Nov 14 2006
Iran Is Not A Potential Ally
I know PM Blair and others are opening up the discussion to possible alternatives to the Iraq and ME solution – to look at options that are more engagement oriented. But let’s not get unrealistic, like we did in the 1990’s when we dismissed the ferocity coming from the Saudi Madrassa’s and we felt the effects of Al Qaeda’s Jihad. Iran, as it is currently constituted, is not a potential ally.
IRAN is trying to form an alliance with al-Qaeda by grooming a new generation of leaders to take over from Osama bin Laden, Western intelligence officials say.
The Iranians were determined to take advantage of bin Laden’s reportedly declining health from kidney disease to promote senior officials known to be friendly to Tehran, the officials said.
The revelation could be a blow to Tony Blair’s hopes of establishing what he termed a “new partnership” with Tehran.
Iran has marshalled much of its energy to the destruction of the West and Israel. Their only issue with Al Qaeda seems to be jealousy. Tehran is not just giving aid and comfort to our enemies – they are allied with them in common cause.
The Iranians were training al-Qaeda fighters at centres previously used by other Islamic militant groups, such as the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, the officials claimed.
“From the evidence we have seen, Iran’s links to al-Qaeda go far deeper than simply supplying them with equipment,” a Western intelligence official said.
Those who think Bush was being too optimistic with Iraq have yet to accept they were being so optimistic that there were any other options out there. This is where you end up when you support a phased retreat in Iraq. And how will Iran (a Persian country) make alliance with Al Qaeda (an Arab movement)? The Persians will offer the Arabs a country of their own – right next door. The only plans Iran has for Iraq (minus a few oil fields in the South) is to give it to Al Qaeda. Dafydd at Big Lizards has a great round up on why Iran will not be an ally and how a phased retreat is not an option under Bush.
Update: Even Iran finds the entire concept ridiculous. In fairness to Blair, he was attempting to offer a carrot stick, not the panacea the liberal media misunderstood and ran with – sure sign of why listening to the media on important issues (like who to elect) is not a good idea.
I think all Blair was saying is, if Iran would quit supporting terrorists and stop building nukes, he could see working with them. All the formerly MSM saw in it, of course, was that Blair is ready to surrender and he is the smart one after all, and this dumb guy we have over here just hasn’t seen it that way yet.
Even I coud believe that if all those ‘ifs’ came to pass, maybe, but it’ll never happen
Now, it’s all about OIL! And, it’s an 80/20 fight between two goon squads. The 80% are the saudis. And, the 20% are the shi’a. Which is a “mixed bag” of iranians, and iraqi’s 40% of shi’a. (Who never held power.)
However, it’s worth noting that the iraqi’s have moved 10% of their sunni/baathist CRAP out of the country! (While our media focusses attention on the riff-raff Shi’a; there is a middle-class in Iraq, too!)
The pictures are designed to scare ya.
While most Americans could care less about the goons fighting each other. And, I agree. It’s on par of the savagry that goes on between the Bloods and Crips.
HOWEVER, now with James Baker out front, Bush is showing you his cards. He’s favoring the SAUDI’s. (Plus, the saudi’s are really on the ropes!) They have the media. They have europe. But what’s europe these days? And, why are we in the grips of the french, here? Condi’s “pleasuring” I don’t think impresses most Americans.)
And, I think Bush just threw himself up on the ropes!
Can Jack Murtha become the clown of the botoxed cow? REALLY? Did you know that in the past the HOUSE speaker had the brains of letting the chairs be filled by the people who need to get elected, again? And, not by the IOU’s drawn up with the 527’s?
We’re about to see a food fight.
And, the biggest part of the problem? Has been Bush, himself. Playing with the saudis. This summer? He tried to get Israel to hand the saudi’s syria. (HE FAILED!) Which like a bad doctor, just makes the patient WORSE.
But Olmert prevailed.
And, James Baker has drawn down Bush’s political capital. I’m not so sure he’s “won the bet,” though. And, there’s a lot of power, now, floating around, to be grabbed at by an ambitious man. While we just misread what outcomes are gonna happen, ahead.
