Sep 20 2006
Fearing Our Government More Than Terrorists
The news media in this country really has trouble with the idea the President has power. Any use of power bothers them, even though they regularly abuse their power through biased and ignorant reporting. So am I surprised the Washington Post is concerned the President has Constitutional Powers which cannot be constricted by the legislative branch? Am I surprisd the Post is not aware Judicial Branch has recognized those powers? Am I surprised Congress is on the brink of recognizing those powers in law? Nope. I expect the Washington Post to be as obsessively blindered as the media usually is. Sadly, these left leaning people are facing a hard reality: they did not understand how our government works and they do not have the power (anymore, thanks to the new media) to spin people into making uneducated decisions. We need to learn when someone here in the US is in contact with our enemies overseas. We need to monitor those dicussions (by the NSA of course) while the FBI investigates the person in the US and applies for a FISA warrant if they determine the person to be a risk. This is how it works now. What the liberals want to do is go back to the way it was beforee 9-11, when fear of some possible future abuse of power allowed ‘safe guards for terrorists’ to be erected and give the 9-11 highjackers free reign to coordinate their attacks and financing with their bloodthirsty masters overseas. FISA Judges, before 9-11, use to deplore leads from the NSA as improper. They were not allowed. Even now, after 9-11, the FISA judges will not issue a warrant based on NSA intel alone (which is why the NSA cannot ask the FBI to get a warrant from FISA for their efforts). We cannot allow this ignorant thinking to return. There are always risks power can misused. A policeman can go on a murdering rampage – but we still arm them with a gun. We need to stop fearing our government more than those who have stated publically they are out to kill as many of us as they can, in a suicide attack (the hardest to defend since the attacker wants to die).
Terrye,
Buchanan also doesn’t like the “evil” multinational corporations or the concept of free trade. This brings him full circle to the Left.
Macker:
My point exactly. It is a circle.
Terrye, we weren’t talking about whether Buchanan is on the far right or not, he is a well know isolationist.
The discussion was about Ken being on the Looney Left.
Buchanan basically is for America first, he sees immigrants as dangerous to the future of America.
You made a reference to Empire. When, in the history of America, has it been empirical. You, like Ken, might wanta look up the definition.
Noam Chomsky has absolutely nothing to say that I am interested in hearing or reading. He is almost a one of a kind dedicated communist and avowed America Hater. That is all the description of him I need to know.
you said?
“Evil though they may be, Islamic killers are over here because we are over there. ”
You don’t really believe this do you?
Musims have believed in Jihad forever, it is against infidels, it is a key ingredient of their makeup. We just happen to be the infidel de jure’
Also, you said:
“I got in a spat with a Buchanan fan the other day who was going on about our moronic military. After all smart people don’t join up”
I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that having a spat with a Buchanan fan has nothing to do with what Buchanan thinks.
And who’s talking about moronic military? I was in the military and I volunteered and I know what my intelligence level is.
The military would be a cross section of America, no more, no less.
For heaven’s sake Enforcement I did not say those things, Buchanan did I pasted something he said. It is directly from an oped he wrote. Did yhou not see that????
Buchanan is an antisemitic loon who has become a darling of the left. Deny it all you want but when polical extremes meet they tend to sound very much the same. The guy I got in a spat with is no different from Buchanan and a lot of other people like him who believe that simple minded people have been duped to go fight wars for the Jews and for the neocon empire builders. Now how familiar and how loony does that sound?
Her is the link about Pat and Empire, hos words.
He is a paranoid bigot who hates Jews as much as he hates Mexicans.
Terrye, ok,, the way your comment was written, I thought only the first paragraph was the quote from Buchanan and the rest was your’s so forget those questions. I apologize for that misunderstanding.
But, Just because Buchanan was FORMERLY on the far right doesn’t mean he still is. Most of his views are very far left. In fact, I see very little of him on the right any more. That doesn’t mean there is little difference in the right and left. People change their views all the time.
But you didn’t answer the other part of what I asked:
Also, you said:
“I got in a spat with a Buchanan fan the other day who was going on about our moronic military. After all smart people don’t join upâ€
I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that having a spat with a Buchanan fan has nothing to do with what Buchanan thinks.
