Sep 12 2006
The Incoherent NY Times
The NY Times is one of the most incoherent news organizations I have seen. After exposing the NSA Terrorist Surveillance Program (which is nothing new per the Church Committee Report from 1978) and the SWIFT terrorist financial tracking program, and after all sorts of reports and editorials claiming Bush is hyping the war, that since we have not had an attack we should pull out of the ME, that Bush is war mongering, the NY Times leads with this line:
Last night, President Bush once again urged Americans to take terrorism seriously — a warning that hardly seems necessary. One aspect of that terrible day five years ago that seems immune to politicization or trivialization is the dread of another attack.
The NY Times is claiming everyone knows there is the threat of a new attack? So they exposed our anti-terrorism defenses on the word of partisan hacks anyway? Knowing we are under threat – which they now claim is obvious – the NY Times alerted those same enemies to what methods we used to stop them? The next sentence is a stunning admission of BDS:
When Mr. Bush warns that Al Qaeda means what it says, that there are Islamist fanatics around the world who wish us harm and that the next assault could be even worse than the last, he does not need to press the argument.
Well, actually he does have to remind people, especially those in the advanced stages of BDS like the NY Times that their actions have serious and life ending consequences. Putting Americans in harm’s way to garner some votes or congressional seats is not a joke or game. While politics can be rough, it is not meant to snuff out lives. The NY Times is the perfect example of why Bush has to come out and apply some adult supervision to a lot of self obsessed, immature people who seem to forget or ignore the stakes here. The fact that they still do not get it means Bush needs to come out and say it some more until the NY Times realizes some political games are outright dangerous. Buy a clue NY Times.
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As some have pointed out the papers of record are covering all the bases due to the justice department leak investigations. As to the second sentence AJ quotes, I hope the judge demands it is tatooed on their forhead!
IMHO, as per Flopping Aces’ A Journey Into The Sewers Of Leftist Thought – 9/11 Edition, it appears to be hopeless to get through those even with milde BDS.
You and your readers might like to check out what one of the NYTimes’ best buds, Time Magazine thought of the situation in 1997! Of course, now that George Bush is in office all that changed, right?
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/09/10/facing-down-a-despot/
Read it and ponder just what is going on. Folks, I want to quote a Harry Chapin song…the one I was among the privileged few, first to hear when he was trying it out on his live audiences. The name of the song was “What Made America Famous” from the “Varities and Balderdash” album. It’s about a fireman, those he saves from a fire, and the America they all love. It made the audience I was in stunned into absolute silence at the end of the song. It says, much more eloquently than I ever could:
“…and something’s burning somewhere. Does anybody care? Is anybody there?! Is anybody there?!”
Carol
You think the NYT is incoherent. Check out some of comments (and commentary) of DUers over at DUmmie Funnies.
Retired Spook
We shall not mock or otherwise deminish the DU ,after all they are protected by the endangered species act.
We should have solace and agreement with their passion, they are the vanguard of humanity leading us to who knows where.
Startrek just passed it’s 40th year anniversary, how long can it last as a beacon of light for them.
I envision lefties following the election returns in November and grin, Diebold hold yer hat , they are gonna come screaming and preening.
they are the vanguard of humanity leading us to who knows where.
Oh, I think most of us know where, heh.
I don’t know that we (you) should be disparaging Trekies. I know several, and they may be possessed (probably not the best word) of a vivid imagination, but they’re not Leftist Moonbats. I guess in the sense that they’re disconnected from reality, the comparison is probably valid. You’re absolutely right about Diebold. Katie bar the door if the Donks lose a few seats in either the House or the Senate (or both).
Whoa! Judicial Watch is on the case!
Other Judicial Watch Actions to Fight Terrorism
JW Uncovers CIA Docs That Show Clinton’s Bombing of Sudan Helped Bolster Hussein
Defense Intelligence Report Details Al Qaeda’s Plans For Russia, Chechnya And WMD
JW Uncovers Historical Report on Osama bin Laden’s Terrorist Activities
http://www.judicialwatch.org/September_11_2006.shtml
http://www.judicialwatch.org/1831.shtml
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_3883.shtml
Carol
The NY Times is the perfect example of why Bush has to come out and apply some adult supervision to a lot of self obsessed, immature people who seem to forget or ignore the stakes here.
Yes. The media is more responsible for the public’s attitude about the war than anything the Dems can possibly do because they frame the picture.
Perfect…..perfect example is link Carol posted to floppingacres above. Quite a 360 today. I only wish every blog could post the entire thing with picture as it simplifies like AJ did the NSA and the Anchoress wrote a while back about Bush. So good….
Bush’s Speech On 9/11…
Has the left have no inkling of what the radical Islamist wants? They want the west destroyed, end of sentence. They do not want to live “in peace and harmony” with those that they hate. They want us dead. Until the left understands this and comes …
Owl,
“The media is more responsible for the public’s attitude about the war than anything the Dems can possibly do because they frame the picture.
