Jun 14 2006
National Security Over Mass Deportation
Deporting millions of illegal workers will waste law enforcement resources and put America at greater risk of missing a possible terrorist attack. Case in point, the 55 illegal workers picked up at Dulles Airport, 12 minutes from my house and the notorious Herndon Day Worker Center. This is why Reps who draw out a comprehensive solution are risking all our lives for some fantasiful idea of perfection. I doubt the workers were a risk to air transportation, but the fact is they have access to a very sensitive area at the airport. If we had background checks and IDs, etc. we would have a better chance of detecting a risk than this madness of a massive underground workforce. We must find the most expidited path to cull harmless workers from potential threats. And the fastest way is for the harmless workers to step forward on their own and submit to background checks, assimilation and a guest worker program. Worrying about 12 million ‘undocumented’ workers over the removal of this massive haystack of humanity to find the needles of terrorism is clear to anyone with a sense of urgency about our national security. the far right fighting an 80-20 battle against a lost cause.
If 90% of the immigrants are harmless and we can get them to come into the light of day that reduces our problem from 12 million people to 1.2 million people to deal with. Our security and law enforcement force is the same size no matter which problem we take on. If we waste precious time and cycles chasing workers and not risks we will pay in our own blood. What price purity?
AJ
As I have stated before, I have no political position on this issue, just an observer of effects of whatever legislation eventually evolves on this issue.
However I will observe there is some component of the border security issue that is viewed by many to be an important aspect of national security concerns. It is obvious , that if we wish to do indepth review of someone who gets on an aircraft at an airport, it is from that point of view you can draw the conclusion that more people pour across a border each year than can fly in or out on a plane that wish to do extreme damage to our nation.
Some consider securing the border a necessary requirement, or at least making it more difficult to cross without being detected. From their point of view, impact on illegal immigration is either a secondary benefit or noise they can ignore to concentrate on real threats with the limited resources available.
Yes we have had in the recent past a flood of illegal latinos being the most noticed group. However, this in my opinion has almost reached the point of self regulation. The retoric about doing work others won’t do is debatable in some quarters. But looking at the skill levels and areas of actual employment of all latinos, both legal and illegal, it is not hard to draw the conclusion that there is little more capability for absorbtion of furthur numbers of unskilled low education laborers in this country. Any furthur increase in thier numbers will only result in increased competition within thier own community.
Just plain supply and demand forces working here. Adopted law can put unlimited legal immigration and will not change this fact.
A good review of employment rates of latinos at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and historical trends will bear me out on this.
Legalization will only result in the short term on the greater impact of encroachment into jobs that the illegals consider too high profile due to thier illegal status and thus posted a risk to their exposure.
In summary , there are elements of border security that are relevant to national security. Making this effort on just that issue as part of a larger immigration issue, prevents and delays response to an important aspect of our security as a nation.
AJ, you said
When you present simple minded ideas like that you don’t impact the points made by serious people, you simply illustrate why no one should take you seriously. Do you honestly think that is how it works????
As you know, I have posted many times long and detailed reasons why the comprehensive bill won’t work. Nobody ever rebutts it point by point. As you know, it can’t be logically defended. So then you post something like this main point being how simple it would be to handle those workers at the airport and when I agree, and just do a line by line list of statements of how simple it is to put it in place you accuse me of being simple minded.
By the way, you said building the fence would take years, why? It only took about 14 months to build the empire state building back in the early ’30s.
Give me the contract and I would have it finished by Sept and I’m not even in the business. I would contract it out.
Also, as you know, I am on record as saying that no more than 100 miles of fence will EVER be in place. That is a smoke screen only.
you don’t impact the points made by serious people,
By the way, who are some of these “serious People”,, like TERRYE, did you see her proposal to start shooting wetbacks?
I’d just like to point out, for anybody who hasn’t been following Terrye’s posts, that that post about shooting “wetbacks” was 100% sarcasm. I’m astonished that anybody who’s a regular on these threads took that post literally.
Crikey, Mr. “For Enforcement” is the poster child of the fili-blustering, firebreathing, punish-them-all-because-my-Viagra-doesn’t-quite-
satisfy-my-needs-for-superiority-and-conquest… What a lame attempt to deflect and cast aspersions where they don’t belong. It shall be duly noted as a classic.
I will admit that I did recognize it as sarcasm, but I quoted it to show you what TERRYE thinks is a valid argument. I haven’t noticed her defending it as such.
SallyVee, and your point is?
Crikey, Mr. “For Enforcement†is the poster child of the fili-blustering, firebreathing, punish-them-all-because-my-Viagra-doesn’t-quite-
satisfy-my-needs-for-superiority-and-conquest… What a lame attempt to deflect and cast aspersions where they don’t belong. It shall be duly noted as a classic.
You noted that AJ had simplified the situation so that you could understand it easier and so then I simplified it even more so, so you could really understand it and now AJ has said what I said is too simple and you say all kinda things about me, except that what I said was wrong.
Since you do such an outstanding job of making your point, would you kindly quote from what I said the part about deflect and cast aspersions. I don’t believe it’s in there, but I’m sure you will make you point and quote it directly.
Actually I had agreed with AJ that the whole process is very simple
Here are the significant points from the original post.
Deporting millions of illegal workers will waste law enforcement resources
Case in point, the 55 illegal workers picked up at Dulles Airport,
This is why Reps who draw out a comprehensive solution are risking all our lives for some fantasiful idea of perfection.
I doubt the workers were a risk to air transportation, but the fact is they have access to a very sensitive area at the airport.
If we had background checks and IDs, etc. we would have a better chance of detecting a risk
We must find the most expidited path to cull harmless workers from potential threats.
And the fastest way is for the harmless workers to step forward on their own and submit to background checks, assimilation and a guest worker program.
If 90% of the immigrants are harmless and we can get them to come into the light of day
that reduces our problem from 12 million people to 1.2 million people to deal with.
If we waste precious time and cycles chasing workers and not risks
I merely simplified it to this.
There were some illegal immigrants working at the Airport in a sensitive area.
They may or may not have been a threat
If ICE had posted a notice that “if any illegals are working here, let us know and we will give you amnestyâ€
All the illegals will come forward, get amnesty and continue working right there.
Problem is solved.
Whoops, the terrorist that was there came forward also, he had just kept his “terrorist diploma†hidden after he graduated from Al Quaeda’s basic training, where they taught him to do that I might add.
Would you point out the substantive differences?