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		<title>By: witch</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2638/comment-page-2#comment-21004</link>
		<dc:creator>witch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased that you and others on the web are onto this story, and keeping the Media (kinda/sorta) Honest.

â€œOtherwise we become no better than sheep blindly following the grazing patterns of those ahead of us, forced to nose the DROPPINGS aside to get at what little unsoiled grass (information) that remainsâ€

With that in mind I suggest that your timeline reflect that Wild Bill at Passionate America was the Blogger who discovered Edmonds Identity and released it onto the web,  before Drudge reported the instant massages as pranks gone wrong.

Bill has taken a lot of heavy flack for releasing this information as his comments sections and responses from other much larger and well known Bloggers clearly show (see MM), and even though this information has been used by others most refuse to acknowledge his site or link to it. 

And the Media barely acknowledges him by name or his site, yet I believe that the internet world should support his actions which I believe were right given the information now known!

History will judge Bills actions, and I would not wish it to record that the Blog world turned its back on him and the Media reported it first!

October 3, 2006 6:15 AM, Wild Bill at Passionate: I have what I believe is the identity of the person that Rep. Mark Foley instant messaged.

October 3, 2006 2:40 PM Press Release: Passionate America to Release Identity of a Person Rep. Foley Instant Messaged

October 04, 2006, 3:33 AM Wild Bill at Passionate America: http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/ Releases Jordan Edmonds Identity, Picture and image of his Myspace website.

Keep your Time line up it is the best single source I am finding to date on all the varied incidents, and relationships to one another, and kudos for acknowledging changes and updates that is so much better than the stealth changes made in other media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased that you and others on the web are onto this story, and keeping the Media (kinda/sorta) Honest.</p>
<p>â€œOtherwise we become no better than sheep blindly following the grazing patterns of those ahead of us, forced to nose the DROPPINGS aside to get at what little unsoiled grass (information) that remainsâ€</p>
<p>With that in mind I suggest that your timeline reflect that Wild Bill at Passionate America was the Blogger who discovered Edmonds Identity and released it onto the web,  before Drudge reported the instant massages as pranks gone wrong.</p>
<p>Bill has taken a lot of heavy flack for releasing this information as his comments sections and responses from other much larger and well known Bloggers clearly show (see MM), and even though this information has been used by others most refuse to acknowledge his site or link to it. </p>
<p>And the Media barely acknowledges him by name or his site, yet I believe that the internet world should support his actions which I believe were right given the information now known!</p>
<p>History will judge Bills actions, and I would not wish it to record that the Blog world turned its back on him and the Media reported it first!</p>
<p>October 3, 2006 6:15 AM, Wild Bill at Passionate: I have what I believe is the identity of the person that Rep. Mark Foley instant messaged.</p>
<p>October 3, 2006 2:40 PM Press Release: Passionate America to Release Identity of a Person Rep. Foley Instant Messaged</p>
<p>October 04, 2006, 3:33 AM Wild Bill at Passionate America: <a href="http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/</a> Releases Jordan Edmonds Identity, Picture and image of his Myspace website.</p>
<p>Keep your Time line up it is the best single source I am finding to date on all the varied incidents, and relationships to one another, and kudos for acknowledging changes and updates that is so much better than the stealth changes made in other media.</p>
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		<title>By: UrbanGrounds</title>
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		<dc:creator>UrbanGrounds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Democrats Knew About Foley Emails Since 2005...&lt;/strong&gt;

It looks like the outrageous indignation gushing from the Left side of the House is full of hypocrisy: The Dems knew too, and they sat on it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Democrats Knew About Foley Emails Since 2005&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It looks like the outrageous indignation gushing from the Left side of the House is full of hypocrisy: The Dems knew too, and they sat on it.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
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		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, saw Edmonds on a news clip.  He didn&#039;t look too happy.
Here in Texas we have a saying &quot;cowboy up&quot; meaning get ready for the ride.  Seems that some of these pages are &quot;cowboying up&quot;.  Or should it be &quot;lawyer up&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, saw Edmonds on a news clip.  He didn&#8217;t look too happy.<br />
Here in Texas we have a saying &#8220;cowboy up&#8221; meaning get ready for the ride.  Seems that some of these pages are &#8220;cowboying up&#8221;.  Or should it be &#8220;lawyer up&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retire05,

