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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-2#comment-21196</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am actually of Dutch, German and Irish ancestry, but the
sour grapes here on this site  can only fester and grow. Rumsfeld&#039;s
condescension to &quot;Old Europe&quot; befits this bumbling mirerer
of US troops in a no-win war, and  sets the tone for the
Europhobes here  whose britches are bunched at the new
paradigm:

World War Two&#039;s era  of brief Western European fawning to
US interests is o-ver, boys. 

And For Enforcement just can&#039;t deal with the fact I am to his
right and he is a Wilsonian liberal, in foreign policy. I have pointed out the higher rate of homosexual tendency to pedophilia, for
example, and made no &quot;gay-friendly&quot; statements on this
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am actually of Dutch, German and Irish ancestry, but the<br />
sour grapes here on this site  can only fester and grow. Rumsfeld&#8217;s<br />
condescension to &#8220;Old Europe&#8221; befits this bumbling mirerer<br />
of US troops in a no-win war, and  sets the tone for the<br />
Europhobes here  whose britches are bunched at the new<br />
paradigm:</p>
<p>World War Two&#8217;s era  of brief Western European fawning to<br />
US interests is o-ver, boys. </p>
<p>And For Enforcement just can&#8217;t deal with the fact I am to his<br />
right and he is a Wilsonian liberal, in foreign policy. I have pointed out the higher rate of homosexual tendency to pedophilia, for<br />
example, and made no &#8220;gay-friendly&#8221; statements on this<br />
site.</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-21047</link>
		<dc:creator>Limerick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enforcement;

Ken is French?.......Now I know why he and I have been bumping heads since I found this site.  This whole French/American attitude war started when the French protested about the bombing of their railroads by the US Air Force before the Normandy invasion and their demand that WE PAY for any damage caused for liberating them.  Check out &#039;Eisenhower At War&#039; by his grandson David Eisenhower.  The whole French/America war started right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enforcement;</p>
<p>Ken is French?&#8230;&#8230;.Now I know why he and I have been bumping heads since I found this site.  This whole French/American attitude war started when the French protested about the bombing of their railroads by the US Air Force before the Normandy invasion and their demand that WE PAY for any damage caused for liberating them.  Check out &#8216;Eisenhower At War&#8217; by his grandson David Eisenhower.  The whole French/America war started right there.</p>
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		<title>By: perdogg</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-20916</link>
		<dc:creator>perdogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Newsweek, Set 2002

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068006</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Newsweek, Set 2002</p>
<p><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068006" rel="nofollow">http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068006</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-20914</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Aggressive Tendencies absolutely.  

I have never paid any attention to polls, good or bad for republicans.  I think they are inherently flawed.  

My theory about the exit polls in the 2004 election is that voters mistook poll takers for the press and refused to talk to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Aggressive Tendencies absolutely.  </p>
<p>I have never paid any attention to polls, good or bad for republicans.  I think they are inherently flawed.  </p>
<p>My theory about the exit polls in the 2004 election is that voters mistook poll takers for the press and refused to talk to them.</p>
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		<title>By: For Enforcement</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-20891</link>
		<dc:creator>For Enforcement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye,   Ken said:&quot;prefer a semi-closeted
dishonest queen, &quot;    

This is how dishonest Democrat Frenchmen(you&#039;re aware Ken is French) behave.  They see nothing wrong with Gay people, but then they slam them as Ken did. 
The sentence he used is akin to using the &quot;N&quot; word.

But on the the important topic.   AJ said above.&quot;Now I personally think the common sense Americans are so fed up they are not talking anymore, not responding to polls anymore. Not engaging in the dialogue anymore. My opinion is they will go vote in the Reps and cripple the Dems for good&quot;

I agree with him.  Conservatives are so fed up with hearing all the negativism they just want to get to the vote and get it over with.  I think the Dems are gonna be destroyed when they find out everyone HAS NOT bought their story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye,   Ken said:&#8221;prefer a semi-closeted<br />
dishonest queen, &#8221;    </p>
<p>This is how dishonest Democrat Frenchmen(you&#8217;re aware Ken is French) behave.  They see nothing wrong with Gay people, but then they slam them as Ken did.<br />
The sentence he used is akin to using the &#8220;N&#8221; word.</p>
<p>But on the the important topic.   AJ said above.&#8221;Now I personally think the common sense Americans are so fed up they are not talking anymore, not responding to polls anymore. Not engaging in the dialogue anymore. My opinion is they will go vote in the Reps and cripple the Dems for good&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with him.  Conservatives are so fed up with hearing all the negativism they just want to get to the vote and get it over with.  I think the Dems are gonna be destroyed when they find out everyone HAS NOT bought their story.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye:
It surprises me not the least you prefer a semi-closeted
dishonest queen, who, however, towed the Bush/neocon line
on the failed Iraq war, to a normal America Firster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye:<br />
It surprises me not the least you prefer a semi-closeted<br />
dishonest queen, who, however, towed the Bush/neocon line<br />
on the failed Iraq war, to a normal America Firster.</p>
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		<title>By: A Blog For All</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-20887</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blog For All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Polling On The November Election Outcome...&lt;/strong&gt;

