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		<title>By: Thespis Journal</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17380</link>
		<dc:creator>Thespis Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Another Contrived Clinton Controversy...&lt;/strong&gt;

All of the contrived hysteria in the last two days regarding the ABC made for television movie, The Path to 9-11 has itsÂ’ generations in the political philosophy of Bill Clinton. The highly orchestrated response of the Clinton spin machine wafted ove....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another Contrived Clinton Controversy&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>All of the contrived hysteria in the last two days regarding the ABC made for television movie, The Path to 9-11 has itsÂ’ generations in the political philosophy of Bill Clinton. The highly orchestrated response of the Clinton spin machine wafted ove&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Spook</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17319</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OOOh Carolâ€™s gonna slap you sooooo soooo sillly&lt;/i&gt;

Aha!  Then you don&#039;t deny that you&#039;re at least related?  You both sound like interesting people to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>OOOh Carolâ€™s gonna slap you sooooo soooo sillly</i></p>
<p>Aha!  Then you don&#8217;t deny that you&#8217;re at least related?  You both sound like interesting people to know.</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17306</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retired Spook

OOOh Carol&#039;s gonna slap you sooooo soooo sillly

Snark off/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retired Spook</p>
<p>OOOh Carol&#8217;s gonna slap you sooooo soooo sillly</p>
<p>Snark off/</p>
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		<title>By: pull</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17300</link>
		<dc:creator>pull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another cool link on this:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015216.php

(I remain a skeptic this will do more good then harm. And I remain angry and disgusted at these people. But, as they say again and again in their jingo speak, &quot;business as usual&quot; -- sic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another cool link on this:<br />
<a href="http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015216.php" rel="nofollow">http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015216.php</a></p>
<p>(I remain a skeptic this will do more good then harm. And I remain angry and disgusted at these people. But, as they say again and again in their jingo speak, &#8220;business as usual&#8221; &#8212; sic.)</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Spook</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17299</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merlin, are you, by any chance, Carol Herman&#039;s evil twin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merlin, are you, by any chance, Carol Herman&#8217;s evil twin?</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17247</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I most likely will not watch the &quot;New Agenda Revised Edition&quot; of this documentary, because of the fact I was never very fond of the Muffets!

Hey JFK supposedly did the wiggle with Marylin Monroe and had a wife that sure didn&#039;t appear to be Hillary&#039;s twin, and Mr. Clinton had a long and storied expose of involvement with Ms. Piggy!

Sorry Monica , get real and get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I most likely will not watch the &#8220;New Agenda Revised Edition&#8221; of this documentary, because of the fact I was never very fond of the Muffets!</p>
<p>Hey JFK supposedly did the wiggle with Marylin Monroe and had a wife that sure didn&#8217;t appear to be Hillary&#8217;s twin, and Mr. Clinton had a long and storied expose of involvement with Ms. Piggy!</p>
<p>Sorry Monica , get real and get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: MerlinOS2</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17246</link>
		<dc:creator>MerlinOS2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like this is not the role of the party that is supposed to take over Hollywood, oops Washington in the midterms.

Could they be realizing the polls have been smoked for the last recent history and they are finally waking up to the fact they have a problem?

Lamont has not achieved sainthood and old joe didn&#039;t head for the bomb shelter.  What&#039;s a dem to do?

GW admits to CIA overseas facilities and the NYT circulation doesn&#039;t double, what a concept.

I know it was lost in the Katie Couric kerfuffle.  And the dems say GW ain&#039;t shrewd.

Nancy Pelosi eat yer heart out, assuming you have one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like this is not the role of the party that is supposed to take over Hollywood, oops Washington in the midterms.</p>
<p>Could they be realizing the polls have been smoked for the last recent history and they are finally waking up to the fact they have a problem?</p>
<p>Lamont has not achieved sainthood and old joe didn&#8217;t head for the bomb shelter.  What&#8217;s a dem to do?</p>
<p>GW admits to CIA overseas facilities and the NYT circulation doesn&#8217;t double, what a concept.</p>
<p>I know it was lost in the Katie Couric kerfuffle.  And the dems say GW ain&#8217;t shrewd.</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi eat yer heart out, assuming you have one!</p>
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		<title>By: Retired Spook</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17240</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired Spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And, this:

â€œEven Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â€œ9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â€ New York Times, September 6, 2006] â€&lt;/i&gt;

Kean is being interviewed on Fox and Friends as I write this.  He just said that many of the people who are criticizing this have not yet seen it, and that &quot;it is very well done&quot;.  So much for using his name to slam the movie.

Talk about parallel universe logic.  From the Left we have criticism of &quot;fictionalized scenes&quot; in a docu-&quot;DRAMA&quot; and praise of totally untruthful and fabricated scenes in MM&#039;s &quot;documentary&quot;.  Strange world in which we live.

