and concerns as if it were meaningless.
Of course you would lose the White House, the Congress, the majority of Governorships and state houses. But they might let you win dog catcher, unless of course the animal rights people put up a fight.
Captain is a conservative but mistaken, but Hutch isn’t a conservative, neither is AJ, and Terrye certainly isn’t. Sorry I don’t make the rules I only follow them.
Ann is doing what other conservatives don’t have the balls to do and that is understand what the left is all about and go after them with a hammer and knife. Conservatives have been playing nice and polite with the Left since around 1930 and all its gotten them is second place. Don’t look now but the left dominates the schools, colleges, the press and most opinion outlets. The strategy of being above fighting tooth and nail with the left has allowed a vacumn to develop which the left has been only too glad to fill. So now we get to watch helpless young people get out of college who don’t have the philosophical backround to understand what is being spewed at them by every single opinion outlet of note.
The point of Ann Coulter was to shock others into realizing that the Emperor has no clothes…one does not do that by mentioning it politly in a subdued fashion as has been the Republican fashion. Reagan was a counter to that habit….y’all seem to forget just how outspoken he was.
Make no mistake we are in a fight for our very lives with two groups, the left and the Islamists. Both are comrades in arms. Coulter is not your enemy…she is an ally whether you appreciate it or not. Those women were using the fact that they were widows to stand above others to have their voices heard…wearing the deaths of their loved ones on their sleeves as some sort of amulet against opposition.
What Ann is doing is what Howard Stern does. She is being the “shock jock” of the right. I just don’t happen to care much for the “shock jock” approach or the schtick.
I fact, I will be you a a burger and shake that she would make an EXCELLENT choice for a syndicated morning drive-time talk show to go right up against Howard Stern. I would be she would be very successful. I wouldn’t listen to either of them, though … much.
Pierre,
I’ll ask again: Who the hell appointed you the arbiter of who is and is not a conservative?
Oh yes, I am not a real conservative. I think for myself. I do not allow my politics to be dictated to by a self appointed minority of extremists who believe they have all the answers, who have no resepct for the opinions of others and who would rather accomplish absolutely nothing than give an inch. Sounds like Cindy Sheehan doesn’t it?
The Democrats got too big for their britches and had a fall and the same thing can happen to the Republicans if the 20% of the population who seem to be under the impression they are actually indicative of how Americans think do not exercise a little self control in the arrogant loud mouth department..
The truth is without people like me and AJ and Harold etc a lot of far right wing extremists [who are not conservatives] would be out in the cold with Buchanan. Let’s see in 2000 he got about 1% of the vote, less than half of what Nadar got. Oh yeah, people really go for that kind of talk.
Extremes meet.
PierreLegrand, at least someone on here is in touch with reality.
“Ann is doing what other conservatives don’t have the balls to do and that is understand what the left is all about and go after them with a hammer and knife. Conservatives have been playing nice and polite with the Left since around 1930 and all its gotten them is second place”
You just watch the votes on partisan bills. The Dems and Inds always stand together and the Repubs always split because they try to be reasonable. The Dems damn sure don’t try to be reasonable only 100% partisan. That’s why we can’t get something like Social Security reform passed despite controlling both houses and the white house. The Dems sure didn’t split their vote, and why. they knew some Repubs were nice and didn’t want to hurt the Dems feelings. The Dems know they can pass the same thing because when they get in control they will be UNITED. For some reason, we have a lot of people on the right , be it Repubs, Conservatives or whatever that just don’t get it. Same with this Senate bill, See the vote. That way the Dems get credit for supporting it, Latino votes, and by the Repubs being divided, it makes it looks like it’s the Repubs that won’t pass it. You can be absolutely sure that if the Repubs voted 100% for it, the Dems would immediately oppose it. By keeping the vote split, when the Border finally, if ever, gets enforcment, the Dems can blame everything on Repubs and still get the Latino votes. Democrats are furious about being out of power and are shrill about it. Ann is trying to point out how ridiculous it is and here we have the Repubs condemning her.