You just made the best case as to why Edmund prabably needs a lawyer.  Mac Ranger reported he did not look too good coming out of his interview with the FBI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retire05,</p>
<p>You just made the best case as to why Edmund prabably needs a lawyer.  Mac Ranger reported he did not look too good coming out of his interview with the FBI.</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2638/comment-page-2#comment-20899</link>
		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, AJ.  I thought it was Edmond but was not sure.  Now here is a another question (in light of the many gay men I know who do not make their life style blatant):  why would Edmond turn those IMs over to ABC?  Why not turn them over to the FBI and maintain some amount of privacy?  If he had turned them  over to the FBI during an ongoing investigation, they would not have been made public?  I don&#039;t know of any gay men that would want people to know that they were involved in such trashy IMs.     Remember, Austin is the San Francisco of the southwest and the gays I know are pretty private people.  In other words, they try to live just like anyone else.    Why would Edmond want to go public with this information and humiliate his entire family?  There is an  ulterior motive here with Edmond for turning them over to ABC; be it payola, fame, revenge or part of a plan to out Republican gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, AJ.  I thought it was Edmond but was not sure.  Now here is a another question (in light of the many gay men I know who do not make their life style blatant):  why would Edmond turn those IMs over to ABC?  Why not turn them over to the FBI and maintain some amount of privacy?  If he had turned them  over to the FBI during an ongoing investigation, they would not have been made public?  I don&#8217;t know of any gay men that would want people to know that they were involved in such trashy IMs.     Remember, Austin is the San Francisco of the southwest and the gays I know are pretty private people.  In other words, they try to live just like anyone else.    Why would Edmond want to go public with this information and humiliate his entire family?  There is an  ulterior motive here with Edmond for turning them over to ABC; be it payola, fame, revenge or part of a plan to out Republican gays.</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enlightened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ - My gut feeling is - more enablers from the left will emerge voluntarily out of the swamp in an effort to derail further investigation and possible outings of left closet gays.  Apparently some pretty powerful lefties might be hiding bigger secrets than Foley.  Looks like it&#039;s time to quietly fold up the tent, and let yet another purported &quot;Republican Scandal&quot; sink into the lefty swamp rotted hall of shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ &#8211; My gut feeling is &#8211; more enablers from the left will emerge voluntarily out of the swamp in an effort to derail further investigation and possible outings of left closet gays.  Apparently some pretty powerful lefties might be hiding bigger secrets than Foley.  Looks like it&#8217;s time to quietly fold up the tent, and let yet another purported &#8220;Republican Scandal&#8221; sink into the lefty swamp rotted hall of shame.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2638/comment-page-2#comment-20892</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retire05,