One more thing: (if I sound angry, it&#039;s because I am) I can&#039;t seem to work up any sympathy for one of the people who seems to be most offended by this movie -- Sandy Burgler;  a guy who got a slap on the wrist for stealing and destroying classified material when he should have ended up in a Federal Prison for a very long time.  OK, rant over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And, this:</p>
<p>â€œEven Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â€œ9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â€ New York Times, September 6, 2006] â€</i></p>
<p>Kean is being interviewed on Fox and Friends as I write this.  He just said that many of the people who are criticizing this have not yet seen it, and that &#8220;it is very well done&#8221;.  So much for using his name to slam the movie.</p>
<p>Talk about parallel universe logic.  From the Left we have criticism of &#8220;fictionalized scenes&#8221; in a docu-&#8221;DRAMA&#8221; and praise of totally untruthful and fabricated scenes in MM&#8217;s &#8220;documentary&#8221;.  Strange world in which we live.</p>
<p>One more thing: (if I sound angry, it&#8217;s because I am) I can&#8217;t seem to work up any sympathy for one of the people who seems to be most offended by this movie &#8212; Sandy Burgler;  a guy who got a slap on the wrist for stealing and destroying classified material when he should have ended up in a Federal Prison for a very long time.  OK, rant over.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is stupid as hell. It really is. I don&#039;t doubt that the film is not gospel, but the the truth is the facts are probably worse.  Perhaps they would prefer a series, going into greater and more specific detail.

For years we have seen people like Michael Moore do their b.s. bushitler films and now Spike Lee has come up with some crappy film about Katrina, but that&#039;s ok. Why they can even kill Bush in a &quot;docudrama&quot; and somehow act as if that is acceptable or normal or whatever.

But hey, someone points out the obvious,  Bill Clinton did not get Osama any of the times he had the oppurtunity to do it and the Democrats forget we have a Constitution.

They worry about the right of some freaking terrorists to place phone calls, but Disney&#039;s right to run a movie? Screw that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is stupid as hell. It really is. I don&#8217;t doubt that the film is not gospel, but the the truth is the facts are probably worse.  Perhaps they would prefer a series, going into greater and more specific detail.</p>
<p>For years we have seen people like Michael Moore do their b.s. bushitler films and now Spike Lee has come up with some crappy film about Katrina, but that&#8217;s ok. Why they can even kill Bush in a &#8220;docudrama&#8221; and somehow act as if that is acceptable or normal or whatever.</p>
<p>But hey, someone points out the obvious,  Bill Clinton did not get Osama any of the times he had the oppurtunity to do it and the Democrats forget we have a Constitution.</p>
<p>They worry about the right of some freaking terrorists to place phone calls, but Disney&#8217;s right to run a movie? Screw that.</p>
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		<title>By: pull</title>
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		<dc:creator>pull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the optimism, but...

A lot of people are angry. This isn&#039;t some partisan bickering point. These guys are rabid. They have already instituted a new level of extreme Left propaganda to mainstream America. Now, they are introducing extreme Left censorship tactics.

Maybe this will score some Republican points?

If we win in the short time and this kind of thing continues... we will lose in the long run.

Personally, I am unaware of precedents here... maybe mainstream propaganda like Farenheit 9/11 and Syriana is not without precedent... the movie &quot;Hair&quot;? maybe... maybe, what,  &quot;Easy Rider&quot;?... maybe mainstream calls of censorship - of this magnitude - are not without precedent? 

I have kids and quite a number of years left, hopefully, and I would like to be able to stay here. With 34% of the population answering &quot;Yes&quot; to &#039;do you think the government had something to do with 9/11&#039; - to paraphrase - I am concerned.

Not much anyone can do about it, though. 

Maybe some opinion polls will show me wrong and you guys right on this. Maybe it only serves to hurt the Left.

Just doesn&#039;t make sense to me, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the optimism, but&#8230;</p>
<p>A lot of people are angry. This isn&#8217;t some partisan bickering point. These guys are rabid. They have already instituted a new level of extreme Left propaganda to mainstream America. Now, they are introducing extreme Left censorship tactics.</p>
<p>Maybe this will score some Republican points?</p>
<p>If we win in the short time and this kind of thing continues&#8230; we will lose in the long run.</p>
<p>Personally, I am unaware of precedents here&#8230; maybe mainstream propaganda like Farenheit 9/11 and Syriana is not without precedent&#8230; the movie &#8220;Hair&#8221;? maybe&#8230; maybe, what,  &#8220;Easy Rider&#8221;?&#8230; maybe mainstream calls of censorship &#8211; of this magnitude &#8211; are not without precedent? </p>
<p>I have kids and quite a number of years left, hopefully, and I would like to be able to stay here. With 34% of the population answering &#8220;Yes&#8221; to &#8216;do you think the government had something to do with 9/11&#8242; &#8211; to paraphrase &#8211; I am concerned.</p>
<p>Not much anyone can do about it, though. </p>
<p>Maybe some opinion polls will show me wrong and you guys right on this. Maybe it only serves to hurt the Left.</p>
<p>Just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me, though.</p>
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		<title>By: DubiousD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DubiousD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are angry.  I&#039;m positively gleeful.  The Democrats are the gift that keeps on giving. 

