Oct 16 2013
House GOP Needs To Pass Senate Compromise, So They Can Fight Again In 2014
So, would the House GOP be surrendering today if they vote to support the Senate plan to extend the Debt Limit to Feb 2014 and funding until Jan 2014?
No, they would not.
They would be living to fight another day AND be in a good spot to attack ObamaCare’s individual mandate. Because weeks more of ObamaCrash in sight, the GOP hand will be stronger after the holidays.
So go ahead GOP, reopen the government and begin the investigations into the Shutdown Theater and Healthcare.gov. And build the PR case for the fights to come in 2014. This ain’t over yet!
Update: Also note that the Shutdown has done one good thing: it has exposed Dems and GOP alike to the voters outrage.
Just eight percent (8%) of Likely U.S. Voters would vote to keep the entire current Congress. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 78% would vote instead to get rid of the entire Congress and start over again.
Everyone starts at rock bottom for the midterms, which is good for the GOP. Now, who is going to win the 2014 argument? The GOP can since ObamaCare is such a costly disaster. Long term folks, think long term.
Update: BTW, Holding The Line will require a year or two of focused efforts. ObamaCare will not be fixed in one budget cycle – neither will it be up and running. So a strategic stand down while we garner and re-plan our forces is not a bad strategy.
I tend to agree, much as I dislike the deal.
The House GOP scores points for being willing to compromise. Avoiding default is a responsible thing to do.
And the real battlefield isn’t in the Continuing Resolutions, but in the appropriation bills. Pass those – in a carefully chosen strategic order. Defense first. Then the other agencies. End with HHS…and split that into the rest of HHS, followed by Obamacare.
Then toss Obamacare under the “Not Affordable” bus.
Obama will throw a tantrum…but if he vetos a DOD appropriation to protect his precious Obamacare, the Republicans are in a lovely position to run on that.
Is anyone, besides establishment Repubs, celebrating their bi-partisan agreement to “kick the can down the road” until February 2014? Does a bi-partisan agreement to continue the status quo a few months do anything to solve anything?
I think it could just be another trap by the Dems. I believe they plan to force another government shutdown/debt limit default risk again in February 2014 unless they get increased spending (remove sequester cuts) and increased debt limit at that time. Establishment Repubs will cave quicker than you can say “jack rabbit” because they won’t the optics/rhetoric of being blamed again for another shutdown.
I can only hope that if they succeed…..
2014 gives them a rude awakening.
No, No, No, and No!
“The House GOP scores points for being willing to compromise. ”
There is no ‘compromise’ there is only capitulation, complete surrender.
If a Republican is only strong enough to give a Dimocrat everything he wants, how is that compromise?
“Avoiding default is a responsible thing to do.” How is it a responsible thing to do for Republicans, but not Dimocrats?
Once this is passed and the funds are made available for Obamacare, there is no going back.
MIKE M: ” in a carefully chosen strategic order. Defense first. Then the other agencies. End with HHS…and split that into the rest of HHS, followed by Obamacare.” you say approve Defense then …down to Obamacare. Once Defense is approved, there is no veto of it for anything else. I sure don’t see him vetoing funding for Obamacare.
Nope, this is complete and total surrender for the Republicans. Just throwing in the towel as Rino’s always do. They talk a big game, well, except some such as Lindsay Graham or John McCain, but then they just surrender.
Frogg 1: ” Establishment Repubs will cave quicker than you can say “jack rabbit” ”
So true, Frogg.
The big lie is that we might default. It’s not going to happen at present tax income levels. The feds have enough cash coming in to pay debt obligations.
What is going to happen if we keep going into deeper and deeper debt is going to be the BIG default. When our creditors stop loaning and call in thier loans.. Then its all gonna go. Obamacare….. everything. We will be forced to live inside our means.
Redteam,
I did not say compromise, I am saying pass this and get prepared for the Jan 2014 battle. By that time the cries to suspend ObamaCare for a year will be deafening – and the House GOP will have HUGE leverage.
Wars are not one in a single battle, they are won over many battles. Including some where you pull back a bit and suck the enemy into a cross fire.
look at it as a military campaign – the current assault was neither well-planned nor well organized. The focus should not have been on defunding, which gave the MSM the excuse to talk about that, and ignore the fact that the Obamacare rollout has failed miserably.
The focus should have been on the disaster that was the Obamacare rollout – it is as if even the republicans didn’t realize it would really be as bad as it is. But there’s still time to refocus on that, since the Obamacare disaster is going to go on and on and on. But when a unit is overextended and exposed, as the house republicans are right now, it makes sense to pull back to a more defensible position while giving up as little territory as possible. Then you can lay the groundwork for the next advance.
Now the GOP can “strategically retreat” or whatever euphemism you wish to use on immigration by granting amnesty. Once that happens, game over.
GOP caves again as usual.
“Wars are not one in a single battle,” when the opposition (Republicans) get wiped out in the first assault, the war is over. That’s what is occurring today. There will be no battle in Jan, there will only be one side left then.
” the current assault was neither well-planned nor well organized. ” there was little wrong with the planning or organization. Who knew that one side (Republicans) was loaded with traitors.
“Now the GOP can “strategically retreat”” there was no retreat, just complete annihilation.
“GOP caves again as usual.” it was an unusual, total surrender.
It’ll be a long time before the Republicans will fight again.
I don’t think so. The Tea Party is standing behind the GOP…ready to cut down anyone who breaks and runs with a primary challenge.
This is merely a disengagement to set up the counterattack.
And it lets Obamacare finish imploding…which kills immigration amnesty with it.
I think the fight was worth it, even if the ending was less than optimal. It put those who supported it on record as saying, We fought against this. That will matter, as things play out.
When the health insurance industry begins to collapse under the weight of Obamacare (it’s coming, soon) then those who opposed today will be the only ones who have credibility, even though they have lost the battle in the short term.
I’m in favor (and have been) of letting this thing take effect, and letting it collapse and take down about 10% of our economy with it, which will put us into another bad recession, if not a depression. That’s the only way the average person will learn what this leads to. Now of course it was morally responsible to try and stop it, but we tried and failed.
So now….
Let it Burn.
Position yourselves to pick up the pieces after it does. The system has to fail completely before it can be reset.
At this point, there are two problems:
1. Some Republican squishes who need to move on. Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Lamar Alexander, and Thad Cochran fall into this category.
2. Ted Cruz also needs to move on. He has proven he thinks with his genitalia. Genitalia is used for boinking, brains are used for thinking. Any member of Congress who cannot grasp that simple concept needs to be sent packing as well.