Nov 08 2006
Olberman and Bin Laden Are Celebrating
With the current numbers 27 House seats and 4 Senate seats lost the conservative movement better take a good hard look at what happened. All their frustration with Bush has now left him as the only thing standing between our sanctity for life and fetus harvesting for spare parts. Remember when the House refused to compromise on illegal immigration? Well now there will be nothing done about it for two more years. We needed the hispanic voters (you know, the ‘legal’ immigrants) on our side yesterday. I don’t need an exit poll analysis to know the hispanics sent a message.
Bin Laden and Zawahiri and all the rest of the goose-stepping Islamo fascists are probably besides themselves with glee right now. And every brave Iraqi who stood up to take control of their country, who braved suicide bombs to vote, are probably cowering in fear. The Democrats are coming, with people like Keith OIberman at their head spewing insults and conspiracy theories. The terrorists know they have us on the run now. They want us out of the ME and they want to take on the EU to form their caliphate. The attacks on us will escalate. Once the herd turned, all the terrorists need to do now is scare us into a stampede.
Bush is all that stands in the way of rampant liberals. He and our military are going to have to weather a storm of witch-hunt investigations from the House. It seems the country said “what’s the harm, how bad could it be”? – and therefore voted for ‘change’. We shall see how bad it is. But those celebrating indicates it could be a lesson we did not need to learn.
Any conservative out there who wants to blame Bush is perpetuating this defeat. He has been solid and true to his positions. We voted him in – warts and all – and he deserved and still deserves our respectful support. I am not talking blind obedience – simply respectful support. It was internal recriminations that pushed the non-aligned voters away from the Reps. The insult of “RINO” should be banned from all serious, mature talk. It is a tiresome insult. Trying to define ‘good’ and ‘true’ reps verses all the others simply shrinks the pool of support. That too should have seen its last days, unless the reps want to remain a minority party. Insulting Hispanics and Muslim allies with wild and broad accusations does not win elections or pass Bills. We have two years to learn these lessons, and probably others
The Dems learned – to some degree. I am afraid it is only a facade and the sad truth will come out over time. But the Dems recruited conservative Democrats, people who are not like Pelosi and Kennedy. And that is how they won. They moved towards the common center. Ned Lamont lost – he was too far left. He did not hide his core beliefs well enough to pass muster. A lot of good people lost yesterday and the ‘payback’ so many called for over the year is now upon us. Hopefully the country will not be punished too hard for all our misteps – but with the characters now setting the tone (Olberman and Bin Laden), I am afraid things might get pretty rough.
I do want to thank all who stopped by the Strata-Sphere yesterday. It was a record day for us and it was an honor to spend election night with you good folks. Hope things stay well with you all.
One last thought on MD: I am really disappointed that African Americans have yet to stand up and be their own representatives. They lean on the Democrats way too much. Michael Steele was the best candidate in the country, yet party alliegance was stronger than hometown pride in PG County. That is one change I was really hoping to see happen. Not as much for reps, but for my neighbors across the river who deserved a national representative like Steele. Hope the Dems return the favor – but history shows they won’t.
Update: I have to disagree with someone I have got to know better during this election (by reading him more regularly) and who I admire – Hugh Hewitt. Hugh is blaming the Gang of 14 for the defeat we faced yesterday, but that group succeeded in getting conservative judges and justices to the bench without any filibuster. DeWine did not lose because of that – he lost because of the scandals plaguing Ohio. The center of this country (’moderate’ is an innacurrate term since it implies a lack of passion) still decide the winners in these races. I have a lot of respect and trust in America and Americans – therefore their decisions, made en masse cannot be that wrong. The question for Reps is why did the people, especially in the middle, turn their backs on them. As I said, I did not turn my back. But I understand why many would. They were just RINOs anyway.
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AJ: I appreciated your enthusiasm, but you were taking a leak up a waterfall!
My major regret, is that the reasons for this Democratic takeover, have been already, and will continue to be “spun” for the wrong reasons!
It will be, incorrectly, viewed as a “mandate”, and a vote on Iraq!
Nothing could be less true.
Your average American isn’t happy about Iraq, and a lot of the things that have occurred there, but I think your “average” American “get’s it” about the GWOT and Iraq. At a minimum, they support the troops.
I’m not talking about the Leftists, the Hollywood crowd, and the diehard Traitor Party moonbats, I’m talking about your average American!
No, the REAL reason the Republican’s LOST, and the Republicans DID “lose” this, the Democrats did NOT “win” it, is that the Republicans worked REAL HARD TO “lose” this: Randy “Duke” Cunningham, Bob Ney, Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff, Dubai Ports Deal, Harriet Myers, Entitlements, Earmarks, Dennis Hastert sticking up for Jefferson; Terry Schiavo; going TOO far on “abortion” in places like South Dakota; people like Rick Santorum being TOO religious; people like Curt Weldon steering business to his daughter (which Harry Reid, and Jack Murtha, were also doing….but it became viewed, as a “Republican” problem), etc., etc., etc…
Their is blame to go around, the Bush Administration for failing to on a weekly basis, pound the message of the GWOT and what we actually face; letting the Leftist, traitorous MSM, like the NYT, conduct a campaign of sedition and treason, via the Leaks of Classified Material, and failing to go after the leakers; failing to come out and talk to the American people after three years of demonstrably FALSE “Plamegate” scandal, and telling them exactly what Joe Wilson, Corn, NYT, etc. did; failing to go after the partisan and traitorous leakers in the CIA; the complete stupidity of the Dubai Ports Deal, the complete idiocy of the Harriet Myers nomination; the absolute corruption of Bob Ney and Randy Cunningham and Jack Abramoff, and refusing to tackle that head on! The give away of the tax payer’s money with the completely bogus Prescription Drugs giveaway; failing to tackle Immigration etc.!
Let me say it again, this was NOT a Democratic “win”; the Republicans worked very, very hard, to LOSE this, and portray themselves over the past 2 years, as the gang that couldn’t shoot straight!
I spoke to many fellow voters down here in Atlanta, both Dem’s and Reps; and the Iraq War was hardly mentioned by anyone; it was always, always, always…..”…the Dem’s don’t deserve my vote, but the Rep’s are corrupt…”!
And you know what, I can’t, and didn’t argue, because they worked hard to get that title!
Never, in my personal opinion, in my adult life, has a particular party worked so hard, to completely lose the trust of the electorate, in such a short amount of time!
I just hope, that’s there’s some “adults” left in the Republican party, who sit back now, and realize, the TRUE reason for this loss, and address the issues over the next two years!
Despite the dire consequences of the traitor party temporarily controlling the House, and probably the Senate, we can get thru anything for 2 years!
But Bush’s time is done, and it should be, he’s badly fumbled 6 years of goodwill from most of the country (outside the MSM, moonbats, Hollywood, etc.); and I’m NOT talking Iraq or GWOT; those are NECESSARY things, and we NEED to continue.
I can see the big picture, and we need someone now, who can, at a National Level, articulate why, and who can convince the American people to carry on!
Let the party of traitors, surrender their necks to the Jihadi butcher knives; I’m not so inclined; right now, the most important thing, is to isolate them, expose them for what they are, and try to EARN back the trust of the electorate by 2008!
You were hoping to see happen, but you had no basis for thinking would happen.
Remember all, you control your lives, the Government does not.
Just like the 70’s folks. Just like the 70’s. The MSM will now make open season on everything. Secrets??? There will not be any. Fairness??? There will not be any. The Dhimmis in the Democrat party will not be able to contain themselves and will beat every single far left idea into the MSM.
Jimmy Carter was right. There was a ‘malaise’. It was caused by not caring that the kid in the wheelchair was getting the snot knocked out of him. Americans turned their back and walked on by. The moderate Dems will not be able to hold off the Dhimmis and the MSM. There is no vehicle for them. It is Animal Farm time chil-rens!
All we have to work with, right now is the new media. While we try to correct our party we also have to correct our media. It is going to be an ugly war.
I’m not so worried about the war on terror, because I think most in Congress “get it”. In fact, didn’t the Dems say they were going after Bin Laden if they won? Let’s see if they make good on that…
I AM concerned about taxes, social issues, and endless investigations. Did you realize they are * still * mad at Dick Cheney about the five year old “energy task force”? As if it matters any more. But they still want an investigation!
If the congress veers too far left, watch for a counter tsunami in 2008…
Some screwy HTML, but this hits the mark of exactly what I am feeling.
The social cons went out fo their way in 2005-2006 to crap on the rest of the GOP, and they’re going to play the victim.
Christoph,
Yes I did have a basis for thinking Steele would get more PG County votes. That is his home town and 5 sitting Dem council members openly endorsed him.
Dale,
I believe I said math could not measure passion. The fact is it was very close and winnable. But the Reps lost support in the middle and they need to understand why it happened.
We may need the Hispanic Vote, but in reality, we never had it before. The most we ever had was in the mid 40% range. It is a dream to think we ever would. Now, we will get Amnesty, and the Flood will get even worse. Then, more Amnesty. Might as well let em all in.
believe I said math could not measure passion. The fact is it was very close and winnable. But the Reps lost support in the middle and they need to understand why it happened.
