Jul 20 2006
Fly By 07/20/06
More light posting I am afraid.
The noise from Europe that the Israeli actions will swell the ranks of the terrorists is a joke. What will swell the ranks is if Israel falters and the islamo fascists smell blood. What will temper the movement is another thumping defeat after Afghanistan and Iraq. If Israel decimates Hezbollah then that will be another sign to Muslims that living in peace and building a good life is a much better way to demonstrate honor and achievement. All the goose-stepping in black fatigues waving flags is simply a waste of precious time. Hezbollah is getting a harsh and well deserved lesson on what the term ‘might’ means.
I am glad Bush vetoed the Embryonic Stem Cell Bill passed by what is a more and more dysfunctional Congress. Human embryos are human beings, that is a scientific fact. The term ’embryo’ defines a stage of life in mammals. It does not define the type of mammal. That is determined by the genes. And the same genes that can be used in a crime to determine guilt or innocence are absolutely clear when used on human embryos. Those same legal tests will demonstrate that the human embryo is a unique human individual – not some extension of the mother’s body or tissues or cells. So harvesting human beings frozen in suspended animation is no more moral than harvesting them 3 weeks later in their life when they begin to become a fetus – another scientific term that describes the stage of a life, not the form or type of life. The reason abortion has lost its support is because it was killing for convenience to too many people. And this is no different. Killing an embryo (and yes, it is killing it to suck out the essence of the life to be) to speed up medical treatments (and profits) is a matter of convenience to too many. Check out the Washington Post’s disdain for the lives of some of these embryo’s:
At a White House ceremony where he was joined by children produced from what he called “adopted” frozen embryos, Bush said taxpayers should not support research on surplus embryos at fertility clinics, even if they offer possible medical breakthroughs and are slated for disposal.
Adoption also hase a clear definition. Those children are genetically not related to their parents. Again, the same legal tests used in courts today would unambiguously show this the case. So these parents did adopt these kids to raise as their own. And that is what happens when you do not kill an embryo and steal its stem cells. It grows into a later stage of life, also known as ‘a child’.
A funny thing is happening in the media. It appears the luster is falling off the Wilsons and their wild stories as the media realizes the price they paid for a nothing story.
Hope everyone has a great day!
Loved this paragraph in the WAPO story:
”But there’s more futility — and fatigue — to come. The futility will be evident in the acquittal next year of Vice President Cheney’s former chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. The acquittal will be yet another symbol of the misuse of prosecutorial time that is the big problem with leak investigations. ”
Somebody should read it to Fitz.
“Human embryos are human beings, that is a scientific fact.”
No, it is not. Not even close, and repeating it multiple times doesn’t make it so.
A human being is a sovereign individual and thus your claim is the patently bogus.
I’m actually pro-abortion. And, I’m against stem cell research turning into a POT OF GOLD for universities; which do NOT need anymore of our money.
If you think you can take aborted fetuses and get to drugs that will solve your aging problems, for instance; have I got news for you. Extending life with medications that make you sick is just a way to destroy your own life. While you believe in fairy tales.
And, the craziest among the crazies in the Ph.D field get to have all the bonuses. Like we need to do this with TAX MONEY!
Here’s a clue.
When the computer age began, back in the early 80’s. It did not take off in universities. As a matter of fact, Bill Gates quit Harvard. And, worked in his dad’s garage to come up with his business. Wasn’t built on goverment grants. Let me tell ya!
You won’t get good science if Congress is involved. You’ll get something that looks like the “Big Dig” in Boston, though.
Sure. There’s a reality. An abortion ends the life of a kid “you could’a had,” when in most cases there’s reasons for adults to make such decisions … Which come from all over the map.
Even the statistics you’ve been told to swallow are UNtrue. Illegal abrortions killed MOMS with kids; who didn’t want another. That’s how desperate they were!
And, there’s nothing out there, yet, that proves adoptions work. You just don’t hear all the horror stories. And, you should never believe sugar-coated stories, anyway.
I’m glad the President veto’ed Stem Cell Research. He KNOWS the clowns that were lining up for the grant money. It would buy us NOTHING.