Perfect…..perfect example is link Carol posted to floppingacres above. Quite a 360 today. I only wish every blog could post the entire thing with picture as it simplifies like AJ did the NSA and the Anchoress wrote a while back about Bush. So good…. ”
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I have so much more from the same issue of Time, November 24th of 1997. The last and perhaps, most stunning, article is called “America The Vulnerable” by Bruce W. Nelan. It simply has to be read to be believed. Stay tuned.
Carol
Retired Spook:
“The DUmmies are STILL crybabying over their failure to prevent the airing of “The Path to 9/11.” Their pouting has taken the form of self-pitying despair as you can see in this DUmmie THREAD titled, “I hate to say this…. But we are truly powerless in this country….”"
That makes me want to vomit.
What is sick is that these people really do believe they have a right to say what goes on the media and what should stay off.
Because they do control so much of it.
I wish they would stop with their liberal pretensions of trying to prevent us from going into totalitarianism… when this is their very aim. They protest too much.
Yes, the left has convinced itself that the right wingers are just making this terrorism thing more serious than it is so that they can control people. They said the same thing about communism.
Terrye:
Yes, I completely agree. And they do this with many other issues.
I am a fan of Milton Erickson and NLP, myself, and related sciences… which is why I really despise individuals like Chomsky who hold pretensions of understanding unconscious persuasive communication… but have merely utilized these theories to persuade audiences towards his own brand of perversion… thereby making him feel as if he has made them his followers.
Anyone who studies such linguistics… has the temptation to abuse that kind of information to gather about them followers, I think. Chomsky has done exactly this in a most devious manner.
That is, their pundits claim to be the opposite of what they actually are… to paraphrase Shakespeare, ‘they protest too much’. .. but what do we expect from hypocrites?
What they condemn is what they are most guilty of.
I wish I could say their anti-anti-Communist propaganda… and this kind of propaganda had no effect. We all know just how effective that propaganda really is, however, I think.
I am sorry, I should rephrase this for clarity, as it seems to be a good general rule (to be thrown off anonymously):
“What do we expect from hypocrites?
What they condemn most loudly of, is what they are most guilty of.”
There, been trying to summarize that for sometime.
Reality pill:
“The public’s attitude about the war” for at least the past year
and a half, is shaped primarily by the botched and failed
occupation and the consequent loss of US blood. Period.
What they condemn most loudly of, is what they are most guilty of.”
Pull, I’m 61, and the Left has been doing this for as long as I can remember. It’s actually on page 27 of the Donk playbook, copyright 1935. The current batch of Libs have refined it to an artform.
“The public’s attitude about the war” for at least the past year
and a half, is shaped primarily by the botched and failed
occupation and the consequent loss of US blood. Period.
Ken, I guess you can believe that if you want. How old are you anyway — 17 or 18? The Left’s attitude about war has never needed shaping, and I think the public in general is smarter than you give them credit for being. We’ll know in less than 60 days who’s right. Your comment reminds me of a great quote from British philosopher John Stuart Mill:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
Re: the leftwing “bubble”
From:
Inside the Beltway, By John McCaslin
Washington Times
August 16, 2006
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060816-121011-1432r_page2.htm
excerpt:
If you weren’t watching C-SPAN over the weekend, the cable channel aired the Aspen Institute’s recent panel discussion featuring Hollywood heavyweights Norman Lear (”All in the Family”), actor and filmmaker Sydney Pollack (”Tootsie,” “Out of Africa,” “Absence of Malice”), and author and filmmaker Nora Ephron (”Silkwood,” “Sleepless in Seattle,” “You’ve Got Mail” and “When Harry Met Sally”). One thing immediately became clear during this so-called “exchange of ideas”: while Hollywood likes to preach diversity and open-mindedness, it wants little to do with a large chunk of the American population — Republicans and evangelical Christians. Our three favorite answers (each met with resounding laughter and applause) to questions posed to the panel:
Question: If handed a script in which the hero was a conservative Republican, would they make the movie? Mrs. Ephron?
Nora Ephron: “I doubt it.”
Question: Do you have friends who are evangelical Christians, or supporters of George W. Bush, or both? Mrs. Ephron?
Nora Ephron: “No, I don’t.”
Question: Do any of you know one of the 23 percent of Americans who consider themselves evangelical Christians? Mrs. Ephron?
Nora Ephron: “No, and I am not ashamed of it. I just want to say that.”
RBMN, and yet we watch their TV shows and go see their movies. Barbara Streisand is one of the looniest of the far Left, and yet I love her music and consider her to be one of the greatest female vocalists of my lifetime. The real open-minded and tolerant people in this country are those who enjoy talent in spite of how the personalities behind it insult them at every opportunity.