The very salacious IM&#039;s that ABC News got their hands on right when this story broke were between Foley and Jordan Edmund.  Up until recently I had not heard of any other Pages who still had the IMs (that include Tyson Vivyan).  One of the ex-Pages who came forward last week who was 21 may have had some evidence of his fling - but that was between consenting adults, obviously.
Jordan Edmund may need a criminal defence attorney if he is afraid he is open to charges - there is no other reason to have on.  The prank angle is interesting, but does not make a crime.  There are too many possible angles to know why and how he feels exposed - could be he sold the IMs to someone, or he was part of an extortion gambit.  Who knows.
I would say the many noted accesses to his AOL account mean someone else had access to his account.  From there all sorts of scenarios (including those you postulated) are possible. We will know when Foley talks to authorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retire05,</p>
<p>The very salacious IM&#8217;s that ABC News got their hands on right when this story broke were between Foley and Jordan Edmund.  Up until recently I had not heard of any other Pages who still had the IMs (that include Tyson Vivyan).  One of the ex-Pages who came forward last week who was 21 may have had some evidence of his fling &#8211; but that was between consenting adults, obviously.<br />
Jordan Edmund may need a criminal defence attorney if he is afraid he is open to charges &#8211; there is no other reason to have on.  The prank angle is interesting, but does not make a crime.  There are too many possible angles to know why and how he feels exposed &#8211; could be he sold the IMs to someone, or he was part of an extortion gambit.  Who knows.<br />
I would say the many noted accesses to his AOL account mean someone else had access to his account.  From there all sorts of scenarios (including those you postulated) are possible. We will know when Foley talks to authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: retire05</title>
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		<dc:creator>retire05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ, please explain something for diwwitted me:
I know that the emails to the LA page were leaked and probably out of Alexander&#039;s office.  But where did the IMs come from?  Was Jordan Edmund the ex-page who was in the IM chat room with Foley?  If so, why would he need a &quot;criminal&quot; attorney and not a victim&#039;s rights attorney?   And also I have this little problem.  Foley has not denied or admitted to sending the IMs to anyone.  And we know that someone logged on to Foley&#039;s AOL account when he was apparently in a rehap center.  I doubt that anyone going into a rehab would have access to a computer and I really don&#039;t think that Foley would be so stupid as to log on considering all that was going on.  Is there any remote possibility that the reason Foley doesn&#039;t admit [or deny] the IMs is because he cannot remember being drunk on his tail?  And is there a possibility that someone had access to Foley&#039;s AOL account and was logging on in his name?
I am not trying to defend Foley.  Not in the least.  He&#039;s gone.  Good riddence to bad rubbish.  But if he was set up by someone he trusted (a page that worked for a Democrat?) that would be a whole new story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ, please explain something for diwwitted me:<br />
I know that the emails to the LA page were leaked and probably out of Alexander&#8217;s office.  But where did the IMs come from?  Was Jordan Edmund the ex-page who was in the IM chat room with Foley?  If so, why would he need a &#8220;criminal&#8221; attorney and not a victim&#8217;s rights attorney?   And also I have this little problem.  Foley has not denied or admitted to sending the IMs to anyone.  And we know that someone logged on to Foley&#8217;s AOL account when he was apparently in a rehap center.  I doubt that anyone going into a rehab would have access to a computer and I really don&#8217;t think that Foley would be so stupid as to log on considering all that was going on.  Is there any remote possibility that the reason Foley doesn&#8217;t admit [or deny] the IMs is because he cannot remember being drunk on his tail?  And is there a possibility that someone had access to Foley&#8217;s AOL account and was logging on in his name?<br />
I am not trying to defend Foley.  Not in the least.  He&#8217;s gone.  Good riddence to bad rubbish.  But if he was set up by someone he trusted (a page that worked for a Democrat?) that would be a whole new story.</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limerick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ,
This is CREWs response to the release of the e-mails as carried on RAW.....

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Group_fires_back_Spectator_claim_they_1010.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ,<br />
This is CREWs response to the release of the e-mails as carried on RAW&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Group_fires_back_Spectator_claim_they_1010.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Group_fires_back_Spectator_claim_they_1010.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: gabriel sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;AJ&lt;/b&gt;: CREW has publicly stated that they received the emails on July 21.

Are you saying that by not denying they received them, via fax, on May 29, 2006, that they are in fact lying about the July 21 assertion?

It sure seems that if CREW says they received them on July 21, 2006 then they are denying that they received them via fax on May 29, 2006.

It&#039;s your timeline.  But perhaps you should at least note the public statements made by CREW that they received them on July 21 and sent them to the FBI the same day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>AJ</b>: CREW has publicly stated that they received the emails on July 21.</p>
<p>Are you saying that by not denying they received them, via fax, on May 29, 2006, that they are in fact lying about the July 21 assertion?</p>
<p>It sure seems that if CREW says they received them on July 21, 2006 then they are denying that they received them via fax on May 29, 2006.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your timeline.  But perhaps you should at least note the public statements made by CREW that they received them on July 21 and sent them to the FBI the same day.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabriel,

The only copies of the emails with the Fax header are CREWS copies. Granted, we don&#039;t know if it was faxed to them or not -  but without the cover page or a denial they are their copies!

:)

It&#039;s called using the rope they brought with them.  If CREW wants to PROVE otherwise, all they need to do is describe how they got Faxes from someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabriel,</p>
<p>The only copies of the emails with the Fax header are CREWS copies. Granted, we don&#8217;t know if it was faxed to them or not &#8211;  but without the cover page or a denial they are their copies!</p>
<p> <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s called using the rope they brought with them.  If CREW wants to PROVE otherwise, all they need to do is describe how they got Faxes from someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;AJ&lt;/b&gt;: I have a problem with a section of your timeline.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sep 13, 2005: Foley emails to LA Page are printed off by someone, these will be sent to CREW &lt;b&gt;in May of 2006 via Fax.&lt;/b&gt; Will also end up at ABC News at sometime in July-August 2006.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The evidence to support this is contradicted by public statements.  Melanie Sloan and Naomi Seligman both publicaly claim that CREW received the &#039;overly friendly&#039; emails on July 21, 2006.