Since all politics is local, the party control of Congress will depend on the outcome of 435 separate local elections, and there are only a handful of races that are competitive or likely to change hands. RCP puts the figure at 40. That&#039;s roughly 10%....</description>
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<p>Since all politics is local, the party control of Congress will depend on the outcome of 435 separate local elections, and there are only a handful of races that are competitive or likely to change hands. RCP puts the figure at 40. That&#8217;s roughly 10%&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AJ:

This is from the post indicated above:

In the NYT poll, 14% of respondents arenâ€™t even eligible to vote.  And of those 86% that are registered, a full 41% didnâ€™t vote, and an additional 10% donâ€™t remember.  And while Iâ€™m no math major, it would seem to me that of the total respondents to this poll, a full 50% of them either arenâ€™t registered to vote or didnâ€™t vote in the last midterm election. So again, please tell me, how it is that any conclusions can be drawn from this poll.  Further, a full 21% of registered voter respondents didnâ€™t even show up to vote in the 2004 Presidential election.

Further, just looking at the demographics should give you pause.  The poll is made up of 35% Democrats and only 30% Republicans, even though in 2004 party ID was even. While thatâ€™s not to say that it will be exactly the same this time, it should give pause.

Further, of the poll respondents that voted in the 2004 Presidential election, 38% voted for Kerry or Nader, while only 37% voted for Bush.   President Bush won in 2004 by about 3.5%. 

14% of respondents had no religion. In 2004, only 10% of voters had â€œnoâ€ religionâ€ and voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. 

Even more telling is that in the NYT poll, 50% of respondents either â€œneverâ€ attend church or do so only a few times a year. In the 2004 election, those people made up only 43% of the electorate and voted for Kerry by about a total of +15%.  (In fact in this poll 20% of voters â€œneverâ€ attend church, while in 2004 that number was 15%, and Kerry won them by a whopping 26%.

When it comes to the age of the poll respondents, 22% were between 18-29 even though in 2004, only 17% of voters came from this age category, and voted for Kerry by +9%.

The Demographics of the WP poll are even more ridiculous. In that poll, Democrat respondents outnumber GOP respondents by a full 11% (38-27%).  Plus, 3 of the 4 nights in the WP poll are weekends, and the poll director of the WP has previously admitted that weekend polls favor Democrats.

And yes, the numbers in both polls are dismal for the GOP, except that these polls are meaningless because we donâ€™t know the Congressional districts of the respondents. Only about 40  CD races are competitive. Where are the respondents in these polls from?

##########################

Now of course that does not mean the polls are good news for Republicans, but it does mean they may or may not be viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AJ:</p>
<p>This is from the post indicated above:</p>
<p>In the NYT poll, 14% of respondents arenâ€™t even eligible to vote.  And of those 86% that are registered, a full 41% didnâ€™t vote, and an additional 10% donâ€™t remember.  And while Iâ€™m no math major, it would seem to me that of the total respondents to this poll, a full 50% of them either arenâ€™t registered to vote or didnâ€™t vote in the last midterm election. So again, please tell me, how it is that any conclusions can be drawn from this poll.  Further, a full 21% of registered voter respondents didnâ€™t even show up to vote in the 2004 Presidential election.</p>
<p>Further, just looking at the demographics should give you pause.  The poll is made up of 35% Democrats and only 30% Republicans, even though in 2004 party ID was even. While thatâ€™s not to say that it will be exactly the same this time, it should give pause.</p>
<p>Further, of the poll respondents that voted in the 2004 Presidential election, 38% voted for Kerry or Nader, while only 37% voted for Bush.   President Bush won in 2004 by about 3.5%. </p>
<p>14% of respondents had no religion. In 2004, only 10% of voters had â€œnoâ€ religionâ€ and voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. </p>
<p>Even more telling is that in the NYT poll, 50% of respondents either â€œneverâ€ attend church or do so only a few times a year. In the 2004 election, those people made up only 43% of the electorate and voted for Kerry by about a total of +15%.  (In fact in this poll 20% of voters â€œneverâ€ attend church, while in 2004 that number was 15%, and Kerry won them by a whopping 26%.</p>
<p>When it comes to the age of the poll respondents, 22% were between 18-29 even though in 2004, only 17% of voters came from this age category, and voted for Kerry by +9%.</p>
<p>The Demographics of the WP poll are even more ridiculous. In that poll, Democrat respondents outnumber GOP respondents by a full 11% (38-27%).  Plus, 3 of the 4 nights in the WP poll are weekends, and the poll director of the WP has previously admitted that weekend polls favor Democrats.</p>
<p>And yes, the numbers in both polls are dismal for the GOP, except that these polls are meaningless because we donâ€™t know the Congressional districts of the respondents. Only about 40  CD races are competitive. Where are the respondents in these polls from?</p>
<p>##########################</p>
<p>Now of course that does not mean the polls are good news for Republicans, but it does mean they may or may not be viable.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2670/comment-page-1#comment-20873</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perdogg,