Left by AJStrata on November 8th, 2006
AJ: believe me, I’m NOT “hammering” you, or pointing out that you were “wrong”, or second guessing you, or anything like that; not trying to say “gotcha” or “hehehehe” or even trying to make you defensive!
Trust me, psychologically, I’m CRUSHED, maybe more that you!
I’m a FIRM believer, and supporter, of this War in Iraq, and the GWOT, because as a former Marine Intel Officer, who has “worked” the Islamic Fundalmentalism issue for almost 20 years, I know EXACTLY what we are up against!
It IS, the single, most IMPORTANT issue of our time!
I “GET IT”…I KNOW!
I think Bush, and Cheney, and Rumsfield, and a few others, “GET IT”; but for them, they get it for the wrong reasons actually, but more on that later!
But not me! There can be NO compromise, no surrender, no retreat, no “redeployment”, no cut and run, this has been coming for over 30years, and I’ve been warning people for 20years, and here it is!
And we’re still not doing it right, and for pure, POLITICAL GAIN, the Democrats, and the MSM, will force our Surrender, and trust me, we are SCREWED!
I just said you were pissing up a waterfall, despite your passion, because the Republicans, EARNED this defeat, for all the reasons that I outlined above, and that PISSED me off! Not your math, or enthusiasm, or views…
AJ,
Yeah. And if the Republicans are smart they are already planning on how to take it all back in 2008! There is albsolutely NO time for self-pity and wound-licking…we’ve got SERIOUS work to do. And blogs like this one will have a MAJOR impact on how that is done!
The work starts here and it starts right NOW. (speaking for myself at least) Now we have a group of people who should be under the electron microscope! Examined at the molecular level for any and all misconduct, subversive activity, and all that other stuff that we promised to do. We can ill afford to pick each other apart now in recriminations and second guessing.
1. What will happen to our brave miltary and those who lead them?
2. Where will any future judges come from?
3. Will we be able to discover where the next attacks will come from?
4. Will illegal aliens have the same rights as the rest of us?
5. Will raising our taxes kill this booming economy? (duh)
6. Will there even BE any Social Security in 7 years when I retire?
7. What will happen to the Patriot Act?
8. Will terrorists be given constitutional rights? Will the next war be fought with lawyers and judges rather than on the battlefield?
I could go on and on. How much “damage” can the Dems do in 2 years? Plenty!! Can we stop them? Remains to be seen. But we sure can’t afford to give up and go away. THEY didn’t. Look where they are…and look where we are. There’s only one direction that is thinkable and that is UP! Believe it!
Carol
AJ…….I suspect your posts will be the only one I agree with on this election. The scary thing is what I am reading from our side in ‘lessons learned’.
Truth? The voters BETRAYED the troops and their families. Not the first time……they SPIT on returning Nam vets.
So who made this possible? I went to read ONE particular site this morning (just wanted to see if there was a ‘mention’ of their horse) and see if the smile on their face was as big as the smile on ABC’s. Mentioned. Just a smirk behind the hand.
You are right on Bush. He and a couple dozen in Congress. They are the only ones that deserve my respect. I did not watch or read yesterday because I knew what was coming.
Immigration put the nail in the coffin. When you see a favorite blog scream ‘traitor’ over an issue and another smirk daily, you know they are going to take it down, REGARDLESS of what they kill in the process.
Just too angry with the Destroyers this morning who do not now CARE what they have turned loose on the rest of us. Turned loose on the Troops that they support with lots of blog space and lip service that gets the same RESULTS as Kerry. Much too angry so I will try to take a vacation from this.
And they will deny it the same way they denied Miers. HELLOOOOooo…….it was NEVER EVER ABOUT Miers. NEVER EVER. Can you hear me now? NEVER. Let me see how you manage to get YOUR choices confirmed now. They will never acknowlege……..they stand on principle…..doncha know.
Charlie Rangel, John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Pelosi now leading the fight against our enemies. More power to Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin, Rockefellow, Hillary, Schumer, Boxer, Levin and our FIRST Cair Senator. YOU gave them this power over our sons and daughters. You traded off your obligations to this group in favor of personal issues that in YOUR opinion are more important and then you stand up and preach that you are ’standing on principle’. Yep, vacation time.
Losers…
The losers are still losers no matter how much they spin their reasons why. A mirror still hangs somewhere to show them who they are. Losers. Sad clowns will follow the elephants to console them for their loss. Losers. It wasn’t about Bush or…
We didn’t lose this election; we gave it away.
We allowed the killing of the unborn to be reduced to a catch phrase “woman’s right to chose”. Chose what?
We allowed the war on terror to be centralized to the war against terrorists in Iraq while we said little about the rest of the world being bombed by kids with dynamite strapped to their waists.
We allowed political correctness to continue by not pointing out the very reasons why Muslim American remains silent on terrorism.
We allowed those like Murtha and Kerry to continue with their “cut and run” association with Vietnam while we never pointed out what happened when a Democrat House and Senate pulled funding from South Vietnam that had been promised them. We never pointed out the carnage that became South Vietnam.
We allowed the left to smear those like DeLay (who has not been convicted of any wrong doing) and play up Cunningham, Ney, and Abramoff while we sat on the sidelines giving Murtha, Reid and Jefferson time to spin their stories for the MSM.
We allowed the MSM to print their subversion while we took it and failed to find out WHO was leaking sensitive national security secrets.
We allowed Joe Wilson to beat up on the administration while we never bothered to investigate what Wilson’s “uranium” business was in Niger that his wife bragged about or the fact that it was anti-war Armitage who shot off his mouth.
We allowed Foley to define our morals while we said nothing about how a Democrat hack had shopped the story and the Democrats had the story for months, if not years, but did nothing about it until it was politically expedient. If it were not for the bloggers, no one would have know or remembered Gerry Studds and the standards the Democrats set with him.
Instead of playing offense, we played defence and played right into the far left wing of the Democrat party, the wing that is now in control.
So what if the Dems elected are conservative. The will vote with the far left faction that is now in power if they want more than one term. They will become players.
So we can see the nation’s will to fight the war on terror evaporate. We will hear the left say that we have not been attacked in five years so there is nothing to worry about and the right has only been using fear to stay in power.
And we can watch as the Jolly Jihadists take their time and get ready for the next big bang, maybe in downtown Chicago. And sure, we can then ask the left, what did YOU do to prevent this, but it will be too damn late.
On November 8, 2006, almost 3,000 American military just died for nothing as victory has just been handed to the ones who want to kill us all.
Retired05: man, you hit it on the head!
Wow! Do you all realize that you sound like the Democrats in 2002 and 2004 that you all laughed at because you all claimed you had a “mandate”?
The American people have spoken. And it is so digusting that you want to use such ridiculous hyperbole. Well, you can all hide your head in the sand for a terrorist attack that’s not coming, and I’ll go celebrate the fact that American has FINALLY woke up to the incompetence of Bush and his ilk. And retire05…3,000 American military have died for nothing. AND THAT’S WHY YOU LOST.
All of you. Take your own advice from 2002, 2004. GET OVER YOURSELVES.
while “we” did a lot of the things, the thing we did the most of was spend money. we spent so much we spent our way out of control. literally. we threw the gipper under the bus. if we learn anything the next two years i hope that is it. a republican’s first task has got to be reducing the size of government or at least stopping its growth. over the last six years it has grown at a record pace. they deserved to lose.
on a bright note dick morris actually has a good short article on what the next two years will look like. it’s not as bad as you think.
http://tinyurl.com/y42b7n
good stuff dale on the particulars……….
Great points Retired05. Another thing: Let’s not suffer from Pelosi Derrangement Syndrome or Democrat Derrangement Syndrome. When Pelosi and her crew genuinely screw up then we point it out, but let’s not spiral into silly conspiracy theories like the kook-fringe-nutroots-Democrats did. We’re better than that and this is our opportunity to prove it.
Let’s learn from our mistakes and kick butt in 08.
Election Results and Good News From Iraq Part #12…
If you are not sure what I am talking about the read “The Soldiers Speak up–LOUDLY”, “The Soldiers Keep Speaking”, “Another Soldier Speaks”, “American Soldier Speaks to Anti-War Protesters.” and “Confederate Yankee Interviews Soldiers in Iraq…
CT, somehow learning from our mistakes doesn’t seem to give me any solace. I don’t think it is a talking point that will resonate with the families of dead Americans the next time we are attacked by those the left gave the means to kill us.
Americans are trusting. We never believe that those like Henry Waxman, who helped CodePink sent $600,000.00 to the terrorists or Charlie Rangel who spoke at a World Workers Party/Out of Iraq Now rally would never harm us. But they will in their desire for a socialist utopia where no one goes hungry, no one is ever sick and everyone lives in a nice sububan house.
If you want to see how the Democrats can destroy a society, just look at the city I grew up in, St. Louis. In 1980 the population was 580,000. Now, the crime rate is the highest in the nation making it the most unsafe city in our nation to live in, taxes are out of control (they even have a CITY employment tax) businesses are bailing out on a record level, the police department is the most corrupt in the nation outside of New Orleans and now the population has decreased to 320,000 in 25 years.