You don’t think that research goes on, anyway?
Then, you don’t know that without MIT and Stanford even offering computer courses, back when Bill Gates was young; most of the stuff that developed didn’t take Ph.D’s to do. (Those people, now, are very late to the ballgame.)
And, once the universities, or the goverment, gets involved; out the window goes all creativity. And, coming in, instead, you get politics. And, you might as well go and throw that money down sewers.
Good ideas have always been able to raise INVESTMENT cash. That’s where YOU put your money where your mouth is. Risk it. Sometimes? You bet. It pays off. (Take the Birth Control pill, for instance. If you bought Syntex you made profits. From Wall Street.)
Stem cells are the same thing. But so far there isn’t one idea out there that’s gonna prove beneficial. Except for Code Pink. This, for them, was gonna be their new bread and butter. Who-ey.
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Last night, Hugh Hewitt asked Erwin Chemerinsky about Joe and Val. There is a little bit of news in this interview! Seems Joe and Val really don’t need the money their are attempt to raise. In this interview Chemerinsky does not sound as smart as he is billed to be, either that or he is total vacate of the “facts” of this case.
HH: I’m joined now by Erwin Chemerinsky, professor of law at Duke University Law School, John Eastman, my colleague, professor of law at Chapman University Law School. John from the right, Erwin from the left. We’ve got to cover the just war theory as applied to Israel’s response to the Lebanon terror attacks mounted by Hezbollah. But first, Erwin, you’re of counsel to Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.
EC: I am. I’m co-counsel in their lawsuit against Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby and Karl Rove. It was filed last Thursday in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia.
HH: Please tell me you’re getting paid, Erwin.
EC: I’m not. I’m doing this pro bono.
HH: Unbelievable. Now Erwin, of course it’s all nonsense, and Joe Wilson…what are you going to do when he gets on the stand and people try and reconcile his eight different versions of what he said and did?
EC: Oh, I don’t think there’s eight different versions. I think we have an extremely strong case. Here’s what we all know at this point. Joseph Wilson wrote an op-ed in the New York Times, in which he showed that there were falsehoods in President Bush’s State of the Union address. As a result of that, the Vice President, his top aide, Lewis Libby, and the President’s key political advisor, Karl Rove, decided to reveal that Valerie Plame was a secret CIA operative. They did so by telling journalists like Robert Novak this, and was reported by Robert Novak in a column published three weeks ago Friday. You know, I’ve heard you and John say so many times that those who release classified information commit treason. The first President Bush said there’s nothing more despicable than revealing the identity of a secret CIA agent. I think you should share my outrage here, and I think both of you should volunteer, along with me, to represent Valerie Plame Wilson and Joseph Wilson.
HH: I’ll let John respond in just one second. But has Joe Wilson contradicted himself as to his public accounts of what happened?
JE: He has, and it’s pretty well documented, both before the 9/11 Commission and in House representatives’ investigation into this, that his official report was distinctly different from what he published in the New York Times.
HH: Erwin, do you agree with that?
EC: I do not agree with that at all. I think his official report was he found no evidence that Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Africa.
HH: Did the 9/11 Commission find differently?
JE: It did.
HH: Erwin?
EC: I don’t…I would have to go back, to be honest, and look at what the 9/11 Commission found.
HH: You haven’t looked at that yet???
EC: I read it, but I sure didn’t look at this aspect of it, since…
HH: And you took the case???
EC: Oh, this has nothing to do with the case. You know, even if everything Joseph Wilson said was wrong, and as far as I know it was quite true, it still was completely inappropriate to reveal that his wife was a secret CIA agent, solely for retaliation, because they didn’t like what he was saying.
HH: John Eastman…
EC: If you disagree with him, reveal what he’s saying is wrong. Attack him. But don’t reveal that his wife’s a secret agent for the CIA.
HH: John Eastman, Joe Wilson’s a liar.