“The point of Ann Coulter was to shock others into realizing that the Emperor has no clothes…one does not do that by mentioning it politly in a subdued fashion as has been the Republican fashion. Reagan was a counter to that habit….y’all seem to forget just how outspoken he was.”
How does that saying go? Nice guys finish last, the more Repubs play nice, the closer to “last” they get
Enforcement:
Reality?
I was at the home of an elderly lady today who heard about this. She is retired here but was born and raised in New York. She is a life long Republican.
What did she have to say about Ann? She said “What a bitch”.
Believe it or not, this is not about politics. Most people find this kind of attitude offensive when it is directed at people who have suffered a loss. It is tacky.
Pierre,
I’ll ask again: Who the hell appointed you the arbiter of who is and is not a conservative?
Left by HaroldHutchison on June 7th, 2006
Well HH, even if he’s self appointed, he’s doing a damn fine job of it.
By the way, why is it your place to question if he is, in fact, a duly appointed arbiter? God may have appointed him.
TERRYE, so my comment would also be, What a bitch. But not talking about Ann.
“Believe it or not, this is not about politics. Most people find this kind of attitude offensive when it is directed at people who have suffered a loss”
kinda naive aren’t you Terrye, it’s not about politics? Ask Cindy Sheehan, she suffered a loss and loved him so much she hasn’t even marked his grave. You think she’s not a bitch? The only suffering she appears to be bearing is if she doesn’t get enough publicity.
OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!
Our eyes are open … just not wildly so. Why do people think it is okay to behave with a maturity level of a junior high school student when it comes to politics? I prefer not to use speech, even in a political context, that I can not use in any venue. In other words, we are always examples to others in our community and when we start behaving in that manner, it telegraphs that behavior like that is accepted. Soon we begin behaving that way all the time and before you know it, we have a population in perpetual road rage mode. Disagree with something? Attack it with the most hateful vitriol you can manage. Sorry. That isn’t my style and I don’t tolerate that kind of behavior in my home either. When someone is on TV they are actually being invited into people’s livingrooms. I wouldn’t behave in a way on television any differently than I would behave in a stranger’s home. She could have made her point without the hate or at least been more careful to narrow her attack to specific individuals explicitly.
And you know what? It’s just going to get worse because as the people on the far right become more irrelevent through their lack of self control, they will become even more enraged which will make them even more irrelevent. Nobody pays much attention to someone raving to the extent that you can almost feel the spittle coming through the screen.
Enforcement:
Tacky…. I said she was tacky. I think Cindy Sheehan is insane.
Jeez, I have a right to be offended without having to explain that to you or anyone else.
I think there is something in what I said above that is kind of interesting too. I believe both the far right and the far left will become increasingly irrelevent. But I also believe that the extremes account for less of the Republican party than they do the Democratic party. In other words, I get the impression that there are more extreme Democrats than extreme Republicans and so when the extremes marginalize themselves as extremes always do, the Republicans will be left with more than the Democrats.
For example: In California, Republican registrations have remained fairly steady over the years while Democratic registrations have been in a steady decline. Voters registering Independent have been increasing. The same is true in Texas in that the numbers if Independents are climbing at a fast rate but I believe registrations with both parties are in decline there. This happens when party rhetoric begins to move to the extreme and fails to radicalize the membership. Each side ends up in their bastion with their chior to preach to but the congregation heads for the door.
I see the current state of affairs as being that there are more centerist Republicans than Democrats. Rudy, for example, kicks the pants off any of the proposed Democratic candidates in presidential polls and picks up a huge chunk of the Independent vote even if the radical right doesn’t vote for him. In other words, Rudy’s base is in the center. Independents don’t have a problem crossing party lines. In fact, that is the basis of their political identity. They aren’t going to march lock-step with either party. Can the Democrats ditch the Kos kids and get away with it? I doubt it. But we could ditch our extreme members and probably not only survive, but thrive.