Yeah, we are going to learn from our mistakes.
I have to say that I think most of you guys really missed the mark. Especially Retired’s rant.
I voted Republican in the 90’s because they were going to restore fiscal and moral responsibility to the government. Then there was the GWOT, and I thought we needed a strong, resolute government that would protect our best interests. Lord knows the Democrats wouldn’t provide that… they can barely agree to tie their shoes.
I do believe we Republicans defeated ourselves in this election, but not for all the circumstantial reasons Retired rattled off. I myself am very disappointed. I’m disappointed in the moral shortcomings of our elected Republican leaders. It turns out, they might not be as virtuous as they say and (as I do with my children) the most important way to demonstrate your values is to personally adhere to them.
As for the GWOT, it seems like our military has no plan. Our beloved troops are being embarrassed in Iraq, and not because of the do-nothing-ocrats. I thought our military was supposed to be fast-acting, quick-adapting, winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis we went there to liberate. Well, we’re not leading. Leadership is why I elected Bush!
I don’t know. I’ve been let down by our congress and our president. I don’t know what the answer is, but it isn’t blaming everyone else and making up excuses. We need to fix our party, but we need to work together.
Why the Republicans lost….
The short answer: President Bush and the GOP majority in Congress share the blame. But not for the reasons the media is reporting this morning.
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Steven, since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem, I will say this loud and clear; I BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE LOSSES YESTERDAY.
Point 1) Republicans are no more corrupt than Democrats. Probably a lot less where the truth known. But we out our own, the Dems circle the wagons and protect the corrupt pols on their side. Case in point: William Jefferson. Why hasn’t Pelosi demanded Jefferson’s resignation?
Point 2) Winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. Gee, have you forgotten that we bailed on them in 1991? Or have you forgotten that they have been indoctrinated into thinking all infidels are evil for the last 1500 years? How do you propose that we change the hearts and minds of people who think we should be dead because that is what their religion tells them (you know, we, the infidels) when they have had 1500 years to build that mindset?
So in your disappointment in our party you attack me with your comments about “ranting” and “rattling”? If you are going to slam me, address me personally, not speak of me in the third person like I am some non-entity. And people like you are the reason we lost. Just too much MSM Kool-aid, I suppose.
AJ,
” I have a lot of respect and trust in America and Americans – therefore their decisions, made en masse cannot be that wrong.” –
Even the majority gets it wrong sometimes. As Lincoln said: You can fool all of the people, some of the time.”
We know the MSM is the enemy, but the Republicans in both houses deserve no respect whatsoever. They could have defended the President, condemned our enemies , challenged the congressional turncoats and touted the economy. Instead, they have been AWOL. I blame this weak and inept Republican Congress for the losses.
Agree with Limerick and Retire05.
Retire, the GOP certainly sat back and let their reputations and ideas be destroyed and distorted without challenge.
Don’t deserve to win in that case.
The Senate Republicans never had a majority based on conservative principles; therefore, it makes that much more difficult in getting things done.
Mark78, because the right lost sight of their conservatives values, do you think that was really a reason to elect the left that thinks parents do not have the right to know someone is taking their minor daughter over a state line for a medical procedure that could be life threatening?
America just chose the greater of two evils.
I said before that this election would be a referendum on the MSM. unfortunately, it was – the MSM won… again. We have had for 30 some years an unelected, unaccountable, leftist media that holds incredible power over the thinking, the direction of this country. Somehow we gave them that power, and so far we have not been able to break it. The internet, the blogs, have made a difference, but the MSM still has incredible power as was just demonstrated.
You can take all the individual factors that are cited – Iraq, War on Terror, “corruption” (give me a break), Harriet Myers (who?), economy (?), Bush Lied (he didn’t), etc. Individually, none of them amount to anything, but individually the MSM blew every single one of them up into a huge factor that, by itself, had a great impact on the psyche of the electorate. Compound that by MSM blowing every single one of them up way out of proportion, while at the same time downplaying much worse issues on the liberal side. As someone (Talent?) said, it was a headwind the conservatives could not overcome. The headwind was artificially created and enhanced into a hurricane force that drowned out anything else. How could most normal Americans who only watch CNN an hour every night come away with anything other than the country was on the verge of disaster. If I watched CNN every night, or read NYT every day, I would be a blithering idiot too. I can’t blame the electorate – I wish more would try to discern better – but how? I blame the MSM. The constant drumbeat of misery, destruction, evil BushRoveCheney, it weighs on people until they decide it’s “time for a change”.
The fact that we have an unelected, unaccountable, entity in this country that holds such incredible power should bother everyone – conservatives, democrats, liberals alike. That they wield it in a fashion that negates the entire electoral process this Representative Republic was founded on should scare everyone. Libs should be scared that it could work the other way at some point, and as a conservative, that would bother me just as much.
AJ, I disagree with Hugh on his point that the media had no effect – he says we had the same media in 2002, 2004. I think it has been much, much worse over the last couple of years out of desperation as they have gone beyond blatant, to completely on the other side in many cases. They have become desperate because of the alternate media – and they won again – this time. We knew they would become desperate, and that it would get ugly, as blogs like yours continue to expose the corruption.
I don’t necessarily disagree with Hugh on his McCain comment. I think he meant it in the way that I think of McCain – and frankly the rest of the Republicans in congress. I can’t help but compare President Bush to William Wallace in Braveheart – where he is repeatedly left standing on the battlefield alone, while his “compatriots” have created appeasment “deals” that ultimately led to their and their country’s demise while he still stood firm. He may even come to the same end during the next two years as the libs quarter him in public “investigations”. One satisfaction is that he will ultimately be regarded as one of the greatest Presidents ever – while the McCains will be relegated to the dustbin of history like their counterparts in Scotland.
Hey, no complaints of election fraud today? I guess it was insurance for them.
Rummy is leaving. Who is next?
AJ,
Good post. Bush is our last line of defense.
Bill in AZ,
Well said and well meant!
most of you sound like democrats–dicussing talking points ad nauseum. this is why we lost:
“while “we” did a lot of the things, the thing we did the most of was spend money. we spent so much we spent our way out of control. literally. we threw the gipper under the bus. if we learn anything the next two years i hope that is it. a republican’s first task has got to be reducing the size of government or at least stopping its growth. over the last six years it has grown at a record pace. they deserved to lose.”
ronnie has been rolling over in his grave!
if you look at the platform of most of the dems that beat the repubs it was spending–they ran as conservative democrats who want to balance the budget or at least cut spending. do they really want to balance the budget? i don’t know. but americans certainly will vote for somene who does and that is what they did yesterday. the contract with america in 94 was about that. it only took the repubs 68 years since newt left to run us into the ground. i say good riddance to the lot of them. we will survive the next two years. the dems can only be ankle biters. however we had better bring forward serious fiscal budget crunchers if we hope to regain power. all this other crap is deck chairs on the titanic. get real. if you run the country into the ground, as the repubs have done with their “bridges to nowhere” they deserve to be booted out. if you can’t balance your checkbook i don’t want to hear about any of your other ideas. it’s that simple. what does it matter if bush’s tax cuts helped revive a broken economy and then congress pisses it away?
the real price we are going to pay—open borders. on the bright side–roberts and alito are on the court.
rummy is leaving is bullshit; it won’t appease the party of Traitors!
it sends all the wrong signals, to the wrong people at the wrong time…
UBL/Al Qaeda, the Jihadis are dancing on our graves, and laughing!
The Leftotraitors will not stop at Rummy, they’ll be after Cheney to step down, and impeach Bush….
This is just bullshit…
dale,
they just asked bush if cheney should go like rumsfeld……..
Dale in Atlanta: “Let the party of traitors, surrender their necks to the Jihadi butcher knives; I’m not so inclined; right now, the most important thing, is to isolate them, expose them for what they are, and try to EARN back the trust of the electorate by 2008!”
Hey Dale,
You’re right. By and large, the Republicans did a bang-up job of losing themselves control of the house, and probably, the majority in the senate. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you would have preferred their continued corruption and perfidy to voting for traitors, is that right? Traitors like James Webb, Sec. of Defense in the Reagan administration, who was so disgusted with the Bush admin.’s Iraq debacle that he switched parties to run as a Democrat? Traitors like Tammy Duckworth, who lost both legs serving in Iraq? Iraq veteran Tim Walz of Minn., who upset the incumbent in one of the state’s most histrically republican districts? Are they all traitors, too, Dale? Really,Dale, you’re quite cavalier in flinging that charge about.