The evidence to support the argument that CREW received them in May 2006 is scant.  Just because the PDF file they have posted has a date reading May 29, 2006, that doesn&#039;t indicate at all when they were received by CREW.  There are very likely scenarios in which the dates on the PDF hosted by CREW were there prior to reception by CREW.

CREW has already denied that the May 29, 2006 fax date on the files is from them or from the source that gave them the emails.

You should at least note these denials from CREW.  Failure to do so provides easy ammunition for bloggers and reporters to question ther veracity of this timeline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>AJ</b>: I have a problem with a section of your timeline.</p>
<blockquote><p>Sep 13, 2005: Foley emails to LA Page are printed off by someone, these will be sent to CREW <b>in May of 2006 via Fax.</b> Will also end up at ABC News at sometime in July-August 2006.</p></blockquote>
<p>The evidence to support this is contradicted by public statements.  Melanie Sloan and Naomi Seligman both publicaly claim that CREW received the &#8216;overly friendly&#8217; emails on July 21, 2006.</p>
<p>The evidence to support the argument that CREW received them in May 2006 is scant.  Just because the PDF file they have posted has a date reading May 29, 2006, that doesn&#8217;t indicate at all when they were received by CREW.  There are very likely scenarios in which the dates on the PDF hosted by CREW were there prior to reception by CREW.</p>
<p>CREW has already denied that the May 29, 2006 fax date on the files is from them or from the source that gave them the emails.</p>
<p>You should at least note these denials from CREW.  Failure to do so provides easy ammunition for bloggers and reporters to question ther veracity of this timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: Thespis Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thespis Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Foley Timeline...&lt;/strong&gt;

AJ Strata has the definitive post on the Foley mess. The timeline is very interesting and concisely goes beyond the efforts of the drive-by media. While the liberals restate their tired themes into the witches cauldron, the facts are making it past the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Foley Timeline&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>AJ Strata has the definitive post on the Foley mess. The timeline is very interesting and concisely goes beyond the efforts of the drive-by media. While the liberals restate their tired themes into the witches cauldron, the facts are making it past the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickW</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrickW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also on Oct 4, Fordham says &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2006/10/04/news/state/state01.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; a lot &lt;/a&gt; of things which he contradicts later the same day.

â€œI was still pretty shell shocked myself,â€ Fordham said of the day he learned about the messages. â€œThis was someone I had worked for 10 years. I had no inkling that this kind of blatantly reckless - just obscene - behavior was going on behind our backs.â€

Asked if he had any information that could help investigators build a criminal case against Foley, Fordham said he wasn&#039;t prepared to say yet. But he denied trying to suppress any information or evidence when he spoke by phone with ABC News before the instant message became public. He also said he had not discussed leaving Reynolds&#039; office since his own role in the Foley case has come to light.


Fordham said that he never spoke to Reynolds about possible personal problems before the details of an e-mail exchange became public last Thursday, and Reynolds did not ask him about his ex-boss in the spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also on Oct 4, Fordham says <a href="http://www.auburnpub.com/articles/2006/10/04/news/state/state01.txt" rel="nofollow"> a lot </a> of things which he contradicts later the same day.</p>
<p>â€œI was still pretty shell shocked myself,â€ Fordham said of the day he learned about the messages. â€œThis was someone I had worked for 10 years. I had no inkling that this kind of blatantly reckless &#8211; just obscene &#8211; behavior was going on behind our backs.â€</p>
<p>Asked if he had any information that could help investigators build a criminal case against Foley, Fordham said he wasn&#8217;t prepared to say yet. But he denied trying to suppress any information or evidence when he spoke by phone with ABC News before the instant message became public. He also said he had not discussed leaving Reynolds&#8217; office since his own role in the Foley case has come to light.</p>
<p>Fordham said that he never spoke to Reynolds about possible personal problems before the details of an e-mail exchange became public last Thursday, and Reynolds did not ask him about his ex-boss in the spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Baldy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baldy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SORRY about that. The first post didn&#039;t show up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SORRY about that. The first post didn&#8217;t show up&#8230;</p>
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