And who’s talking about moronic military? I was in the military and I volunteered and I know what my intelligence level is.
The military would be a cross section of America, no more, no less.
I’ve never seen Buchanan say anything like that about the military. I’m not saying he hasn’t, I just haven’t seen it. Do you know if he has?
I’m certainly not trying to argue that Buchanan is a ‘good’ guy. He seems to be headed down the path that Chomsky guy is on.
But I also wouldn’t argue that he is still on the right. Most of his opinions agree with the Looney Left, so just go ahead and move him into that category. Nothing lost there.
Here is the major determinant of right and left(in my opinion)
Left hates America, right doesn’t
Terrye, let me add:
I said earlier:”Buchanan basically is for America first, ”
That was what he said, back when we thought he was on the right. I no longer believe that so it makes it far easier to say he is on the left.
Just because he says and thinks he is on the right doesn’t make it true. remember the ‘ if it walks like a duck, thing’
Pat Buchanan is for Pat Buchanan. When Israel got into with Lebanon after the soldiers were taken the very first thing Buchanan did was jump on Israel. Knee jerk. And he has never supported the mission in Iraq. the man makes my skin crawl.
And I am not saying he is on the left, I am saying that political extremes make the niceties of left and right immaterial, they morph into the same big ugly hateful blob.
Let’s get economics out of the way first: The Republican Party’s “right wing” was protectionist for a hundred
years, before “big business” free traders took it over circa
the 1950s.
I said I was a Buchananite for convenient labelling
reasons. I have a problem with Buchanan on a few fronts.
One, both times he formally repudiated the Republican Party
and ran third party, he returned to the fold and urged his followers
to. (They didn’t) He even was the ONLY writer on the board of his
own magazine, amcon.com, to endorse Bush last election, five or six of his own editors refusing to, and pointing out Pat’s own
previous condemnation of Bush’s illegal war. To this
day, Buchanan cannot, as most of his fans do, bring himself to
formally advocate withdrawing troops from Iraq–all this
is a failure of nerve on his part and/or a tendency to revert
to a beyond-saving ,status quo ruling class politics.
“Anti-semitism”—thankfully this label doesn’t hurt the recipient any more in Europe –only in America. Anti-semites usually
turn out to be people who insist Jews put America rather
than Israel first and not take part in activites which tend to
weaken the Christian underpinnings of American Culture.
Finally,go to tomdispatch.com and Nick Turse’s recent lengthy
piece to find out how the US military is deteriorating due
in large part to Iraq’s failed occupation.
Ken: I don’t expect you to respond accurately, but let me just say:
You said:
“I said I was a Buchananite for convenient labelling
reasons. ”
It would have been just as easy to say you were a member of the Looney Left, it would have been just as convenient and a hell of a lot more accurate.
So Buchanan endorsed Bush. The alternative? Kerry, a Marxist.
And:”Buchanan cannot, as most of his fans do, bring himself to
formally advocate withdrawing troops from Iraq”
There are a lot of Americans that don’t want to snatch defeat from the Jaws of Victory and fully understand the dangers of surrender.
Quite unlike you.
Ahhh and then that link to tomdispatch,
First you did notice that for his information he pulled from those two pillars of accuracy in print, the NY Times and WaPost.
Two real supporters of terrorism.
And of course the subject of his lengthy discourse. Bashing the military.
Let’s talk about quality of military. Would you say we now have a much more combat experienced military than we did 5 years ago? is experience worth anything?
Equipment wearing down? Proof of that? Average age of equipment there is now Less than the average age of the equipment when it started.
IRR and military obligation When I volunteered for the Navy, I read the contract and understood it before I signed. I had no buyer’s remorse. I knew my obligation and was satisfied with it.
She was a virgin. She was 17 years old. How did she get to be a virgin and high school graduate without understanding what it took to remain a virgin. I simply don’t believe that little gem of a story.
He talks about a lot of misfits attempting to get into the military but he points out that when they get found out, they get weeded out. Wouldn’t you expect that with all the high bonus money being paid that more misfits would be looking to cash in on it. but even he points out that they get caught and eliminated, so the point is?
