Oct 14 2006
Reminder To The Voters: Democrat Senate Took On Iraq
Someone posted an interesting reminder for America to ponder this year. And that is the Iraq war was authorized under the auspices of a Democrat controlled Congress. The Democrat party was leading all the committees and held the gavel, and are the ones who actually authorized the Iraqi invasion.
In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
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That was on October 11th, 2002. Before the elections and a clear signal to America (because it was before the elections) of where the Democrats stood on the issue. In fact, the Democrats were more ready to go to war with Iraq in 2002 than they were to free Kuwait and drive Saddam away from Saudi Arabia in the first golf war!
The measure passed the Senate and House by wider margins than the 1991 resolution that empowered the current president’s father to go to war to expel Iraq from Kuwait. That measure passed 250-183 in the House and 52-47 in the Senate.
So the party that wants to run away and leave Iraq to Al Qaeda to exploit and begin building up forces to attack Europe and America is the one that also got us into Iraq, by massive margins? President Bush believes in what he is doing and a lot progress has been made to reach his goals. And every election year the terrorists try to spook us with increased attacks, so the violence is all about what is happening here, not in Iraq. But while the President is firm and confident, the Democrats are confused and regretting their mistakes. Maybe it is just a mistake to put confidence in a party that votes to maximize their election chances as opposed to considering what they are voting on?
Very good find. Forgot how the Dems were so eager to show us how they wanted to be strong on defense. Here are some more interesting facts from the 107th Congress:
The Senate was held by the Democrats from June 6, 2001 through November 25, 2002. Previously 50/50 spilt with control going to Republicans due to VP vote.
During this vote, the Senate was controlled by the Democrats, 50 to 49 with one independant (voted with the Dems).
The House was controlled by the Republicans, 221 to 212.
Does Strata dissemble or does he just not get it? Yes, the Democratic
HIERARCHY ignored their rank and file, 80% of which were opposed to giving Bush permission to launch the Iraq debacle.
Thus the Democrats were , in terms of an auto accident, perhaps
40% liable for the fiasco.
The Democrats however did NOT have access, as is the lie,
to the sweeping intelligence Bush did, some of which was
cherrypicked, other of which accepted though purveyed by
unbelievable Iraqi dissidents working with Israeli intelligence
and the OSP run out of the Pentagon by Doug Feith,
Republican and super-Likudist.
All this aside, Bush failed to plan for an insurgency and if
the Democrats make significant gains Strata must know well
it will largely be because of the unnecessary loss of life
due to the Bush war “planners” failing to heed the warnings of such
from the State Department and other key sources.
Strata doesn’t act like he believes the Truman axiom,
“the buck stops here,” in this case, substitute, blood for
buck.
Here you argument falls flat Ken;
COLUMBUS, Ohio 1999 – Facing tough questions from America’s heartland, the Clinton administration’s foreign policy team tried to make the case Wednesday for U.S. military action against Iraq. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright called Iraq’s disputed weapons arsenal the “greatest security threat we face.”
Or maybe this didn’t happen either Ken;
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Advisor 1999;
“In the 21st century, the community of nations may see more and more of this very kind of threat that Iraq poses now, the rogue state. … If we fail to respond, Saddam and all those who follow will believe that they can threaten the security of a vital region with impunity. But if we act now as one, we will send a clear message to would-be tyrants and terrorists that we will do what it takes to protect our security and our freedom in this new era.”
The War in Iraq…
The war was authorized by an overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans alike. Roll Call is here. Look at it, and remember. Do not let those that would try to avoid the realities of this, get away with it….
Limerick is caught in a time warp. He quotes 1999 information.
How about this more recent indicator of Bush Adminstration lying
of the Downing Street Memo persuasion?…
Both Condi Rice and Colin Powell assured the public Saddam had no utile WMDS and was contained in a box several times in 2001…before 9/11 allowed the neocons to switch course and lie us into a no-win war.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6456.htm
Limerick-you have taken the con. See above.
AJ–
I did some research on the treason charge against the American Al Qaeda guy, Adam Gadahn.
I learned a lot, and when you get a chance, you might take a look at the interesting details I found and write about Adam Gadahn.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/10/prosecuting-treason-and-first.html
The FBI is looking for people–including Americans—who possibly collaborated with Al Qaeda before 9-11.
Also, they don’t know who paid for 9-11. It might have been Iraq. They often pay for terrorism.
I learned the details about treason and even that there is a law that even provides for taking citizenship away from people born here.
They could be jailed for treason and when their sentence is up, they could be rearrested and jailed indefinitely if no other country wants them.
Ken, sometimes the truth stings a little doesn’t it. You are squealing like a stuck pig.
Don’t know if people in France get that saying or not.