I voted for the Dems in this election. I’m proud to have Democrat and civil rights leader John Lewis represent me in the 5th congressional district of Georgia. He was beaten senseless and nearly killed in the sixties standing up for equal rights for people of color. But since he opposes the war in Iraq and is a member of the “party of traitors”, that makes him a traitor, right? I gave money to help Democrats like Walz and Webb and worked phone lines urging people to vote for Democrats in districts all around the country. Furthermore, I have no plans of surrendering my neck to Jihadi butcher knives, or, especially, to the ignorant likes of s.o.b.s like you. But, all this aside, I assume that, by your ridiculous standard, I’m still a traitor. Well, Dale, I’m really sick and tired after five years of hearing fools like you scream traitor at any and all who disagree with your deluded perspective of the so-called “GWOT” . I’m really sick and tired of, after nearly 3000 American soldiers killed, 22,000 wounded- many maimed for life, God only knows how many innocent Iraqis killed and a remaining population collasping into sectarian violence and civil war, listening to your insane and irrational fears of having your throat silt by invading Jihadis. I’d be a better man if I could ignore all the self-styled super-patriots who would, it seems, given their rhetoric, love to prosecute, jail, and put to death thousands of their fellow countrymen. Because isn’t that what you do to traitors? Lock up ‘em for life, put them in internment camps, put them to death? You can’t just disagree about Iraq with your political opponents. You can’t just engage in vigorous debate about what is the best strategy for fighting Islamic terrorists. No, you have to impugn their love of country, you have to declare that the Democratic Party and millions of Americans are actively seeking to subvert the republic and bring an islamo-fascist reign of terror down on America and their own famalies. The fact of the matter is, Dale, is that you loathe and fear your own fellow countrymen a hellva lot more than any jihadist. Isn’t that the truth of it?
Well, Dale, as both you and I live and work in Atlanta, and as you loathe the “party of traitors”, want to “expose” and “isolate “them, here’s a concrete opportunity to face down someone you’d call a traitor. I take exception to being called that by the likes of you. Great exception. In fact, if you’d like to, I’d be glad to afford you the opportunity to call me a traitor to my face. You obsequious, pusillanimous toad.
The Anchoress has another brilliant post.
The right lessons learned and it was the MSM that won this election. They waged a better campaign than both parties together. They have waged a better war than the terrorists combined.
I agree with every word she wrote except about Pelosi. She will be Speaker.
Take a look at her post……The Anchoress is like AJ and gives very good advise and a view from middle America.
Patrick: sorry, can’t see it, at work and no CNN! But I’m not surprised!
Stand by for 2years of mayhem and surrender, by the Treasoncrats!
“rummy is leaving is bullshit; it won’t appease the party of Traitors!”
By “Traitors”, do you mean all those people in the military who publicly called for his resignation Monday?
I hate to tell you this, but Rush just brought up Rummy’s resignation on his radio show and said that the “war crimes” investigations are coming. So instead of telling the Dems to calm down and work with Rummy and the White House…he threw him under the bus. Nice!
Are we being sold out?
Carol
pelosi demanded that rumsfeld be fired one hour before bush’s news conference. it must just be a coincidence……
I don’t know the ins-n-outs but I expect that Rummy might have just said ‘take this job and shove it’. Dunno. Any honeymoon between Pelosi and Bush is going to last about 5 mins.
CNN called MT for the dems.
Sometimes, the only way forward to wisdom, is a swift kick in the behind.
And, now the democrats have two years to show us “what they can do.”
Including doing the stuff that will anger a lot of folk. Should they inherit a slide in the stock market, which just started. And, a jobs’ layoff. While Rumsfeld’s been fired. And, whatever happens “next” it won’t be for the protection of our soldiers; BUT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE UN. While who knows what the costs are?
Am I surprised? Yes.
Is it the end of the world? No.
One thing about Iraq, because it’s showing us the arabs can’t really reach “democracy” without going hell bent on violence, and tribal killings, AT LEAST WE WON’T GIVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO IRAN.
Will people laugh for awhile?
Sure.
But what does it mean to give Nancy Pelosi such a head start?
Over the next two years, how do the donks charm their way back into the White House?
From Carol to Carol: No, we’re not going to be sold out! IF the donks get very aggresive against our efforts on the War on Terrorism, it will be their weaknesses for blood lust that will get exposed.
People vote their passions. Passions will eventually calm down. And, buyer’s remorse may yet set in?
Can Bush work with the democrats? Isn’t this what he did in Texas?
Plus, a lot of the people running for election did NOT comport themselves as left wingers. They ran “conservative.” Since the democrapic house is, in fact, in a state of DISrepair, why assume that politics just continues with bait and switch tactics? And, lawyers investigating everything? Where did this crap really work?
And, is there a blessing in disguise, here? In other words, instead of finding the GOP at a disadvantage in 2008. It shows up NOW.
Frist and Guiliani BOTH CHOSE NOT TO RUN in ‘06.
What happens if the donks run amok?
You think “leaving vietnam” is back on the agenda?
There are a lot of ways this stuff can get sliced-and-diced.
The republicans? Yup. It got much harder. (But where? On the conservative’s agdenda?)
Yesterday, in fact, was a good day for the MAINSTREAM. As the government divided 50/50. And, people are watching! It seems Nancy Pelosi spent some time getting a face lift. (Gone for 3 weeks. To come back and claim her prize.) But it’s still a tug-of-war.
By the way Gates (from the CIA), is coming into the Pentagon. So, for Iraq? Perhaps the decisions that roll away are the one’s that got put in place to try for “real democracy?” And, not Chalabi?
If there’s a 3rd rail in politics; getting Americans angry, wholesale, seems to be the exposure. Would things have been better of Hastert had been tossed out? Sure. Hindsight.
Now let’s see how both parties build. Especially when “less pork” cuts off supplies to programs. And, Bush does carry a veto pen! (The democrats don’t have enough congress-critters to over-ride vetoes.)
But it’s still feels awful. (Perhaps, better now, to take the GOP out for repairs, than in 2008?) How did Frist and Guiliani know? I was so sure they were both wrong! My turn to learn lessons.
I went to bed in the wee hours very discouraged and depressed. I woke up this morning to find out that GWB just did a major in-you-face by replacing Don Rumsfield with Bob Gates. This is rejoicing time. Bob Gates knows where all those leaking bodies lie at the CIA, he knows Iran, he is perfect for dealing with the resurrection of Sandinista Daniel Ortega. He is phenom. brilliant and it was all planned. Know what Bob Gates has been doing lately besides being President of A&M University? I love it … he has been on the Baker/Hamilton commission. An architect of the proposed change of direction. This is such a brilliant move. And, blogger heaven.
By “Traitors”, do you mean all those people in the military who publicly called for his resignation Monday?
Left by Shimanilami2 on November 8th, 2006
“all those people” in the Military did NOT call for Rumsfield’s as you mistakenly, or deliberately, misrepresent!
The EDITORIAL Pages, of the Army Times, Marine Coprs, etc., carried an Editorial, calling for his resignation!
HOWEVER, the Military Times newspapers, are owned by the Gannett Corporation, the parent Corporation of USATODAY; a Leftist, Anti-American, Anti-Bush newspaper, despite their audience, and Gannett Corporation, provides the Editorial Direction of the Military Times papers, and ever since they bought them up, they’ve steered them in a very liberal, leftist direction, as the Editorial on Monday shows!
So please, get your FACTS correct, before you go around posting more BS…
the ARMY TIMES has one use and one use only for the troops……they check the promotion scores there. Other then that it lines the bird cages and informs the contractors where to gouge next.
I think the Army Times is bs but I do think that someone had to take the fall for Iraq and since Rumsfeld is the Secretary of Defence, he is the guy.
Bush needs to restore confidence and this is probably what this is about.
War crimes? maybe, but remember if they bring in war crimes, they have to go after the troops and people will not like that.
AJ,
Thanks for a great blog. I share your core values and appreciate your policy analyses. Your commenters, right and wrong, are challenging.
Churchill was turned out of office after leading Britain to Victory in WW2. Bush-1 was rejected after victory in the Persion Gulf War. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
The Dems caused a lot of mischief for Nixon and Reagan in their 2nd terms. So we must stand strong with our new tools of communication and with a clear recognition of our real enemies and not learn the wrong lessons from this election.
Veteran’s Day in three days. Dust off the flags. Put those ribbons back up. Say thank you! Drive to the airport. Buy a lunch. Offer a serviceman/woman use of your cell phone before they get on a plane.
Help out the USO. Say thanks. Anyway you can.
The Dems would have made life for Rummy unbearable, he does not do fools well, now they don’t have the chance. Maybe DOD needs fresh eyes, Rummy has done a lot, he is a fine man who deserves our greatest respect. I think this is a favor to Rummy.
Guess who owns Military Times?? Gannett.
They are part of the MSM. They just used one of their publications to state what they have been saying in their OP-Ed pages. It’s a farce.
Kathie:
Yes, Rumsfeld is not a young man either. These last years could not have been easy for him.
R. Mutt, you are typical of the left wing of American politics. You complain about corruption in Republicans but say nothing about Gerry Studds, William Jefferson, Harry Reid and his shady real estate deals along with his refusing to return $68,000 in Abramhoff kickbacks, along with every other Dem that has fattened his bank account by shady deals. It seems you are only concerned, like your idols on the left, with corruption on the right side of the aisle.
You talk about the 3,000 soldiers who have died in Iraq. You would have been one of those who, as the death toll came in from Iwo Jima, would have demanded that we just give the island to the Japanese as the cost to take that island was just too great.
You repeat history, sir. You are a copperhead, and nothing in your rhetoric has changed since 1864.