JE: Well, he is, and two, it wasn’t just for mere retaliation purposes. Valerie Plame, at the time, was understood to be the person who was responsible, or at least involved, in the decision to send Joe Wilson over to Niger to look at this. The administration was trying to figure out how this guy, and how a cabal in the CIA who were so obviously anti-administration position, could have played such a pivotal role in trying to undercut the administration’s policies. I think it was perfectly fair game for the administration to say we’ve got somebody over in CIA who’s partly responsible for this, and to disclose to the press that connection, so we have the full story.
EC: I want to respond.
JE: Now the complaint that Erwin…
HH: Of course, Erwin. I’ll let you. Go ahead.
JE: Yeah, the complaint that Erwin has filed makes no allegation that any of the disclosures were done knowing that Valerie Plame was a classified CIA operative, other than just an employee over there. And I think that’s pretty important.
HH: Go ahead, Erwin.
EC: I apologize for interrupting. I thought that John was done. John, if you’re going to use strong languages like liar, you should be sure what you’re saying is accurate. And in this instance, the CIA verified that Joseph Wilson was not sent because of any suggestion, or even with the knowledge of Valerie Plame Wilson. She had absolutely nothing to do with why Joseph Wilson was sent to Africa and to Iraq to see whether or not there was the purchasing of uranium. And the allegation of the complaint is that her status as a secret CIA operative was private, that here what you had was public disclosure of private facts. You had it as retaliation for free speech, and I think that states many claims under the Constitution under tort law.
HH: All right. Now I want to switch…
JE: Hang on. Let me go back, because that’s not what I said, Erwin. I said at the time, there was some indication that Valerie Plame may have been involved in the decision to send Joe Wilson over. She was his wife, and she was working at the CIA. It was that that made it fair game to discuss, so we get the full story of how this thing came to be, and what his bias in the reporting might be, so that we can understand the veracity of it, and whether he is trying to skew what he learned because of an animosity toward the administration. That’s perfectly fair game, and it is routine politics in Washington. And to make a federal case out of it is, I think, bordering on frivolous. And beyond that, it’s…I think it’s fairly clearly going to get dismissed on various immunity grounds.
HH: All right. Now I’ve got to switch, gentlemen……..
Sorry I forgot to add the link
http://www.radioblogger.com/#001760
If Erwin is doing this pro-Bono then why are Joe and Val raising funds? Erwin doesn’t even know the basic facts of this case.
Did Erwin make news in this interview or did he misspeak or is the the transcriptions incorrect? Here is the part I am talking about:
EC: I apologize for interrupting. I thought that John was done. John, if you’re going to use strong languages like liar, you should be sure what you’re saying is accurate. And in this instance, the CIA verified that Joseph Wilson was not sent because of any suggestion, or even with the knowledge of Valerie Plame Wilson. She had absolutely nothing to do with why Joseph Wilson was sent to Africa and to Iraq to see whether or not there was the purchasing of uranium. And the allegation of the complaint is that her status as a secret CIA operative was private, that here what you had was public disclosure of private facts. You had it as retaliation for free speech, and I think that states many claims under the Constitution under tort law.
Did Joe go to Iraq too? hmmmmm
Sharpshooter,
“A human being is a sovereign individual and thus your claim is the patently bogus.”
You can’t make up a definition and then use that definition to disprove anything. And further, if by “sovereign”,if you meant “independent”, all babies are dependent.
Civilized societies don’t canabalize their young.
Stay focussed on the pork.
IF the universities are promising you “cures” … you’d be dumb to believe them. Just as you try to say an abortion is just tissue. Or it’s more than that. Nothing lives that comes out too early.
And, lots of women who want babies still lose their pregnancies. Whee the only word is ABORTION. There’s no medical term called “miscarriage.”
Now. If people think that the cells that come out following the loss of a pregnancy are really things that could be used later; why not have someone start a business whereby all this stuff … Including umbilical cords. And, Placenta. Can also go home with the families. There ya go. All ya need a sophisticated Zip Loc bags that can take the refrigeration. Or, maybe, ya could just sell storage space?
IF the stuff worked people wouldn’t throw away the “products” of delivery, either.
But the one thing that PORK does … is that it lines up the people who know how to write grants. BULLSHIT ARTISTS. With Ph.D degrees.
And, what’s worse? The scientists will go where there’s the most MONEY. Even if the results turn out to be crap.