I am well aware of the weekend poll problem and I am of the opinion, and have stated many times, that the polls are really out of whack this year.  With that said, a 20+ spread implies a real difference.  5% is an error.  20% is a real difference.

Now I personally think the common sense Americans are so fed up they are not talking anymore, not responding to polls anymore.  Not engaging in the dialogue anymore.  My opinion is they will go vote in the Reps and cripple the Dems for good (and show why pollsters have to adjust when their numbers go whacky and stop trying to use the same failed models).

I think you will find we agree more than you think.  But it was a good opportunity to make some points with those Reps considering staying home in frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perdogg,</p>
<p>I am well aware of the weekend poll problem and I am of the opinion, and have stated many times, that the polls are really out of whack this year.  With that said, a 20+ spread implies a real difference.  5% is an error.  20% is a real difference.</p>
<p>Now I personally think the common sense Americans are so fed up they are not talking anymore, not responding to polls anymore.  Not engaging in the dialogue anymore.  My opinion is they will go vote in the Reps and cripple the Dems for good (and show why pollsters have to adjust when their numbers go whacky and stop trying to use the same failed models).</p>
<p>I think you will find we agree more than you think.  But it was a good opportunity to make some points with those Reps considering staying home in frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aj:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=874&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this &lt;/a&gt; is an itneresting post at anklebitingpundits.com on these polls. Check out the demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aj:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=874" rel="nofollow"> this </a> is an itneresting post at anklebitingpundits.com on these polls. Check out the demographics.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken:

Buchannan is freak. In his own way he is worse than Foley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>Buchannan is freak. In his own way he is worse than Foley.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buchanan did not abandon the GOP. The GOP abandoned him,
and conservatism. And the Iraq War was fomented by NEOconservatives,a hybrid originating in Trotskyism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buchanan did not abandon the GOP. The GOP abandoned him,<br />
and conservatism. And the Iraq War was fomented by NEOconservatives,a hybrid originating in Trotskyism.</p>
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		<title>By: Karig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in 2004, exit polls had Kerry obliterating Bush for President by something like nine to one.

Then the Republicans got off work and went to vote.

Keep the faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in 2004, exit polls had Kerry obliterating Bush for President by something like nine to one.</p>
<p>Then the Republicans got off work and went to vote.</p>
<p>Keep the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: perdogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>perdogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry AJ has fallen for this. Polls taken on weekends generally favor Dems.  Generic balloting polls are never accurate. 

In 1994, the gop was 7 to 10 behind the dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry AJ has fallen for this. Polls taken on weekends generally favor Dems.  Generic balloting polls are never accurate. </p>
<p>In 1994, the gop was 7 to 10 behind the dems.</p>
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		<title>By: Webloggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webloggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NY Times on Republican Extinction Week Again, Part 9439479949494â€¦....&lt;/strong&gt;

The New York Times is doing itâ€™s best to convince Republicans that they should stay home on Election Day, because after all, â€œWith four weeks left before Election Day, the poll indicates that the scandal involving Mr. Foley, a former Republican con...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NY Times on Republican Extinction Week Again, Part 9439479949494â€¦&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>The New York Times is doing itâ€™s best to convince Republicans that they should stay home on Election Day, because after all, â€œWith four weeks left before Election Day, the poll indicates that the scandal involving Mr. Foley, a former Republican con&#8230;</p>
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