No, sir, we are not “selfstyled super patriots”, we are citizens who realize that we are facing the worst threat to our nation and our citizenry in our entire history. We realize that our enemies will not be appeased and they view our reluctance to kill them, to a man, as weakness. We understand that we cannot change a culture, built on the sword, in four years.
You say that we on the right cannot engage in vigorous debate on what is the best strategy for fighting Islamic terrorism. Well, I have been listening very closely. Perhaps you can tell me what the strategy of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean are to win against those who would love you see you and your entire family buried under the rubble of another large building.
Then, true to your liberal nature, you call out someone with whom you disagree. Was that to show what a tough guy you are? If so, you failed. You just come off as an angry, ill-informed and bitter person who has yet to get over the butt kicking the Republicans have been giving your party since 1994.
So when the stock market continues to fall, blame your party. When your taxes go up, blame your party. When it is legal to take your 14 year old daughter across state lines to get her an abortion without your permission (yet requiring you to give permission for the school nurse to give her an aspirin or the teacher to take her on a field trip), blame your party. When unemployment starts to rise because businesses are taxed to the point where they can no longer create jobs, blame your party. And when the next attack on American soil happens, blame your party.
Funny thing about this election, though. Where are all the hanging chads? Where are all those disenfranchised voters? Where is all the voter fraud? It seems that all those knuckle dragging morons who did not know how to vote in the last two elections just earned their PhDs. Never mind the 10,000 fraudulent registration cards turned in in St. Louis and Kansas City by Hillary’s favorite group, ACORN.
So perhaps you can explain to me why, when it is Repubicans winning, it is through voter fraud and voter disenfranchisment? But when the Dems win, it is because the voters are so very, very smart.
Terry your right, it must have been very tough—-and sitting in front of congress would have been the last straw for him. He has served our Nation well, he is a remarkable man, God Bless him and we all need to be so grateful to him
DaleinAt, limerick, retired, etc. All excellent comments
My daughter called me a little while ago and asked how I was holding up. I told her it’s not my fault there are a lot of damn fools in the world. I did my part.
Pres. Bush is a strong moral leader with a lot of vision. Too bad he didn’t have a strong supporting crowd in the Congress.
In general, I feel that the Repubs lost the election. The Dems didn’t win, they are just the beneficiary of a lost election. They don’t stand for anything good. At least we can blame everything on them starting today. The Dem led senate voted to go into the Iraq war, so I guess we can start calling it “their” war. What the hell they gonna do with it?. What are they thinking? They’ve been in for what, 12 hours now and I haven’t heard their plan to get out yet. What they waiting for?
The military is NOT against Pres. Bush. You people that are doing so, have got to stop believing the Formerly MSM. They are going downhill faster each day. They prob won’t be around at all in about 5 years. If you don’t believe that, just watch Katie ‘perky’ Couric one time. If you don’t get sick to your stomach, you aren’t normal.
Did you see them questioning Pres Bush in the P conference today, they were downright rude. He should’ve kicked their butts out, but he’s too upright for that.
\”I went to bed in the wee hours very discouraged and depressed. I woke up this morning to find out that GWB just did a major in-you-face by replacing Don Rumsfield with Bob Gates. This is rejoicing time. . . .brilliant and it was all planned.\”
Thaaat\’s right, Squiggly, keep telling yourself how joyous and wonderful it all feels. It may not be politically correct, but we know better: [please keep it civil]So you keep right on thinking about rainbows and pink bunnies and flying unicorns while the Republicans continue to get the vicious rump roasting they so richly deserve.
\”we must stand strong with our new tools of communication and with a clear recognition of our real enemies and not learn the wrong lessons from this election. \”
No need for reminders, Macker, everybody is fully aware that Republicans couldn\’t give a rat\’s ass about terrorism, but simply use the issue to attack their \”real enemies,\” i.e., blacks, feminists, Mexicans, liberal, gays, civil libertarians, the poor, and, of course, the Democratic Party that represents the rights of all Americans.
\”Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.\”
Tsk, tsk, tsk; why is it that Republicans hate American democracy so much?
Know what Bob Gates has been doing lately besides being President of A&M University? I love it … he has been on the Baker/Hamilton commission. An architect of the proposed change of direction. This is such a brilliant move. And, blogger heaven.
Squiggler, I am a big Rummy fan, dating back to his first stint as SECDEF in the mid 70’s, and my initial reaction was that one of the best public servants this country has ever seen just got thrown under the bus. After reflecting on it a bit, I came to exactly the same conclusion as you. I think this is a brilliant move. As a retired member of the military intelligence (I know – oxymoron) community, Don Rumsfeld has my eternal gratitude.
So perhaps you can explain to me why, when it is Repubicans winning, it is through voter fraud and voter disenfranchisment? But when the Dems win, it is because the voters are so very, very smart.
Retire05, just a guess, but could it be because the Donks are a bunch of
I truly believe that the jihadists/Iranians are going to completely misread this whole thing and do something to change the whole conversation in America. I do not hope they do, but I expect it. They do not understand us. There IS an invisible line in the sand. A line that even we cannot see, but it is there. I don’t think the Dhimmi’s will have long to control the conversation in congress.
(CONTINUED – not sure what happened)
SORE LOSERS!!! Just a guess, of course.
You may want to blame everything except the truth!
I switched parties when Pres Reagen asked us to, his idea was that if we
1. Beleived in national security be a gop’er
2. If you belive in a good economy be a gop’er
3. It is one big tent we may not agree on every social issue but we would be heard. Today we are basically told if we do not talk about religion we are not a conservitive which is bullshit the gop has been hijacked and not only hijacked by the ultra right but the corruption
of those who lost their morals and ethics.
It wll take decades for the gop to regain the confidence of the people.
Ken
I am grinning ear to ear. Like you said, Strata, you’re an engineer,not a politico. Loved seeing all your starry-eyed predictions discredited, as they have no more bearing to reality than your foreign policy and immigration foolishness.
I’ll comment only on yours,above, not on your readers’.
Hispanic issue first. You say we need “guest worker” unassimiables.
I say we need a third (hard Right) party, like the Europeans have because of milquetoasts like you who will always pressure the GOP to compromise Whites into second class citizens in their own country.
Even if the third party never assumes power it will pressure the GOP from the Right not to transform America into Brazil, which your policies would do.
Regards your fears about Democrats anti-Bush actions…
I have no faith in the Democrats to apply the kind of pressure on Bush
and his nefarious coterie which is warranted …not until the Arabs and Moslems tack on a little more hurt if George insists on staying a no-win course. And even under the Democrats, the US is on long term retreat in the Middle East, as the Arab and Moslem-friendly
Russians and Chinese will fill the gap in the US vacuum…a retreat
which will continue as long as the US kowtows to Zionist Lobby
pressure.
You include Muslims along with Hispanics in your admonishment against “insults” but I have yet to notice any criticism from you of the
Bush Middle East Likud Party friendly policy and its Iraq War which
are supreme (and unnecessary) “insults” to Muslims worldwide.
Nor a call from you to force Israel off the West Bank.
You wish to patronize invading Latinos and attack Islam overseas.
The average American doesn’t buy your and Bush’s conflation of the Iraq War with the war on terror and informed Americans realize bin Laden has zero chance of taking over Iraq if Americans exit.
The “missteps” you worry about have already been made: the attack on an unthreatening country and the kowtowing to the Hispanics for cheap labor. America is reaping the whirlwind.
Well folks……Ken could not have said it any clearer…….
White People….No Jews……Lieberstraum…..SEIG HEIL!
“Yes, Rumsfeld is not a young man either. These last years could not have been easy for him. ”
Oh, I bet they haven’t. Neither for him, nor the families of the tens of thousands of dead or crippled soldiers he managed to destroy through his sickening arrogance and fanaticism. The only gratifying part is that he was disposed of like the steaming pile of dogcrap he is. Why did the Simpering Imbecile go out of his way to point out Rummy’s extraordinary competence, loyaltry and patriotism? In the hopes it might deflect just a tiny bit from the fact that the man is such a reviled, poisonous hack, that Bush couldn’t even give him a couple of days after the election to come up with a figleaf of an excuse for being dumped.
Rumsfeld may be the first filthy rat shoved off the sinking ship, but rest assured he’s FAR from the last. There is one particular word Republicans hacks will soon become more familiar with than they ever could have imagined: Subpeona. No, it won’t be used to impeach the Imbecile, just to produce revelations of conspiracies, lies, and dirty tricks with which to humiliate him week afetr week after week. Now the Snarling Savage, THAT’S a different story altogether. Rummy damn well better leave pleanty of room in the lifeboat.
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R.Mutt, I’ve never seen your name here before, but that just may mean you don’t write often. Well, after reading what you wrote, I understand why. No one says that all Dems are traitors. But I will say that most traitors are democrats.
Your comment had very few points that were even valid enough to respond to, but what is this ‘calling someone out’? I would tender a guess that you are about 5 ft 7 inches, 135 lbs and this is your way of feeling ‘like a man’. It doesn’t make anyone admire you, it only makes you look smaller. If you want to look like a man, apologize for that childish remark. That would add a couple inches to your stature.