“Pull, I’m 61, and the Left has been doing this for as long as I can remember. It’s actually on page 27 of the Donk playbook, copyright 1935. The current batch of Libs have refined it to an artform.”
Heh, thanks for the info, always nice to have confirmed, though it is my impression the downfall started in the 60s… granted, I think we should have helped out Britain with Hitler and we did not… that says something to me.
On Ken’s post:
We are in Iraq fighting terrorists. We are moving our troops from Europe to the Middle East. Before Iraq our global troop placement was set up for an invasion from the Soviet Union. In 2001.
We are where we need to be… right between Syria and Iran, not too far from Pakistan… with a close eye on Saudi Arabia.
I know a lot of people want to give in and turn tail so the terrorists will celebrate yet another victory from us… as they celebrated Somalia and 80s Lebanon… as examples of how “terrorism works” on America.
Truth be told, we can’t afford to turn tail and run from terrorists.
That is what causes terrorism to breed.
Everybody knows this. I do not know why people keep arguing otherwise. It gets nowhere.
Whether or not Iraq ever stabilizes is unimportant, ultimately.
Hard truth, but that is a fact.
I would suggest to people like Ken that they get their head out of the sand and start looking at the Islamist hatred facing us… for once. It is no new phenomena as they believe. This was going on well before we entered Iraq. Even before we entered Iraq the first time.
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/iraq/000467.php#more
Retired Spook-here is what the Iraqis are saying about Bush’s
creating a giant prison which used to be a nation. And don’t believe
America is not going to pay in the future for the deeds of the arrogant neocons who fueled this enemy-creating debacle.
“botched”" to spoil by poor or clumsy work.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/PPT/2006/810583.pdf
Don’t know how to copy it, but on page 12 of the 28 pages, it will
show that in 2004, 4008 motorcyclists botched their job bad enough
to be listed as killed in the United States.In 2005, that number increased to 4315 killed.
Based on that, I conclude that the military has done a much less botched job in Iraq than some people think
Iraq as an enemy creating debacle? Really, people, time to be honest.
We freed these people from the tyranny of Saddam. We did something the Shiites and Kurds had been begging for.
It is true, you do good to those poisoned by Islam… they will hate you all the more.
This only means we have to deal with Islam now, not later.
Later the “Islamic nuclear bomb” will be in their hands.
It is sad when people start to argue we should leave Iraq like we dumped South Vietnam. Then the activists supported the Viet Cong and Khmer Rouge using the exact same arguments… today they support Al Qaeda and other Islamo-Fascists.
Ken, thanks for the slanted link, I can give you any number of links to stories from Iraqi’s that are thankful to be alive, especially since they are in the group that likely would be dead now if Saddam were still in charge. So just what good is one person’s opinion. I didn’t see where he said he was thankful to be alive.
You said:
“here is what the Iraqis are saying about Bush’s
creating a giant prison which used to be a nation. And don’t believe
America is not going to pay in the future for the deeds of the arrogant neocons who fueled this enemy-creating debacle.”
You being a neodem, give me the definition of an arrogant neocon.
Retired spook, you give Ken to much credit. I’m pretty sure he’s not that old yet. But your statement about Barbra Streisand, she is talented, but there is no way in hell I would listen to her music. There are too many talented singers in this world that DON’T hate the US to listen to those that do.
So, I guess Ken wants to go back to the hands-off, fun-loving days of the nineties, when we were so much respected and admired. Of course, Ken & his liberal ilk are clueless. Just because the leftwing talking points say we’re creating more terrorists by fighting them in Afghanistan & Iraq doesn’t make it so — there’s no firm supporting data. I’ll take a defeated or dead Islamo fascist in the ME over a stealth, scheming one in the West any day.
From the moment we went to war in Afghanistan & later Iraq, the Dems & lefties have been labeling it Vietnam all over again. Is it? Of course not. But to their deranged perspective, Vietnam was winning. They were right, don’t you know? The peaceniks & protesters won the day. The anti-authority, anti-establishment, anti-military liberals made their mark. Now, Iraq is their Vietnam all over again. Or so they try. If only the middle america imbeciles would wake up, we can cut & run, defeated, but just get out of there. Everyone will like us better, and we can open up a dialogue and promise that we’ll respect them … and that’s winning, because we’ll be a better country.
Fortunately, most amercians see thru this inanity. As Retired Spook says, we’ll find out soon enough.
Myself, Michael Scheuer, George Will, Pat Buchanan, William Buckley, Generals Odum, Anthony Zinni, Chuck Hagel ,Congressman Walter “freedom fries” Jones (NC) and the approximately 50% of self-identifying conservatives (of various stripes, to be sure as I am more nearly a Buchananite, than a Buckleyite) are not “neodems.”
What is irksome is not the possible name-tagging
assumptions by many here;what is troublesome is many ostrich-like
Iraq War conservative defenders in these parts don’t seem to
realize they might be in the minority in their own conservative domain.