Most people do not like extremsits, they scare them.
The Coulter Attack…
Is it harsh? Sure. A small number of widows have made claim to a moral authority on the War against Terror. They cannot be questioned because their husbands died…..give me a effin break. Why must everyone tiptoe around these things? Always PC…
And by extreme, I mean the really extreme. You know, the ones that voted for Pat Buchanan in the 2000 presidential election (all 449,895 of them). There aren’t that many of them but the Republicans seem to weight them more than they are worth in the pandering department.
On reflection, it probably would be a good thing to see if, elsewhere in the book, Ann did indeed introduce the 9/11 widows specifically as the infamous FIVE who became media darlings by bashing Bush. But then, I don’t really care. I used to like Ann Coulter, but her bottomless-snark shtick began to wear a little thin after a while, and I decided that I’d had enough of her when she denounced Harriet Miers as “Caligula’s horse” and left me wondering how I missed the news that Harriet Miers had been outed as either rock-stupid, a Hillary-Clinton clone, or both. (I’m still puzzled by the War Against Harriet Miers to this day.)
Oh, my, kiddies, can’t we save some of this for the opposition? We’re all on the same (generally speaking) side.
Yes, Ann Coulter says some … yeah! Really harsh sometimes, and too biting obscures the wit, and the humor falls flat. Most of the time, though, her points are valid and delivered in memorable style (whether one likes her style is a beholder thing).
Certainly comments like “raghead” are way over the edge, but that isn’t really typical of Coulter — just that, when she’s the one making that kind of crude faux pas, it gets such endless coverage it begins to seem as though she’s the one repeatedly saying it.
But even that doesn’t negate her intelligence or her scholarship, both of which are impressive. Her research on the Venona Project, and the inroads communism actually made into high levels of our government, and the elements behind the destruction of Joe McCarthy (who actually had it more right than wrong) are to her credit, regardless of how she delivers the punchlines.
And her credentials as a conservative — NOT a “right wing zealot” — are stellar. Sure, there have been and will be issues (such as the Miers nomination) where the twain simply doesn’t meet. That’s the inevitable result of independent thinking, as opposed to lockstep thinking that most of us fault liberals for.
By way of “disclosure” I should probably mention: I’ve had a framed frosted glass sign with ceramic lettering that says “BITCH” hanging over my workspace (where ever that may’ve been) for about 30 years. So, yeah, maybe it takes one to know and appreciate one.
What is really troubling me about this recent bickering, though, is this: Throughout the 1960s and 1970s, when the far left was on the asendency, I noted a fairly constant evidence of a humor factor among the left that was missing on the right.
The left may have been, and they were, wrong on all the issues — but they generally projected a more inviting and likable image as individuals than the humorless, too-straight-laced, stiff-lipped, unsmiling, rigid and disapproving face of the right, usually represented by John Birch Society oh-so-glummers.
The first and most obvious change I noticed happened shortly after a Doonsebury cartoon included a White House telephone number, and a nudge for readers to call the number and give Reagan what for.
The Reagan White House response? An answering machine message directing callers to numbers for the Doonsebury author, agent and publishers! I for one was delighted, and over the following dozen years watched the humor switch to the other foot, up to and through the Gingrich-led Republican Revolution and continuing to the Bush 43 White House.
Meanwhile, the left just kept getting angrier and more vitriolic. And they started losing, and got even angrier and so it went. The image they project is not very inviting.
Up until now, the right has appeared to be a much more appealing option. I really would hate to see us lose that edge.
Reagan was the master. He also knew when to make himself and/or his administration the butt of his own jokes. It is very disarming of the opposition when you make fun of yourself at just exactly the right moment. It makes any further attacks to appear unfair. Remember Reagan’s “hole in the foot” award given to his Secretary of the Interior? Perfect and at exactly the right point in time. It disarmed the critics completely.