While you’re on your high horse about James Webb. are you a reader of the smut he writes? Since you believe in civil rights, how do you feel about him saying girls only go to the service academys because they are horny? You feel the same about women?
How do you personally feel about the Dems being in charge of the Senate when they voted to get into Iraq? At what point in the invasion of Normandy would you have run up the white flag? Would you have waited for 3000 casualties or surrendered prior to that? Same about Iwo Jima. Do you realize that in 3 1/2 years in Iraq, less service men have died than died in one morning on 9/11. You at some point have to think America is a noble country.
It sounds like you are a charter member of the ‘blame America’ ‘ America is evil’ crowd. If so, go on over to France where you should be.
ken you are the biggest asshole I have read in years, GO BACK TO THE 60S WHERE YOU BELONG
Ken, I saw your name and thought I would have to say something, but I re-read it and couldn’t find anything worth commenting on.
Ok, Ok, so you’re a racist. But that is passe’ since the ’60’s.
nothing else there worth spending time on. Sorry I read it.
What a train wreck of a thread. Anyone got any popcorn? The first thing you learn as a conservative is,
“you control your own life!”
Republicans got in trouble when they started meddling in peoples lives. Plus, they just plain got greedy and went native.
3000 men and women did not die in vain, we all just demostrated that yesterday with a quiet revolution. Democrats can be capable leaders as well. We shall see. Two years from now we will have another quiet revolution. AJ said it right, we lived through Nixon, Carter and the stakes where a lot higher. That made us ready to accept Reagan! There will be bumps in road there always is; however, look to the future, Our Republic is strong and it will endure.
Seriously anyone got any popcorn? The next two years will be a bloggers heaven!
Veteran’s Day in three days. Dust off the flags. Put those ribbons back up. Say thank you! Drive to the airport. Buy a lunch. Offer a serviceman/woman use of your cell phone before they get on a plane.
Help out the USO. Say thanks. Anyway you can.
Left by Limerick on November 8th, 2006
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Thanks Lim! Needed that. We could all use a dose of this. Permission to post this elsewhere?
Carol
Sure Carol…….have at it!………..
God Bless America. God Bless the Troops!
Same old same old. Hispanics can exhibit ethnic pride and mobilize
it through political organization. Ditto African Americans. If members of the founding ethnic core do it, they are racists living in the 1960s. Passe? Hardly, again, only when we do it. It’s all the vogue for the winners.
Ken, it sure is a good thing you didn’t give up your day job.
Ken your racist bullshit does not wash with history islam has already
tried to rule the world fromm 600AD through 1100AD they were defeated in the french alps. Iran was not a muslim thinking country they were called prussia. As far as isreal is concerned their land is occupied by syria jordan and iraq> ken time for you to go back to school or just go to one of any muslim country and see how much tolrance you will get there (but don’t take your mom sisters or wife)
Squiggler
It get’s better than that. Ever hear about a little drug running operation into Mena, Arkansa, connected to the Iran-Contra operation, while B J Clinton was governor?
Hillary can kiss 08 goodbye!
ama055131, I agree with the sentiment of what you said to Ken. but Prussia was basically northern Germany, not Iran. But your history of the area is right, I think it was Persia. (you wrote such a good comment I hated to have to correct history a little.)
Great post by AJ and excellent comment by Bill in AZ. The power of the media over the American mood and mindset cannot be over-emphasized. We ignore it at our peril.
Yep Hayseed, you’re right. Funny how those little things come out when someone is running for office. Of course that’s been known for a long time and it didn’t hurt Willie any.
Look what came out on Webb in Va and it didn’t hurt him any. Bad things only hurt Repubs because the formerly MSM covers it extensively while they don’t even check into crooked and/or moral imperfections of the dems.
Look at all that stuff on Reid and the formerly MSM didn’t even breathe heavily.(except when they got overheated from all that work sweeping it under the carpet)
Archtop,
Starting a war for oil and to help out your war-profiteering buddies should be fully investigated.
You want a statute of limitations on war crimes?
DaileenAtlanta,
Republican corruption is deeply imbedded. It is who they are.
Also, the Corporate Media is craven to the Left.? The reason must be that the Left is more conciliatory to the needs of corporations than the Right.
Is that what you are trying to say?
ama055131 ,
Agree on Reagan’s contributions and on the harm caused by members of Congress with no standards. But it has been said that: If it weren’t for double standards, the dems would have no standards at all.
Don’t agree on the “need to talk religion to be a conservative” or on any “hyjacking.” Patriots, fiscal conservatives, constitutional originalists, religious humanists and libertarians, all have joined forces to advance a “conservative” ideal. Each argues in his own way.
No Roberto. Actually I want AMNESTY for war crimes. I want BULLDOSER blades and FLAMETHROWERS on every tank. I want GPS ankle tracking devices on every reporter. I want what is right you see. You do see don’t you? Huh?
Sorry LegalEagle,
I wasn’t here today to release your first comment. You should be good to go as long as you don’t put in two or more links.
AJStrata
Home Page.
High Flying Political Debate?
You are a low life… The only high fly you do is whenyou are high on drugs.
I’m conflicted; Some of these people, Ken, Roberto, Mutt, etc,(there are others) they are either very young or very old. I can’t figure it out. They were either born dumb and haven’t aged enuf to outgrow it, or they were born dumb and have only gotten dumber with time.
Like Roberto’s comment about starting a war for oil. Who did that?
Is all Iraqi oil loaded on tankers headed to Pres Bush? Does he get a cut? Why doesn’t he cut production to raise the price?
That statement is just stupid on the face of it, that any moron that says it should be charged a stupidity tax. It should be a crime to be so dumb.
FE
You’re right, except this time around there is going to be those fine folks over at the DU swamp trying to pin it on Bush 41. In fact I can almost guarantee that someone is going to point out that if there was any kind of federal investigation into the activities going on at Mena, the files would have been kept in the Murra Federal Building in OKC.
Let the battle begin.
Legal eagle sorry to leave you off the list, you probably should be number 1 on it. As dumb as your comments were you must’ve actually been taking graduate courses in stupidity, not sure you could’ve gotten so far along on your own.
DaileenAtlanta,
Republican corruption is deeply imbedded. It is who they are.
Also, the Corporate Media is craven to the Left.? The reason must be that the Left is more conciliatory to the needs of corporations than the Right.
Is that what you are trying to say?
Left by Roberto on November 8th, 2006
Now Roberto, and I DO remember you clearly from a couple of months ago, you are just betraying your card-carrying Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist bullshit!
No matter how crooked and corrupt some Republican members of Congress have been, it is the DEMOCRATS, who thru History have been the most Morally and Fiscally Corrupt Party in American Politics!
FACT: ever hear of Tammany Hall, Roberto?
I strongly suggest you are ignorant of American History, and have NOT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
FACT: ever hear of the corrupt Daley “machine” in Chicago? I suspect not!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_J._Daley
FACT: ever hear of the corrupt Huey Long in Louisiana?? I suspect not!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long
FACT: ever hear of the corrupt Congressman from Texas, Lyndon Baines Johnson, later President Johnson, who won his first Congressional Seat with the help of several hundred dead people from the nearby cemetary?
FACT: ever hear of the utterly comtemptible, corrupt, and nepotistic Kennedy family from Massaschucettes? Where is is a historical FACT, that old man Kennedy was not only a bootlegger, but that he got his son, JFK, elected President of the United States, with stolen and dead votes in Ohio, courtesy of the corrupt Democratic Daley machine?
FACT: ever hear of the “Ku Klux Klan” Roberto? Founded by Democrats, and kept in power for a 100 years, because of Democrats?
FACT: ever hear of the 1960’s Civil Rights Legislation, Roberto, opposed and voted against, by over 90% of the Democratic members of Congress?
FACT: ever hear of the corrupt Harry Reid, Senator from Nevada, who’s bogus land deals, and nepotism, make Republicans look like kids in the park!
FACT: ever hear of the un-indicted co-conspirator of the ABSCAM scandal, and Congressman from PA, Jack Murtha, who has steered Government & Military Contracts to dozens of family members, and literally BILLIONS of dollars of Govt money into the pockets of companies run by friends and family in Pennsylvania?
FACT: individual Republican members of both Houses have done bad, and corrupt things!
FACT: the Democratic party, is Morally bankrupt, and has been, almost from it’s inception; and it has pioneered, in American politics, nepotism, corruption, racism, bribery, etc.!
Read ‘er and weep Roberto; your comments betray a Leftist persona, that is completely ignorant of the history of YOUR PARTY!
Roberto,
You need to lose some of the liberal baggage:
1) The War on Terror has as much to do with oil as the Civil War had to do with cotton.
2) The charge, “War crimes” is totally baseless and therefore a projection of what the Dems know they are capable of.
3) Corruption is in the Dems DNA
4) Every independent study has shown the liberal/Dem bias of the MSM which continues to feign objectivity. Therein lies the scandal. The media conglomerates are a tangled web with no conservative values and many leftist operatives.
5) Never forget the harm to our troops by the NYT, CNN, and the Dem turncoats in congress.
Home Page.