I don’t know if that site Ken links is manipulating the words or not.
videos can be faked. Also, we would need to know the whole context. Politicians sometimes dissemble/lie to fool their enemies about what they suspect.
I do recall that Madeline Albright was very concerned about Iraq.
One of the men involved in the first attack on the WTC was living in Iraq. I think he had a government job. Saddam harbored terrorists like this and like Abu Nidal. http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/10/saddams-support-for-terrorism.html
If Saddam had an atomic bomb, we would be in the same situation as with North Korea, except that this Saddam would have a lot more power and influence because of all the oil money.
Plus, Saddam was always paying terrorists to blow something/someone up. After 9-11 we couldn’t take the chance that he would help these terrorists attack America.
Whose to say his operatives didn’t have a hand in 9-11. There is some evidence that they may have, and the government still doesn’t know who paid for 9-11. Maybe Saddam funneled the money to the 9-11 terrorists. Intelligence agencies often use terrorists to give them deniability.
M. Atta made a lot of trips for reasons that aren’t clear. He may have been trying to get money for his operation. http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/10/investigators-believe-there-were-other.html
Maybe Iraq even made the anthrax. http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/10/lethal-anthrax-was-less-sophisticated.html
CNN even claimed that Saddam offered Osama sanctuary in 1999.
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/09/did-saddam-offer-osama-sanctuary-in.html
I think it is even possible that people on the far left (NOT LIBERALS) helped with 9-11. Here is why I think that is a possibility: 9-11 is also the date of the 1973 coup in Chile, which the far left blames on the CIA.
After 9-11, some on the far left compared Chile’s 9-11 to America’s.
Their point was that our 9-11 was somehow “payback” for Chile.
Some clowns named Chalmers Johnson, Paul Street, and Saul Landau spread that line.
Plus, it is pretty easy to see that the left is blocking our attempts to protect ourselves from another terrorist attack. They claim they are doing this to protect civil liberties, but I don’t believe them at all. I think they are trying to make the legal environment terrorist-friendly. The left are scaring everyone about the civil liberties issues. This is just propaganda.
Ken:
I remember seeing Bill Clinton on TV with Tom Daschle standing at his side while he told America why it was necessary to take military action against Saddam. I remember him saying that he gauranteed us Saddam would use those weapons if he was not removed from power. People can try to rewrite history all they want, but unless they were stoned or drunk or just not paying attention or something they have to remember that.
Snapple;
The link Ken gave is to a web site of the MoveOn/KOS/Soros group.
The statements made WERE made…..BUT…….pre 9/11. If you remember Bush stated that the world changed on 9/11 and that America would act against anyone who conducted or supported terrorism.
I am beginning to wonder if somebody put something in the water over the recent past.
People tend to vote in patterns like they always have. Unless you have had a major culture shock to your political existance you will tend to continue your pattern.
Voting trends are like lifetime bowling averages, hard to change. Polls aren’t worth the paper the MSM is printed on.
Polls say people move opinions every ten minutes if you wish to believe them. Creative and nice for headlines, but usually not reflecting reality.
Sure a poll of 872 people out of how many active voters can tell you something.
Right I’ve got that. It is like asking 12 people at random on the street how to fix the tax system. A good way to meet people but signifying noting.
Polls are like market reasearch, sometimes glaringly wrong.
I can remember years ago when IBM did all their customer research and predicted that the total market for the IBM pc would not exceed more than maybe 2800 users. They considered it a niche market. BTW I happened to sit in on that meeting in my earlier life and I was ridiculed when I suggested the market was more likely in the neighborhood of 200 million pc’s worldwide. When asked why I said what I did, I replied, how many 4 function calculators were bought for hundreds of dollars when they first came out? Some people never have the vision. That is their loss.
If IBM wasn’t so stodgy they could have ruled the pc world instead of Microsoft.
After all look at my handle here… for those not clued into it, OS2 was a fine extendable operating system far more advanced than even Vista which Microsloth is bringing out this year so many years later. It was solid , it didn’t break or suffer blue screens of death. It had a fantastic utility package included. You could enable it to be voice activated with voice dictation instead of keyboarding yourself to death.
Compare that to Vista now. Pretty screens, lots of stuff put on your harddrive of which you use about 4%. Uses up all the power of your latest high tech machine and adds nothing to the mix.
I still prefere OS2 and still run it after all these years. Oh BTW the code name for the OS2 project was Merlin. So now ya know.
Limerick–
Thanks for the information.
I remember that during Clinton they were worried about the WMD and Iraq.
Maybe they threw their WMD in the sand. Maybe they went to Syria. Who knows.
I think the problem was Saddam’s intentions. He was always sponsoring terrorists.
He also bought mouthpieces in America and other countries to support his destructive policies.
For example, the American Indian Movement was getting money from the Baath party. This is documented right on the Colorado AIM site, which is the Ward Churchill faction of AIM.