The Coulter Controversy…
Ann Coulter’s gimmick is that she’s basically a right-wing version of a left-wing pundit, except she usually doesn’t cross the line. I take that back: she usually doesn’t do a Mike Powell-esque long jump over the line.
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MerryJ1, I think you make good sense. I admit, in the last month or so I’ve lost my usually robust, rather sarcastic sense of humor. Watching the immigration “debate” or food fight on the Right has ceased to be amusing and turned me into a worrywort. I’ve lost friends, and I’ve been truly shocked by some of the backwards-ass thinking and kooky conspiracy theorizing. Every day it seems more and more of GWB’s so-called “base” piles on with accusations that are hard to distinguish from the unhinged Left. Bush Derangement Syndrome knows no party lines.
Back to Ann C. I don’t want to pile on her. She’s free to do her thing, and God bless her on the mission. I guess it’s me who’s changed. Or it’s bad timing due to all the current ugliness within our own ranks. As I said above, I’m just not in the mood to respond like Pavlov’s dog to this familiar marketing strategy — throw out some red meat . . . siren on Drudge . . . get all jazzed up . . . rush out and buy another book. If I really thought she could change hearts and minds, I’d be more of a cheerleader. But since I personally don’t need to be convinced about ‘liberal godlessness,’ I’m taking a pass on this ride.
There is a good comparison to Ann’s style. Peter Schweizer wrote an excellent, immensely entertaining book titled “Do As I Say (Not As I Do).” I listened to it on CD. Schweizer uses a velvet hammer to Ann’s sledge hammer. Even as he is pointing out the shameless hypocrisy of Lefty heroes like Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi and Noam Chomsky, he avoids personal insult, assigning motives or reading minds, and sticks to the facts using strictly publicly available information — like MMoore’s stock portfolio (which Moore claims doesn’t exist) that includes evil Halliburton stock. Schweizer also manages to teach conservative & capitalist principles in a very appealing, inviting way. He praises his subjects for their career successes (which depend oddly enough on free markets & capitalism) and he gently cajoles these windbags to come clean, stop bashing this country, and join the great American experience.
Well, different strokes. Ann sure has managed to shake things up in about 24 hours time. She owns the spotlight for the moment. And I have to say, her hair colorist is phenomenally talented. She looks angelic.
CROSSPATCH, I admire you, I couldn’t have written a better description of you than your self description copied from your comment. Thanks for saving me the effort. Enforcement
“And you know what? It’s just going to get worse because as the people on the far right become more irrelevent through their lack of self control, they will become even more enraged which will make them even more irrelevent. Nobody pays much attention to someone raving to the extent that you can almost feel the spittle coming through the screen. ”
Left by crosspatch on June 7th, 2006
TERRYE you said:
“Jeez, I have a right to be offended without having to explain that to you or anyone else. ”
You sure do, and since you apparently don’t have the capability to do so, you shouldnl’t
CROSSP, your observation, quoted below is totally meaningless. So Some Repubs register as independent and some Dems do, then they vote as they always have. NOBODY votes Independent.
“In California, Republican registrations have remained fairly steady over the years while Democratic registrations have been in a steady decline. Voters registering Independent have been increasing. “
CROSSP
‘Don’t quite understand why you said this
“And by extreme, I mean the really extreme. You know, the ones that voted for Pat Buchanan in the 2000 presidential election (all 449,895 of them). There aren’t that many of them but the Republicans seem to weight them more than they are worth in the pandering department”
Do you think any of those voters read this site. I know you want to imply that anyone that disagrees with you is in this 449,895 but I think I is far more likely that they are reading much more conservative(and that doesn’t take much) sites than this one. You may be more far out than they are
TrentK,
hey, if conservativism is being mouthy and cruel – count me out.
We will create the Politics With Class party, since the far left and far right are emotionally incapable of debating issues in a professional, serious manner and simply succumb to the need to insult. More power to indepenents! Do you think this worries me???