I read somewhere that Shirley Temple is still alive.  You think we can get Harry Reid to run her over with his limo before the November elections?

He&#039;d probably go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are angry.  I&#8217;m positively gleeful.  The Democrats are the gift that keeps on giving. </p>
<p>I read somewhere that Shirley Temple is still alive.  You think we can get Harry Reid to run her over with his limo before the November elections?</p>
<p>He&#8217;d probably go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: pull</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2463/comment-page-1#comment-17216</link>
		<dc:creator>pull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to what I said: they do, of course, make citations, but these citations are all bunk.

For instance, the Clarke statement, debunked earlier on this site. Recorded almost exactly from the 9/11 commission report.

This statement: &quot;Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, â€œhe thought they were making things up.â€ [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] &quot;

Reports... suggest... that he quit because &quot;he thought they were making things up&quot;? Did he say that and do that, or did &quot;reports suggest&quot; he said and did that?

And, this:

&quot;Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â€œ9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â€ New York Times, September 6, 2006] &quot;

Of course scenes in a docudrama will be &quot;fictionalized&quot;. How can you have the terrorists walk from their car to the airport without &quot;fictionalizing&quot; it, as we have no video footage of this event?

The films of the Left, on the other hand, are lies straight through and through... on 9/11 and the Middle East, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to what I said: they do, of course, make citations, but these citations are all bunk.</p>
<p>For instance, the Clarke statement, debunked earlier on this site. Recorded almost exactly from the 9/11 commission report.</p>
<p>This statement: &#8220;Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, â€œhe thought they were making things up.â€ [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] &#8221;</p>
<p>Reports&#8230; suggest&#8230; that he quit because &#8220;he thought they were making things up&#8221;? Did he say that and do that, or did &#8220;reports suggest&#8221; he said and did that?</p>
<p>And, this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. [â€œ9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased,â€ New York Times, September 6, 2006] &#8221;</p>
<p>Of course scenes in a docudrama will be &#8220;fictionalized&#8221;. How can you have the terrorists walk from their car to the airport without &#8220;fictionalizing&#8221; it, as we have no video footage of this event?</p>
<p>The films of the Left, on the other hand, are lies straight through and through&#8230; on 9/11 and the Middle East, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Squiggler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squiggler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dems threaten government censorship if they don&#039;t get their own way ......&lt;/strong&gt;

I have tried to stay out of the fray regarding the upcoming miniseries, The Path to 9/11 which is due to air over two nights on 10 and 11 September. It is impossible not to know that former President Bill Clinton is ballistic, that Madeline Albright an...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dems threaten government censorship if they don&#8217;t get their own way &#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I have tried to stay out of the fray regarding the upcoming miniseries, The Path to 9/11 which is due to air over two nights on 10 and 11 September. It is impossible not to know that former President Bill Clinton is ballistic, that Madeline Albright an&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pull</title>
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		<dc:creator>pull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this at LGF. This really burns me up. It is just getting worse and worse. I have really been looking forward to this docudrama as a realistic, accurate, alternative to the leftist garbage out there claiming to be truthful but based on fiction.

Is there anything these people cite as being untruthful in this? No. Of course not. They don&#039;t want the truth to be known. The basic truth that their left leaning ideaology is bad for defense.

Change your ideaology, not the history books.

This isn&#039;t Soviet Russia or Palestine. 

I never would have dreamed to say such things about absolutely fictional &quot;documentaries&quot; or &quot;docudramas&quot; like &quot;Syriana&quot; or &quot;Farenheit 9/11&quot;. It is their right to lie. 

Why can&#039;t we have a right to tell the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this at LGF. This really burns me up. It is just getting worse and worse. I have really been looking forward to this docudrama as a realistic, accurate, alternative to the leftist garbage out there claiming to be truthful but based on fiction.</p>
<p>Is there anything these people cite as being untruthful in this? No. Of course not. They don&#8217;t want the truth to be known. The basic truth that their left leaning ideaology is bad for defense.</p>
<p>Change your ideaology, not the history books.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t Soviet Russia or Palestine. </p>
<p>I never would have dreamed to say such things about absolutely fictional &#8220;documentaries&#8221; or &#8220;docudramas&#8221; like &#8220;Syriana&#8221; or &#8220;Farenheit 9/11&#8243;. It is their right to lie. </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we have a right to tell the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: carol johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully both, Spook.  Hopefully both.

Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully both, Spook.  Hopefully both.</p>
<p>Carol</p>
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