You could have come out in your blog and show some class (for a change) in loosing by simply declaring that it was time for some real bypartisanhsip to solve the problems in Iraq. After all we need the entire nation to pull together or else we will loose…. What do you do instead?
Show the kind of sore looser, low life, classless strident extremist you are. You have shown your true colors today. You are not about winning in Iraq, you are about hate, and venom, and division.
You say Osama is happy because the Democrats won. No Mr. “Strata” Osma want’s people like you spilling hate and dividing the nation… Ever heard of divide and you will conquer? You are the divider. Just like Bush with his ” Stay the Course” or” Cut and Run”…. But he was the Uniter not a Divider right?
What a great “leader” ; he tought he could win with only the support of his base and nuts like you…. Last night he (and you) got a not so friendly reminder of who is the real boss around here…. WE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE CENTER.
If you think you will ever win in Iraq, or in Burundia for that matter by inciting hate and division in your own nation…. I have news for you…. The only thing you will get is what you got…. A boot up your ass by the American voters.
You and your low life kind still don’t get it do you? The extremes of the two parties are THE MINORITIES. You have power because the silent majority THE CENTER has been complacent and has not bothered to vote in large numbers for the last few election cycles. You idiots on the Right confused power with legitimization of your extreme ideas…… WRONG. The only thing you did was to piss off the Center, and when you piss of the Center they go to vote…. And that’s when you are put back in your place…. Down the rat hole you came out from.
A WARNING FOR YOUR KIND. If you want your party to be given a one way ticket to Syberia by the American voters in ‘08 just continue with this kind of “Discourse” about the mess and caos that Iraq has become ON YOUR RIGHT WING, NEO-CON ADMINISTRATION. Iraq is a war started by Right Wingers for Right Wingers. The rest of America has grown tired of your shit…. You want to” stay the course” go fight yourself, and take your frieds with you….. Or start talking about real solutions…. America is more than fed up with your kind of “Politics”.
You lost Congress, you lost the Senate it was because of Iraq and Right Wing Corruption, and your reaction is to insult the majority of the American voters by calling them Osama sympathisers? You don’t respect Americans much do you?. That’s OK , America does not respect your kind much either …. That much was clear last night.
Boy, boy the swamp is overflowing. These dems are the angriest people in the world. The win the election and now they go to conservative blogs to pick up fights. Hey, you guys maybe in your new healthcare plan can cover anger management. You need it bad.
Roberto no novelas tonight??? RMutt anyone who feels pride for voting for John Lewis the bigest racist pig in the world. He has been trying to make Atlanta a black racist city for years. Probabably the most corrupt and incompetent city in the south.
Don’t listen to these morons.
Gil, you just moved to the top of the list. You say he doesn’t respect America?
You don’t even respect yourself. Anyone that tries so hard to get to the top of the dumb list, speaks for himself. You made it.
Gil,
I am not a Republican – I am an ex-dem independent. And the whole point of this post was to explain to the Reps they need to reach out to the middle which they obviously lost. I am giving you one warning to clean up you act and act like a guest here or I will show you the door.
Good Doctor, excellent comments. Strange isn’t it. 2 years ago when the dems lost they were the angriest mob in the world.
This time they won, and damn, they’re more angry now than 2 years ago. I have seen very few comments from conservs that were angry, but all the Anti American’s are blowing smoke out their ears.
But go down my dumb list, maybe they don’t even know the truth. They even think America is responsible for 9/11.
Maybe they’ll mature one day.
We can hope.
AMAo55131
Your belief that a Old Testament tribe, since then thoroughly
diluted by non-Semitic conversions of Turko-Mongols, have
claim to present day Syria, Jordan and Iraq exposes you as a
charlatan and an ineffectual racist to boot. Israel’s birthrate pales before the Palestinians and Muslims in general and it is in about the same position to occupy these as what is left of the Iroquois to
retake New York. The average ethnic balance of Palestine
from the time of the Jewish diaspora until 1948, incidentially, was about 35% Jew and 65% Arab, if a fair examination of who
the land belonged to for two thousand years is considered.
Similarly I feel no threat from a Moslem invasion of America–
an invasion I would fight.
The threat of Islam is to the American Empire which Washington
would have abhorred, to that part of it trampling throughout
and lodging bases in Moslem regions.
Ken,
They were predictions. It is a fun exercise. If you don’t try you never learn how to get better! Do you think I am at all concerned I was wrong? That is an interesting assumption on your part. My guess you would be embarrassed if you had made a prediction that was wrong, so that is why you are gloating now! True sign of insecurity.
Ken, most of what you wrote there is just plain crap, but this statement caught my eye:
“Similarly I feel no threat from a Moslem invasion of America–
an invasion I would fight.”
Ken, I have read enuf of your writings to be convinced that if that Moslem were headed for your wife, you would look the other way. ”
You do not strike me as a person with any principles or beliefs worth fighting for.
In fact, going out of your way to be obnoxious on this blog is probably the most confrontational you’ll ever be.
FE,
Wonder what Gil means by ‘your kind’? Think he means us homo sapiens?
Gil,
Thanks for that exhibit of “class.” Speaking for the Left, you showed the real source of rancor in our country.
Well of course we come here to gloat – we just won a real, honest-to-god mandate. It was a whupping and we feel like watching you writhe a bit. Is that hateful? Whatever. We had a president criss-cross this country for two months saying we were cut-and-runners. We had Republicans, and you bloggers, say we were working on the side of Al Quaeda. And worse.
Guess most Americans disagreed. Given the high-tech gerrymandering, given the money disparity (STILL heavily favoring the GOP), given the distortions of the President and the press, a bunch of progressive Democrats (NOT conservative – Webb is the exception, Dewine the rule) came back and thumped your rear ends thoroughly. Hey – the permanent majority is ovr, long live the permanent majority.
Now you’ll find how sweet it is to be in the desert, wandering, seething. You think WE are angry? Hey, you guys are border-line homicidal as it is: a solid ass-whupping followed by the humiliation of Pelosi lecturing you for the next two years is going to be just too much for you to handle. NewsMax has already started the anti-Pelosi hate-fest. You’ll all pile on.
But that’s OK. It’s what losers do.
Ken is gloating because he didn’t have what it took to make a prediction and it worked out to his liking anyhow. I will say tho that Ken is not afraid of being wrong. He hasn’t been right yet.
Even his geography/history lesson above is so full of inaccuracies, he must not’ve even checked google for some simple facts.
hastingspete
Can you imagine why he was saying:
“we were cut-and-runners. We had Republicans, and you bloggers, say we were working on the side of Al Quaeda.”
Could it be because you were and are.? It’s in your DNA.
” And worse.Given the high-tech gerrymandering,”
How is it different now than it’s always been? The party in power in a state has always set the districts.
That long running solid majority in the Senate lasted how long? 4 years. You already forgotten the Dems ran Senate only 4 years ago. They’ll only have it two years again this time also. Look at the seats that’ll be up next time. Ha.
Let’s see, how many years have the Dems had the whitehouse in the last 54 years? 20? You’ll be lucky to have it 20 in the next 54.
Hastingspete,
“a bunch of progressive Democrats ”
You do know what the word progressive, used as you did means don’t you?
When it became unpopular in the late 40’s early 50’s to be a communist, socialist, they insisted on being called progressive so people wouldn’t be as offended. They still are. An anti-American by any name is still an anti-American.
Enforcement.
I am in YOUR dumb list?
If it is in YOUR list you do me honor sir. For as long as I get a Right Winger to insult me I know my comments are hitting the mark, and as usual the only reply (Just like the tone of this blog) is to insult.
You want to win the war insulting the majority of Americans? …. But I am the dumb one!!…. Yeah Right wherever you say.
Enforcement they are angry,miserable people. I used to think Coulter was crazy. She is so right.
Now look at this Ken guy. He can’t gloat, he is spitting pure vile. So here we have Aj,a conservative engineer who obviously enjoys politics make some predictions in HIS OWN BLOG!!! I thought these guys were for free speech…Boy and they are so smart….and Gil so pleasant.
Imagine if they had lost. They probably would have beat us up with baseball bats because we stole the elections.Angry people that’s all.
Gil, you are the one that came here to spew anger. I just pointed that out like good doctor above. I can’t even imagine how angry you would be if you had lost. How many Repubs have you heard calling for recounts and investigations into voter fraud? Zero. How many Dems would’ve been screaming today if they had lost? Millions.
Dems are angrier today than when they lost 2 years ago.
It was intended as an honor to you to top the Dumb list. I realize how much time and effort you have put into acheiving the honor.
And yes I’m sure I’m just as proud of being an American as you are being an anti-American.
Nothing here deserves an answer from you, I’m sure it’s over your head. Congrats.
Response to Ajstrata.
Was it not you that said ” Bin Laden and Zawahiri and all the rest of the goose-stepping Islamo facist are probably beside temselves with glee right now….. The Democrats are coming” ?…. Yes you did!!
This is how you explain to the Republicans how you” reach out to the Middle” ?…… Now wonder you lost the Middle.