First off, the military is NOT going to go OUT of Iraq.
And, even if our election makes our enemies think that the propaganda war produced “results.” The truth was always that Bush was a Saudi “king maker.” And, I think this just about wraps up the “bush legacy.”
While I don’t know who will emerge to save this country from “that” crap. It remains to be seen. Jimmy Carter never won much. He also represents the same swamp.
Blair never said that we could be alies with Iran. What he said was that if they laid off Iraq and backed off the nukes they could join the world community. The press is trying to make it something else. But he was quite tough in his last speech about Iran and nothing has changed.
Strat and his acolytes should understand one thing: Iran is in the driver’s seat and Blair is only groping about for an extrication from Iraq’s morass he poodled the UK into . Ditto any interplay with another driver, Syria and Assad.
Does anybody seriously think that Iran, even if they signed a treaty, would live up to it? No, it would be just to buy them time. Blair and the dems are idiots for thinking Iran would uphold any treaty. We can’t trust these people. All we have to do is listen to them to know this. They would use this as a buying time tool. As soon as it was convenient for them they would break their word just like North Korea did. Two of a kind or birds of a feather or whatever.
I just wish that people would actually read what Blair said rather than believing some one liner they saw in a headline somewhere and then bitching about it for days. By the time they realize they were wrong, if they ever do the whole thing will be blown completely out of proportion.
Blair never offered anyone any carrots. He said that if they did certain things then they could join the world community, if not they would be completely isolated. Things are difficult enough without people doing the usual and going off the deep end.
Ken, if you have your way Iran could finish the job Hitler started with your blessings so what is your point? You would never support doing anything to stop Iran so what are you complaining about? Iran is in the drivers seat only if the United States decides not to let loose with a couple of our nuclear submarines. The question is not if we can destroy that country, but will we.
Terrye
Russia and China have an effective veto over the nuke option; world trade and resources necessitate it on their part. But duly noted
is your propensity for mass killing in the name of “democracy.”
Ken your reading comp is getting worse. No where did Terrye say she favored mass killing.
You need another helping of tacks to get you sharpened up a little
Ken only sees what he wants to see. He twists others’ posts to suit himself and then has the gall to quote his misdirection back to us. I don’t know his reason for being on this site but sometimes he is good for a few laughs.
A new UN report notes that Iran has been backing the Islamic Courts in Somalia. A paragraph (according to the BBC report) notes that Iran has been asking around about getting uranium in exchange for arms and other support.
A quick Google search shows that uranium is the most valuable mineral resource in Somalia. So … it would appear that the battle in Somalia has a more strategic angle and Iran is right in the middle of it.
A new UN report notes that Iran has been backing the Islamic Courts in Somalia. A paragraph (according to the BBC report) notes that Iran has been asking around about getting uranium in exchange for arms and other support.
A quick Google search shows that uranium is the most valuable mineral resource in Somalia. So it would appear that the battle in Somalia has a more strategic angle and Iran is right in the middle of it.
So word comes out today according to the BBC that Iran has been arming the Islamic Courts in Somalia. Looking closer it is noted that the Iranians have been wanting uranium in exchange for support. A quick web search shows uranium is the most important mineral resource in Somalia.
Hmmm.
For Enforcement
“Destroying a country” is mass killing….like Dresden, Hiroshima,Nagasaki. Like I said, Russia and China won’t allow it,
so you warmongers need not adrenalize yourselves.
I don’t know that Russia and China would do anything drastic if we bombed Iran. They did nothing when we invaded Iraq even they opposed it. I know I said the opposite before but have since changed my mind. However, I still think North Korea is a different story in regards to China. China does not want us to invade anything in their vicinity.
We are going to have to do something about Iran. All this bombasity is unacceptable. We are sitting ducks for this regime and they are running rings around us. Whatever happened to the days when another country threatened our country it was considered an act of war. If Iran ever gets the bomb we will have a nuclear war. This should give all the countries of the world pause.