What is irksome is not the possible name-tagging
assumptions by many here;what is troublesome is many ostrich-like
Iraq War conservative defenders in these parts don’t seem to
realize they might be in the minority in their own conservative domain.

From the moment we went to war in Afghanistan & later Iraq, the Dems & lefties have been labeling it Vietnam all over again. Is it? Of course not. But to their deranged perspective, Vietnam was winning. They were right, don’t you know? The peaceniks & protesters won the day. The anti-authority, anti-establishment, anti-military liberals made their mark. Now, Iraq is their Vietnam all over again. Or so they try. If only the middle america imbeciles would wake up, we can cut & run, defeated, but just get out of there. Everyone will like us better, and we can open up a dialogue and promise that we’ll respect them … and that’s winning, because we’ll be a better country.
Fortunately, most amercians see thru this inanity. As Retired Spook says, we’ll find out soon enough.

Retired spook, you give Ken to much credit. I’m pretty sure he’s not that old yet. But your statement about Barbra Streisand, she is talented, but there is no way in hell I would listen to her music. There are too many talented singers in this world that DON’T hate the US to listen to those that do.

We freed these people from the tyranny of Saddam. We did something the Shiites and Kurds had been begging for.

It is true, you do good to those poisoned by Islam… they will hate you all the more.

This only means we have to deal with Islam now, not later.

Later the “Islamic nuclear bomb” will be in their hands.

It is sad when people start to argue we should leave Iraq like we dumped South Vietnam. Then the activists supported the Viet Cong and Khmer Rouge using the exact same arguments… today they support Al Qaeda and other Islamo-Fascists.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/PPT/2006/810583.pdf

Don’t know how to copy it, but on page 12 of the 28 pages, it will
show that in 2004, 4008 motorcyclists botched their job bad enough
to be listed as killed in the United States.In 2005, that number increased to 4315 killed.
Based on that, I conclude that the military has done a much less botched job in Iraq than some people think

Retired Spook-here is what the Iraqis are saying about Bush’s
creating a giant prison which used to be a nation. And don’t believe
America is not going to pay in the future for the deeds of the arrogant neocons who fueled this enemy-creating debacle.

Heh, thanks for the info, always nice to have confirmed, though it is my impression the downfall started in the 60s… granted, I think we should have helped out Britain with Hitler and we did not… that says something to me.

On Ken’s post:

We are in Iraq fighting terrorists. We are moving our troops from Europe to the Middle East. Before Iraq our global troop placement was set up for an invasion from the Soviet Union. In 2001.

We are where we need to be… right between Syria and Iran, not too far from Pakistan… with a close eye on Saudi Arabia.

I know a lot of people want to give in and turn tail so the terrorists will celebrate yet another victory from us… as they celebrated Somalia and 80s Lebanon… as examples of how “terrorism works” on America.

Truth be told, we can’t afford to turn tail and run from terrorists.

That is what causes terrorism to breed.

Everybody knows this. I do not know why people keep arguing otherwise. It gets nowhere.

Whether or not Iraq ever stabilizes is unimportant, ultimately.

Hard truth, but that is a fact.

I would suggest to people like Ken that they get their head out of the sand and start looking at the Islamist hatred facing us… for once. It is no new phenomena as they believe. This was going on well before we entered Iraq. Even before we entered Iraq the first time.

From:
Inside the Beltway, By John McCaslin
Washington Times
August 16, 2006
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060816-121011-1432r_page2.htm

excerpt:

If you weren’t watching C-SPAN over the weekend, the cable channel aired the Aspen Institute’s recent panel discussion featuring Hollywood heavyweights Norman Lear (“All in the Family”), actor and filmmaker Sydney Pollack (“Tootsie,” “Out of Africa,” “Absence of Malice”), and author and filmmaker Nora Ephron (“Silkwood,” “Sleepless in Seattle,” “You’ve Got Mail” and “When Harry Met Sally”). One thing immediately became clear during this so-called “exchange of ideas”: while Hollywood likes to preach diversity and open-mindedness, it wants little to do with a large chunk of the American population — Republicans and evangelical Christians. Our three favorite answers (each met with resounding laughter and applause) to questions posed to the panel:

Question: If handed a script in which the hero was a conservative Republican, would they make the movie? Mrs. Ephron?

Nora Ephron: “I doubt it.”

Question: Do you have friends who are evangelical Christians, or supporters of George W. Bush, or both? Mrs. Ephron?

Nora Ephron: “No, I don’t.”

Question: Do any of you know one of the 23 percent of Americans who consider themselves evangelical Christians? Mrs. Ephron?

Nora Ephron: “No, and I am not ashamed of it. I just want to say that.”

Pull, I’m 61, and the Left has been doing this for as long as I can remember. It’s actually on page 27 of the Donk playbook, copyright 1935. The current batch of Libs have refined it to an artform.

“The public’s attitude about the war” for at least the past year
and a half, is shaped primarily by the botched and failed
occupation and the consequent loss of US blood. Period.

Ken, I guess you can believe that if you want. How old are you anyway — 17 or 18? The Left’s attitude about war has never needed shaping, and I think the public in general is smarter than you give them credit for being. We’ll know in less than 60 days who’s right. Your comment reminds me of a great quote from British philosopher John Stuart Mill:

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

“What do we expect from hypocrites?

What they condemn most loudly of, is what they are most guilty of.”

There, been trying to summarize that for sometime.

Yes, I completely agree. And they do this with many other issues.

I am a fan of Milton Erickson and NLP, myself, and related sciences… which is why I really despise individuals like Chomsky who hold pretensions of understanding unconscious persuasive communication… but have merely utilized these theories to persuade audiences towards his own brand of perversion… thereby making him feel as if he has made them his followers.

Anyone who studies such linguistics… has the temptation to abuse that kind of information to gather about them followers, I think. Chomsky has done exactly this in a most devious manner.

That is, their pundits claim to be the opposite of what they actually are… to paraphrase Shakespeare, ‘they protest too much’. .. but what do we expect from hypocrites?

What they condemn is what they are most guilty of.

I wish I could say their anti-anti-Communist propaganda… and this kind of propaganda had no effect. We all know just how effective that propaganda really is, however, I think.

“The DUmmies are STILL crybabying over their failure to prevent the airing of “The Path to 9/11.” Their pouting has taken the form of self-pitying despair as you can see in this DUmmie THREAD titled, “I hate to say this…. But we are truly powerless in this country….”"

That makes me want to vomit.

What is sick is that these people really do believe they have a right to say what goes on the media and what should stay off.

Because they do control so much of it.

I wish they would stop with their liberal pretensions of trying to prevent us from going into totalitarianism… when this is their very aim. They protest too much.