My point is YOU don’t get it. The Middle is fed up with division. The only discourse Right Wing Blogs like this bring to the table is a slog- fest of insults and name calling….. To this day I have never seen a serious interchange of ideas as to what would be the best way to get us out of Iraq while installing some kind of Government that can continue without us Baby Sitting into eternity….. You do understand that everithing has a limit don’t you….” Stay the Course” (never a plan but a slogan) has reached it’s limit…. Now since Iraq is in caos by any objective measure, and it happened because of Right Wing desicion making you consider the justified desire for change by the American public as an edorsment for Osama?….. That’s my friend is one hell of a way to read the American mood… Keep it up and you’ll end up in a rethorical Syberia… Trust me on this one.
Why do you call American voters Osama sympathizers (traitors)? and pretend that after doing that, you have not poisoned the atmosphere for a serious discourse. You think that oppening up a blog with a bunch of insults is going to resolve the problems you want resolved?
RE:Enforcement.
I came to this blog to point to the Home Page that if you want to win a war you need to stop dividing the nation. And the first thing you do in order to acomplish that is to sart respecting American Voters.
This blog set the discourse…. I just follow the lead.
You want a serious exchange of ideas about possible solutions…. I am game. But if you open up your post by calling me dumb, or implying I am a traitor (as the Home Page does to all that disagee whith his views) simply because I wanted By-Partisan solutions then don’t be surprised if the globes are off. That’s not the way I want it, that’s the way you “debate”.
You want to debate without name calling or implied name calling you will find me more than receptive….. After all last I checked we were all on the same side… And that side ain’t Osama side.
Gil,it’s Siberia. Why don’t you go there now.
Gil, you said:
“You want a serious exchange of ideas about possible solutions…. I am game. But if you open up your post by calling me dumb, or implying I am a traitor (as the Home Page does to all that disagee whith his views) simply because I wanted By-Partisan solutions then don’t be surprised if the globes are off. That’s not the way I want it, that’s the way you “debate”.”
Well here are excerpts from your very first two posts on this site:
Home Page.
High Flying Political Debate?
Show the kind of sore looser, low life, classless strident extremist you are. You have shown your true colors today. You are not about winning in Iraq, you are about hate, and venom, and division.
he tought he could win with only the support of his base and nuts like you….
You and your low life kind still don’t get it do you?
You idiots on the Right confused power with legitimization of your extreme ideas……
A WARNING FOR YOUR KIND.
Left by gil on November 8th, 2006
sore looser, low life, classless strident extremist
and nuts like you….
You and your low life kind
Yea, you came here real civil and looking for a serious exchange of ideas.
You were highly insulting from your very first post, why would you expect anyone to be ‘friendly’
And you wonder why you top my Dumbest of Dumbasses list?
Gil you said
You want to debate without name calling or implied name calling you will find me more than receptive….. After all last I checked we were all on the same side… And that side ain’t Osama side.
First you started name calling in your first post.
And no I don’t want a debate, I don’t lower myself to debate with dumbasses.
and I ain’t on your side ( you do head up’ America Haters’ don’t you) and I damn sure ain’t on Osama’s side.
hateingspete you are not a reagenite you are the same 30 percent of your party that would only vote pure Dem and act the age of a school
child.
1 ballots to admend ones constitution is the real way to get the pulse of the nation. Now let me check some of these traditionl conservative
ideas
a AZ overwhelming english is the official language
b How many states overwhelmingly marriage between man and women
c CA of all places no tax to the oil companies
I could go on but your brain would not be able to soak it in so I will leave this with you this ,of all the seats won by the Dems from the Rep where 98 percent conservative.
THIS IS PROOF PUDDING THAT NO MANDATE WAS GIVEN YESTERDAY.
I AM AND WILL ALWAYS LIVE WITH REAGANS
last post should have ended REAGANS IDEALS
Enforcment.
Hey!! Take your rabies shot pall!!!
I was going to give you a chance to debate like you have a brain. I was wrong , you don’t have one fine….. OH , and there is no ” No need to lower yourself” for me….. Just look at what happened to Mark Foley! If you have problems on that department I can’t help you there… Call Mark.
Now let me go SLOWWW with you here….. I started with insults in my post in response to the tone set by this blog that calls American voters Traitors right off the bat…. That’s the third time I post this by the way… You just have some retention problems so I understand.
I do not recall your name in my first post but the Home Page’s… You can read right?
I did not call you anithing…. You did. And after every post you upped the name calling.
You are the one that got the boot up your ass last Tuesday Pall !!….. Me, you can call me wherever you like. I voted agains people like you and you know what ….. I won.
Hey this “traitor” is tired of BS with an extremist with no brain…
So I live you with this tought while you try to get the boot out of your ass… A lot of “traitors” that voted for change are going to do just that weather you like it or not, call us names or not… Get it?
After all some one (An adult) has to get you people out of your misery in Iraq….. And really find Osama…. And ask him personally how much money he was paying you Right Wingers for promoting his agenda on holesale Terrorist recruitment.
I am out.
Gil
I am out
You were out to start with, I know you’ll read this. Too much ego not to.
You come here and start name calling on your first post and get called on it and have no defense so you just get more shrill.
Then you pretend you just wanted an intelligent debate. I don’t know why you would, if it were an intelligent one, you wouldn’t be in it. We don’t let the no. 1 on the Dumbass list be in debates, by definition they lost before they got started.
Come back when you graduate Kindergarten.
Can anyone imagine how rabid Gil would be if they had LOST?
Geez
Gil, you can go on back to Kos now, he will stroke your feathers for your preening.
Besides, they allow debates between dumbasses there.
You my dear sir (writer of the above post) are an intellectual boob! If you believe half of the balderdash you write, you could easily qualify as an extremist. You offer no insight into how our beloved American democracy can prosper in the future. You only provide wild fantasies out of the canyons of your diluded mind. You actually believe that your readers are going to buy your sophomoric analysis. They best thing you could do for our beloved nation is shut up until you can learn to embrace the principles of a democratic people. You sound so much like a monarchist! -Kevo
Kevo: MORON, go away!
OH NOES!
Congress has fallen to the evil democrats! Now Bin Laden, must be celebrating with glee! His family (closely associated with the bush family) will finally have a chance to win in their anual turkey cookoff for thanksgiving, and he’ll finally have a witty retort to Bush’s “We’re all going on the rapture and you’re not. Nyah Nyah Nyah!” Not only that, but those evil god hating gay loving crazy pinko commie democrats are going to personally invite him into our country and give him ammunition to strap to our skyscrapers and good little christian babies. Despite the fact that the republicans have started a war on a whole other front, taking troops from afghanistan that could have been used to actually find bin laden (nah! It’s much better if we throw a paltry force at him, not make an effort to rebuild the country he’s hiding in, and get busy making another terrorist hotbed in Iraq; See, that means he’ll just stay hidden out and keep laughing at us instead of bombing us,) the democrats are going to make things even worse by maybe actually LOOKING for him!
And if the terrorists automatically winning isnt bad enough! Those queer homo slutbags are going to undermine us even more! We’ve worked so hard to instill good christian values that our gop leaders represent; beating up out wives, screwing underage vietnam prostitutes in saipan with jack A and then forcing them to have abortions ( I’m not making that last bit up), and screwing around with young boi’s while we loudly proclaim “GAYS R BAD! NO MARRY!”
It’s a wonder if our great nation with survive if they peacefully marry, raise children, and mind their own business! I mean! what better advertisement is there to be gay! Our children will be flocking to be gay in droves! It will be just like Sodom and Gommorah! No longer will our studly young sons go off and screw teenage girls, and then leave them floundering on their own with an unwanted pregnancy while they repeat the process! The SHAME OF IT! Rush Limbaughs fourth failing marriage will loose all sanctity!
Holy crap! Teh Spanishededs are going to start invading in DROVES now! No longer will they be satisfied with doing the crappiest jobs in the nation! No! Now they will want to do more than picking strawberries at 2.50 an hour for 12 hours in 100 degree heat! They’re going to come after our hard earned white color jobs! The good old GOP has worked hard to move all of our manufacturing across sea’s, so the average american doesnt have to dirty his hands with that anymore. I mean, look at the bangup job that Jack A did in Saipan! Nearly every major US clothing manufacturer moved it’s factories there to take advantage of the $1.50 an hour wages made by imported south east asian workers, and still it’s AMERICAN SOIL! Good ol america! I mean! Seriously! When you walk into your bank soon, you’ll have to learn how to speak dirty mexican talk just to make a withdrawl! It’s sickening! We’re going to be going straight back to the pope and those lazy mexicans will have control of EVERYTHING!
Well Crap….guess the middle class is gonna be on the rise again! We were trying to hard to make Bush fabulously rich, and Cheney for that matter, that we forgot those evil Dems were gonna sneak up right behind us and demand ACCOUNTABILITY in the government. Makes me sick to my stomach. Now we’re going to have to sit back and watch as every single one of Bush’s hypocritical, evil, backstabbing, self serving, and two faced scandals are brought to air before the public. Is rather sad we’re going to get a taste of our own medicine. The american people really don’t deserve it.
If ol Lincoln could see how badly us WASP’s are gonna have it now, he’d be rolling over in his grave.