Crosspatch,
Don’t you think FE and all those who call those of us who despise Anne’s cruelty ‘closet liberals’ is just giving liberalism a huge positive? Not only did Anne and her robots tarnish cionservatism, the elevated liberals in the same breathe! I am not liberal. And I know liberals are just as cruel in their arguments. But….
Now that is political suicide. Amazing.
Tell me something will all this emotional blater going on is Ann insulting the 9/11 widows or the phony Jersey Girls.
If her book is insulting people and families who she knows zip about then she is a bitch,
But if she is ragging on people who have become the 9/11 widows appointed by the meda to become our Goddesses.
Then it’s your complaing that is the ragging.
AJ I wish you would stop accusing Hard Core Conservatives as tarnishing conservatism.
I think it is you and Terrye and others who are weakening our cause.
You folks want to make compromise the rule, I believe a true conservative sees it as the exception.
Comprimise by its very nature a failure.
Both sides have agreed by virtue of not getting what they want. They will come to some sort of accomodation.
Well Right and wrong exist.
The problem I see with so called moderates is they will rarely fight for want they believe is right to the end.
Conservatives will
Liberals will.
Moderates say let’s make a deal.
Balance is the key to life, in politics it leads to stagnation and collapse.
“those of us who despise Anne’s cruelty ‘closet liberals’ is just giving liberalism a huge positive?”
WOW, WHAT AN EGO, so being considered to be closet liberal is a huge positive for liberism?
I fear that it is the closet liberal, who does not understand that the closet is the Water Closet (or crapper) and that he is about to be flushed away with all the other crap into the cesspool. Just how that would be a huge positive is not quite clear.
Thanks, SallyV — I didn’t read the “Do As I Say” book, just excerpts, but I agree it made a great point in grand style. And, I hear you, about this crazy food-fight among our own. It’s painful.
We seem, too often, to be assuming the worst possible motives of any perceived adversary. That’s pretty much what the far-left has been doing (what else is Bush Derangement Syndrome when you get right down to it?), and the far-left is now little more than a caricature.
For my own peace of mind, I think I’ll slip a few “God, Please, give us all back our senses of humor” pleas in between the Our Fathers and Hail Marys. You think? And maybe I’ll toss in a “P.S. That’s only for us on the Right, Lord.”
No sense in giving the left an even playing field.
These attacks on Coulter are a bunch of crap!…
Standing on their husbands graves to raise themselves up high enough to have their voices heard and then they agitate for the defeat…
Do you think any of those voters read this site. I know you want to imply that anyone that disagrees with you is in this 449,895
No, you THINK you know that. There are many people that disagree with me on many things that I don’t put in that (roughly) half-million.
but I think I is far more likely that they are reading much more conservative(and that doesn’t take much) sites than this one.
Goody. And I hope find lots more to occupy their time. In my opinion, they give conservatism a bad name. They think they are “conservative” but I find them borderline fascist. I am torn. These people would have the old definition of conservatism meaning resistance to change and strict adherance to dogma. I am of the new definition of conservative (which is actually the ancient definition of liberal) in that I am for greater personal freedom, less interference by government into people’s lives, and knowing the difference between a safety net and a hammock.
You may be more far out than they are
Huh? I don’t think so. Take a look at some national polls sometime. Want to know who is the number one Republican candidate in just about every poll against a Democrat in a mock presidential election? Rudy. Rudy beats Romney or Gingrich by nearly 20 points in some polls. Here is a look at some Republican primary polls for 2008 and then here are some 2008 general election polls and you tell me who is further “out there”.
Quite possibly. I had made a long response to FE but when I hit submit it disappeared. Bottom line to my comment was to look at this polling data for the Republican primary and this general election data and tell me who is further “out there”.
Rudy beats the pants off of Gingrich or Romney by 20 points just among Republicans.