When I was young, polio was the big scare. Kids weren’t allowed to go to the beach. And, I knew kids that got polio. Then, we got both the Salk and the Sabin vaccines. But ya know what? Neither Salk nor Sabin ever GOT A SINGLE DIME FROM THE MARCH OF DIMES!
“Charities” aren’t looking for cures, either.
If this argument about stem cell reseach doesn’t scare the average American into realizing it would be a TAX WINDFALL for the worst “science” money could buy. Won’t work. The terrible illnesses still make their human claims. Because that’s the world we live in.
Otherwise, a long time ago, Moses would have found a way to live forever. (God told him “no.”)
Growing old is tough enough, you don’t have to add make-believe scientific boondoggles to the bad stuff people fear.
And, what kind of science could you get from tax money? On par with the crap that went into Boston’s BIG DIG. Did you hear? To fix the failures they now want more money.
Sometimes, it’s like dealing with addicts. And, ya gotta cut the supply. While if a dope fiend is pregnant, and wants her baby; either way. I just don’t care.
Carol, the cord blood (and part of the afterbirth gunk) is recovered and “put in zip-lock bags” — oh, okay, something a little more secure. But, anyway, the baby/child/person later afflicted with any of an entire gamut of diseases, whose cord blood is preserved, reportedly has a big “edge” in full recovery from that affliction. Also, a sibling or other close relative where everything necessary matches, can likewise beat the usual debilitation and/or premature introduction to the Grim Reaper.
Problem is, it’s a very expensive proposition so few can afford to have their own potential panacea processed, frozen and stored on the “if-come.”
The point is, though, embryonic stem cell does not offer a “better” avenue than cord blood or adult stem cell, and in fact the latter may offer a better, faster, and less risky path; so there would seem to have to be some other reason for the activists to be beating their drums for federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, when there’s just about total silence on pursuing research on adult stem cell and cord blood research.
MerryJ1. If you’d buy “special” ziplok bags to hold old tampons. And, whatever else crap comes out of the body, go ahead. I don’t think it’s a seller, though. I don’t think most people would take a placenta home with them. Or save their baby’s first pooped diaper. (Even if they were told it held special pre-birth goodies that kept the baby alive for nine months.)
As to the story that some people don’t want stem cell research, that’s okay. People have their religious beliefs. What I am trying to point out is that there are LOTS OF PEOPLE, even pro-choice people, who should know better when it comes to our buracracy trying to create “science.” More likely all they create are pork barrels.
And, stem cell research keeps alive the professional fools who are otherwise disgracing what a college education should be.
SO, I am AGAINST our government providing tax payer money to LUNATICS. Who won’t discover cures! But they will KILL any real science.
How bad could it get? There used to be the March of Dimes. They thought polio would never be cured. It affected children. And, it was a great fund raiser. You didn’t even have to be religous, to give them dimes. TURNS OUT THEY NEVER GAVE SALK OR SABIN one thin dime! And, then when polio was cured they went on to raise money for birth defects. Probably knowing nothing will come down the pike to save bad genetics from turning out kids that suffer from such disasters. Most of the time, however, NATURE HERSELF SLUFFS THESE PREGNANCIES OFF. Sometimes, a woman doesn’t even know she’s pregnant. But the DNA doesn’t manufacture much. And, the woman menstruates. Perhaps we can have bag made that safe this stuff? But I wouldn’t put it into my pocketbook. (And, I used to always have a supply of Tampax.) I’m not shy of using methods to hold back blood.
Just unwilling to give congress a pork barrel which they’ll use to enrich professors at college … who figure out the type of paper needed to type up their grants. And, this has nothing at all to do with “by-products.” Of course. You can dream on. You can believe people don’t grow old, either. Or that anexoria is a way of life.
“Adult stem cells” come from the person who has the problem. What if someone said they should save their urine and drink it? You don’t think freaky “cures” come along all the time?
Get congress out of the business of delivering hokum.
And, leave religious people alone. This isn’t all their argument. That’s what I’m saying. This one can cover a large segment of adults, who just don’t want to be scammed. Let alone scammed when they get sick.