That may be something that everyone on this site, Macs’ and Thinker, etc., all of us political junkies, already knew. But it is not something that most casual news readers were aware of.

When — not if, when we go in to flatten Syria and/or Iran, the reasons and the necessity will be understood and integrated into the collective American psyche (excluding the usual suspects like Dean, Kos, NYT and the rest of the true subversives).

A hot game of Texas Hold’em, anyone?

“BTW Enforcement what is the point in having a man like Bolton at the UN if we are not going to let him do his job”

Macker,, you may be right, but I don’t see it now. Maybe it will be.

“Bush and Rice likely pulled a brilliant tactical move by focusing world attention on the disarming of Hezbollah, leaving Israel with all its options.

So now as a result, Hezbollah is gonna disarm (they say they’re not, and Lebanon says it was Israel’s place to disarm them)
And Israel’s options are? Duck and say a prayer? what are some of the others. Surely if they fire now, they’ll be blamed for starting it.
you also said:
“Too many conservatives are bellowing “sell out” as they did with the Dubai Ports deal. ”
I agree with you on that and I certainly wasn’t one of them. I believed the Dubai deal should have stood. I see them as long standing allies.
I’d rather run the Chinese out of all the ports they are running here in the US, but the Dems let that happen so they can’t blame Bush, so they’re keeping their mouths shut.

Israel is in a safer position now and both Bush and Olmert have brought clarity to the interference of Syria and Iran.
A prolonged guerrilla war in Lebanon was not in anyone’s interest.

Bush and Rice likely pulled a brilliant tactical move by focusing world attention on the disarming of Hezbollah, leaving Israel with all its options.

I am wrong about something every damn day of my life. But saying that the US forced Israel to lose a war is ridiculous. Really it is.

I just think that the Right ran with this, just like they did Dubai and now they are too invested to admit that maybe it would be better to wait a few days before they decide that Israel lost and Condi screwed up and it all sucks all the time and we are all going to die.

I remember when this all started that Jennifer from Fox made the point that Hezbellah was popular in Lebanon because they were thought to be incorruptable and because they had stood up to Israel in the decades long conflict that did not end until the occupation of southern Lebanon ended in 2000. This is not about fighting an army. If it was there would be no contest. This is about a very old grudge and whatever happens here today, this will go on.

Glick is very passionate and believes in what she says. I don’t think there is anything wrong with her. I just do not always agree with her.She is just a Likudnik.

Tell me about Glick. I do not know all the background….
thx!

“Let them down? How did they let them down?” I answered that, Pres Bush pressured Israel to accept cease fire. that was a major let down.

In either case whether I’m right or wrong, Terrye, you are right.

Hezbollah non consegnerà le proprie armi al governo libanese, ma si limiterà a non esibirle in pubblico. Se questo è il compromesso raggiunto tra il primo ministro Fuad Siniora e il leader dei terroristi, Hassan Nasrallah, ha probabilmente ragione B…

Israel is not a pile of rubble. There are not 35,000 armed Hezbellah in Israel. Tel Aviv was not bombed. The infrastrucuture was not destroyed. A thousand Israelis did not die.

If we call this losing a war then I think we need to rethink what has always been considered losing and winning. If all it takes to win a war is to stand on a pile of rubble and declare yourself yourself the winner, then why do we even bother having a military?

Forced them to quit. That is just stupid.

Let them down? How did they let them down? The US gave them a green light and kept it on as long as possible, they managed to get them the most proIsrael resolution in history. There is no indication at all that Israel was stopped, or hampered, or anything else. In fact when this started the goal was to get back the soldiers and push Hezbellah off the border, only in the fantasies of the Right did Israel promise to wipe Hezbellah out. That was not on the radar. ever.

What was Bush supposed to do? Declare himself King and go fight Hezbellah for them?

I mean really, I am so tired of this constant backstabbing. Now after the Dubai nonsense we have gone from Bush sells ports to terrorists to kill us all to Bush sells out Israel and won’t let them beat the terrorists because he is a bad man crap.

with friends like this base no Republican president needs enemies.

I don’t much care for Glick.

The bottom line for me is that this is Israel’s business. If the Israeli people want to replace Olmert and company then they can, they have a democracy. But we are not the ones the rockets will be landing on. We are not the ones who will be occupying the country of Lebanon and keeping Hezbellah at bay. Now if the right wing in Israel had wanted to go after Hezbellah they had years to do it. But it was left to Olmert.

It seems to me that there are people in Israel who are using this the same way Democrats use Iraq here in this country, to gain a domestic political advantage.

But it does not change the fact that for more than 20 years Hezbellah has been there in Lebanon and Olmert was the first PM in many years who actually confronted them. If they want to send him packing they can, but I just think people are forgetting the fact that if those soldiers had not been taken none of this would have happened. Glick would not be making demands or anything else. Nasrallah would be operating with virtual impunity in the south the none of these people would be writing opeds about it.