I also agree with you AJ in that what Bush is doing is very smart and not appreciated by a large number of the public. He knows he is not running for election. People keep throwing poll numbers up there as if they mean something to him. I am sure he has the volume on the “poll” knob turned to about zero on the scale. He isn’t interested in polls right now, he is doing what is right, even if it isn’t popular. For that I thank him from the bottom of my heart. I was born after Truman but if every there was a Harry Truman in my time, Bush is it.
Well, that’s two posts I left that have disappeared. Testing
Ann Coulter- The truth behind the sarcasm…
She is testy, harsh and unapologetic. She is the uncontested queen of invective and vitriol. And she is likely the focal point of a hatred that is unparalleled by the left… a point which she is really unconcerned with.
Her c…
Quite possibly. For several reasons. Firstly, they play into the stereotype of what they would like to present as the prototypical conservative. They scare people as much as the far left weirdos do. Secondly, they cause the party as a whole to be dragged further to the right than I even think most of the party wants to go. Looking at polling data (yeah, I know it is way early), Rudy, for example, beats Gingrich and Romney both by over 20 points among Republicans for the party nomination. Rudy also beats any Democratic candidate he faces in a general election poll scenario. He beats Hillary by 9 points and has the best showing of any Republican candidate.
What the people on the far right don’t understand is compromise. Putting up the “correct” candidate does you no good if he is a guaranteed loser. Sometimes one must bend a little. I am not interested in dogma. I am interested in liberty. Government doesn’t need to stick its nose in my personal business. In that respect the far left and far right are scary to me because they both would have government dictating my choices to me. I expect a government that knows the difference between a safety net and a hammock. I expect a strong defense.
As for the Pat Buchanan Republicans, I hope you do find more “conservative” sites than this one … I hope you find lots more. Really, I do. Honestly. Please. That group got 0.4% of the popular vote in 2000. We need Pat to run every year as far as I am concerned. It will keep those people busy.
Poll data:
2008 General Election
2008 Republican Primary
Poll data:
Check the links for General Election and Republican nomination. When I post those links here by post gets trashed and doesn’t show up on the site. My guess is because of a # in one of the links.
Maybe it just goes to show that there is a wider spectrum of thought within our party and that we debate issues in a lively manner. If we all agreed it might be a bad sign. I just wish we could disagree in a more mature manner.
“AJ I wish you would stop accusing Hard Core Conservatives as tarnishing conservatism.”
Truth is that “hard core” anything is probably tarnishing. The most successful people in history have been people who knew how and when to compromise. To be a successful warrior, one must know how to retreat to their best advantage.
Comment I read somewhere else in the context of Zarqawi’s death:
AJ:
How do you reconcile “I have no problem with anyone speaking in this country – it is their right” with “Anne Coulter Needs To Keep Quiet.”?
Ann has zero tolerance for liberal hypocrisy. The Jersey Girls are rank hypocrites to blame Bush for 9/11 when their hero, Bill Clinton, did next to nothing to fight terrorism.
Ann Coulter, Marketing Genius…
Ann Coulter is going to sell a lot of books.
She does this every time. Liberals hate her, some conservatives do to, but the rest of us appreciate her edgy commentary and controversial remarks for what they are: press-generating, book marketing plans….
PBSSmith,
What you said is not what Anne said – and I have no problem with what you said. And Anne did not specify the 5 jersey girls, she let it stay generic. And Anne has no right to say the are happy with their husband’s deaths. It is a childish attack at best,
Like I said – if that is what you consider fair game, your not my kind of human being. What you said so far is fine. How far are you willing to sacrifice your morales and credibility for Anne Coulter – who is simply out trying to make as much money as she can?
We will create the Politics With Class party
and their slogan would be?
Politics With Class and Without a Clue
FE,
Your one insult away from being banned. I will deport you from this site if you cannot control yourself.
Cross,
No extreme is any good unless pure logic tells us so.
But I grant you the point. But how to define extreme? AH
Cartoons showing Dead Iraqis blaming marines, not a pissing contest.