“Barfield reported that he and other investigators have identified a network of neo-Nazi active-duty Army and Marine personnel spread across five military installations in five states. “They’re communicating with each other about weapons, about recruiting, about keeping their identities secret,”
Let me get this straight, they are keeping it a secret, but everybody knows about it? And that’s a secret? All righty.
So the point of all that, Bash the military. You could get thousands of Marxists, Leftists, Loonies, Neodems to write that same article. For every one of those, I could link you to 5 that would say the opposite.
What country are you a citizen of? Sounds like France.
Ken, I would’ve saved myself some time if I had read up on Nick Turse before I read his column.
He is a doctoral candidate at Columbia Univ. That categorizes him adequately, enuff said
Quality of Recruits:
to personally enlist on Friday the 80,000th recruit – Shirley Salvi, 23, a Rutgers University graduate who will report to Fort Leonard Wood, Mo
Reading Ken’s posts and the responses is like watching a Div II school go against Ohio State in football — overmatched comes to mind. Their criticism of the military would be closer (still not accurate) 10 years ago when Slick Willy was running the show. Morale was hurting as training and equipment lagged, and funding was cut way back.
Some good posts on the MSM. It is good to see that the new media has helped counter the lefty monopoly of the networks and most of the press, and called them out on some egregious blunders. Although the press was all over Clinton, it is much different than their biased slams against Bush. Clinton deserved everything he got — he lied under oath, he lied to his cabinet, he lied to all of us, and more than once. He could have stopped these scandals if he & Hillary came clean. As noted, a lot of how the press behaves goes back to Watergate. Those who were in high school & college then are now the leading writers and editors. And I’m afraid that good journalism — presenting the news, objectively, with facts — has been replaced by a gotcha mentality with a heavy foundation in lefty perspectives and for many, a severe mistrust of government and authority, and an agenda.
For Enforcement was probably unaware of several American Conservative Magazine’s endorsement of Kerry and the “Conservatives for Kerry” organization–none of whom considered Kerry a conservative, only less dangerous than a phony
warmongering lying “neoconservative.” One AC editor went with
Nader, another with the Constitution Party candidate.
John Murtha and Chuck Hagel are both honor winning military men with ties to the military currently. Both say Iraq has worn it down and that recruit quality is off. “Experience,” gained in Iraq?
It doesn’t show, the insurgency is stronger than ever.
Wiley betrays the ongoing Clinton animus pervading this site.
Does anyone understand that America’s problems in the Mideast go well beyond intramural fighting between the two parties of the ruling
political class? Wiley will, inevitably, as conditions deteriorate further there and here–and people demand we come home to tackle our homegrown problems, like Hispanic revanchism and quit
inflaming the Moslem world by allowing Israel to control our
Mideast policy.
Wiley, if you believe John Murtha’s accurate portrayal of military
drainage due to Iraq is spurred by any motive of the Left or
Democratic Party, you’re naeive in the extreme.
Ken,
If 2004 could teach you anything it would be there was no serious conservative support for Kerry. Look at the election results and try and orient yourself back with reality. Don’t believe everything you read, especially from the lunatic left.
AJStrata
Ken, there are no Conservatives for Kerry, they are conservatives, But.
You ever listen to Washington Journal, when someone calls in on the conservative line and says, I’m a conservative, but. That interprets to: I am a lying MF democrat.
That’s the Conservatives for Kerry. Conservative, but.
For some reason, the lying MF democrats want other dems to think there are really some Conservatives for Kerry. LOL.
Ken,
I respect John Murtha & Chuck Hagel for their service to our country. However, that doesn’t mean that either of them gets a pass for saying some unpatriotic and flat-out incorrect things regarding the military. And of course, it means little for being a good congressman. Murtha certainly needs to be defeated; Hagel has zero chance of ever getting the Rep nomination for pres.
You are clueless to the ongoing global war with the islamo fascists. I suppose you found little fault with Hugo-the-clown’s rant, since it was merely an amplification of the lefty talking points.