Colorado AIM wrote:
“Through the IITC [International Indian Treaty Council, the international diplomatic arm of the American Indian Movement], cordial diplomatic relations were developed by 1979 with the Baath Socialist Party of Iraq. Through this relationship, substantial contributions were made to AIM and to the struggle for the return of the Paha Sapa (Black Hills) under the 1868 Fort Laramie Treaty. In 1982, although he occupied no official position within IITC and had received no other authorization to do so, Vernon Bellecourt made public statements “on behalf of AIM and IITC, extolling the Ayatollah Khomeni of Iran. Insofar as Iraq was, at that time, in a state of war with Iran, Bellecourt’s ill-conceived pronouncements resulted in an immediate suspension of Iraqi support to IITC, AIM and the Paha Sapa land struggle. Whatever personal benefits Bellecourt may have gained as a result of this conduct, Iran provided no compensatory support to the Movement. The whole fiasco represented a net loss, both politically and financially, to our liberation struggle.” http://www.coloradoaim.org/history/1994chargesagainstbellecourts1.htm
The document is unsigned, but this is Ward Churchill’s Colorado AIM faction. Probably he wrote this, but since it is unsigned, I can’t say for sure. Churchill is a tenured Plagiarist of Ethnic Studies! He never would have dissed Saddam like that moron Vernon Bellecourt did!
Churchill even published an article in a Soviet/Cuban mouthpiece called the “Covert Action Information Bulletin” (put out by Philip Agee, who defected from the CIA and lives in Cuba) claiming that FBI-backed death squads murdered 342 AIM members or family on Pine Ridge Indian reservation. This lie caused a lot of hatred.
http://www.yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/articles/WC1985CovertWar.htm
For information about the Covert Action Information Bulletin see:
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.com/2006/02/342-indians.html
Ward Churchill wrote a lot of distorted information that was given to the UN about our FBI.
That’s why you can’t believe what the UN says–they get it from propagandists who are paid by dictatorships. Look at this:
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/coinwcar3.htm
Look at the names on this list. Ward Churchill, Cynthia McKinney, some clown named Paul Wolf., various politicians, etc. They gave false information to the UN about the FBI.
But AIM got money from the Baath party and Cynthia McKinney gets a lot of her money from Arab organizations.
So who really paid for the information from American politicians and “scholars” that the UN was using? Maybe Iraq. Maybe the USSR.
Isn’t that something? Look up my links. This is published from their own mouths.
Merlin, thanks for that info about IBM. I was one of those people back then that was fascinated by computers, I went to a computer programming school back in the ’60s when a big memory was 8K that’s K not Megs. Yes I paid $129.00 for a 4 function calculator in 1970. I even had one of those early “computers” that I had to write programs in basic for. I remember that IBM sold out on PC’s because they didn’t think there was a big market for them and I thought they were nuts at that time. But in the mid 80’s, at some point, my secretary got a new IBM computer and it had OS2 and she and I both thought it was great. I wish they had never decided to let Gates supply them with something that they(MS) didn’t even have at the time, an operating system. Yeah, the PC business would have been a different world now.
Snapple, some good links, but a person can only read so much “anti-Americanism” at one sitting.
That last link, reference paul wolf and cynthia mckinney, A person would have to look very hard to find much truth in it. It is almost every bit anti-American. Isn’t it fortunate that former communists have McCarthy to blame all the troubles in the world on? “none of those peace movements and civil rights movement had any ties to communism” Well, thanks to the downfall of the USSR and the release of so much of their intelligence, we now know the truth.
But of course truth is mostly what we want it to be.
Should it be any surprise to anyone that organizations like the Baath party would support anti-Americans?
The communist party of the ’40s and ’50s is still alive and well, they refer to themselves nowadays as “Progressives” and they are in the Democrat Party.
Dear Enforcement–
I think a lot of people would be interested to learn that AIM was getting money from the Baath Party.
That document by Wolf, McKinney, Churchill, etc. was given to the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson on 9-2-01.
This is post-communism.
http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/CynthiaMcKinney/news/pr010902.htm
They reportedly also gave the UN Human Rights Commissioner Mary Robinson something called “confidential memorandum 46.”
They claimed it was a document written by National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski on March 17, 1978 which details the “federal government’s plan to destroy functioning black leadership in the United States. ”
I think this is probably some fake document that these people gave the UN to embarrass Brzezinski.
I read that The Human Rights Research Fund —co-founded by Ward Churchill’s wife, Natsu Taylor Saito—reportedly provided the COINTELPRO garbage to Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney for her presentation to the UN Human Rights Commissioner Mary Robinson back in 2001.
My source for this information is the 10-10-06 post at http://www.pirateballerina.com
They are giving fabricated information about our country to the UN.