BW
you said
As for the Pat Buchanan Republicans, I hope you do find more “conservative” sites than this one … I hope you find lots more. Really, I do. Honestly. Please. That group got 0.4% of the popular vote in 2000. We need Pat to run every year as far as I am concerned. It will keep those people busy.
In fact, they are so rare, I’ve don’t know one and don’t think I’ve read anything any of them have to say, so don’t really know what they believe.
Crossp, think you’ll mature enough to do this?
If we all agreed it might be a bad sign. I just wish we could disagree in a more mature manner
CrossP, you said
“I was born after Truman but if every there was a Harry Truman in my time,”
and
“The most successful people in history have been people who knew how and when to compromise”
Do you have any idea how many people wanted him to compromise on the issue of dropping the Atomic Bomb. Thank God he DID NOT
compromise.
FE,
Your one insult away from being banned. I will deport you from this site if you cannot control yourself.
Left by AJStrata on June 8th, 2006
It’s not clear to me what you consider an insult, it seems that if I lift a quote or make a quote that proves you are wrong, that you consider it an insult.
Like somebody just above said, do you or do you not believe in free speech. Is your answer to ban people that you disagree with? I think you post some of the things you do just to create controversy, If you just want an Amen corner, feel free
You can’t see the hypocricy of Saying Ann Coulter should keep quiet because she attacks the Jersey Girls for being political. If they are victims, do you think it is alright for them to use their victimhood to bash Bush?
I will say that, I try not to attack anyone personally, just as a defense when I’m being attacked.
AJ, oh this is what you consider an insult
you said:
“We will create the Politics With Class party”
and I said:
“and their slogan would be?
Politics With Class and Without a Clue ”
So it is fine to insult people and say they have no class? but me adding “without a clue IS an insult?
Do you recognize this?
HIGH FLYING POLITICAL DEBATE
Debate doesn’t include implying the opponent has no Class, does it?
You need to get a GRIP! Ann is Right on, she just has the Balls to Say it! I call it being Direct!
Think about it, Enjoying their Husbands’ Death, to paraphrase!! Did she say they were happy that their husbands were dead, NOOOOOOOOO! But to deny that they are using their circumstances to make political statements, enjoy their notoriety is a Damn LIE! I equate them to Cindy Shit Head!
Do I feel sorry for this woman and the Joisey Girls, yes, but Cindy Shithead has disgraced Casey, who was a Patriot and gave the ultimate sacrifice for this country, as well as her family and this country!
As I started this I shall end it, GET A F….king GRIP!
Think about it!
This says it much better than I:
“Among the activist leaders of 9/11 families’ groups it is safe to say that Debra Burlingame – whose brother, Charles, was the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon – is not a uniformly popular figure.
Ms Burlingame, a staunch Democrat, has become the first public 9/11 “dissident” – a vocal critic of the “blame game” being played over the al-Qaeda attacks – and an unlikely defender of George W Bush. For good measure, the outspoken former lawyer describes some of the bereaved 9/11 families as America’s “rock stars of grief”.
“I’ve practically been thrown out of meetings,” she says. “They’ve gotten very angry with me. But I’ve decided it’s very important that another voice is heard in the September 11 debate.”
Charles “Chic” Burlingame piloted the doomed American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon minutes after the twin towers of the World Trade Centre were struck. Since suffering the loss of her brother, Debra Burlingame has undergone an extraordinary and traumatic political education.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/27/wsept27.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/27/ixworld.html
Game, Point, Match! U R waaaay out in LEFT Field!
Did he ever get it right,
Quoting David Horowitz on the Bill O’Reilly show
“Ann Coulter is a national treasure”
David, you da man
As a lefty, I just want to encourage Ann Coulter and all her followers to really get out there and speak their minds, let the American people know what their brand of conservatism is really all about. Nothing could be better for the Democrats this fall and in ‘08. Thanks!
JASONTOON,
Only if you’ll promise to have Hitlary Front and Center every day!
Deal?