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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-2#comment-26125</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara

The Europeans, conservative and liberal, generally rightly regard America as a nation purveying a &quot;least common denominator/mass&quot;
culture with undue emphasis on personal profit at the expense
of family, amd of quality (McDonald&#039;s could have never sprung up
in France for example) .

Europeans test higher in knowledge about the world, eg
its geography, its political systems,its varying philosophies.
Even European countries with a reputation as decadent
(Holland and Sweden for example) have stronger family units
than America.

You are simply a comparatively uneducated, naeive Europhobe of the type which Europeans understand allows their government to intrude clumsily and dangerously throughout the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara</p>
<p>The Europeans, conservative and liberal, generally rightly regard America as a nation purveying a &#8220;least common denominator/mass&#8221;<br />
culture with undue emphasis on personal profit at the expense<br />
of family, amd of quality (McDonald&#8217;s could have never sprung up<br />
in France for example) .</p>
<p>Europeans test higher in knowledge about the world, eg<br />
its geography, its political systems,its varying philosophies.<br />
Even European countries with a reputation as decadent<br />
(Holland and Sweden for example) have stronger family units<br />
than America.</p>
<p>You are simply a comparatively uneducated, naeive Europhobe of the type which Europeans understand allows their government to intrude clumsily and dangerously throughout the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-2#comment-26122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Churchill was an influential politician of the &quot;no compromise with Hitler crowd&quot; then an &quot;unconditional surrender&quot; demander.

Throughout his political career he made speeches asserting that if England warred with Germany it would not be at the cost of the loss of its Empire. Hitler of course made no secret of his Anglophile
leanings and opposed the &quot;Left&quot; in his Party which argued for 
a permanent alignment with the Soviet Union against the &quot;decadent
UK&quot; (it was, it needed America to bail it out) These latter openly
called for a politics which would help reduce British influence
throughout the world. Hitler though admired the Empire and
considered the Brits racial kinsmen who should keep it.

The UK had a strong political contingent, right and left ,calling for
compromise with Germany which in retrospect would have helped
maintain their power in Egypt and India for example.

Churchill &#039;s anti-German biases harmed England, harmed
Europe, harmed Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churchill was an influential politician of the &#8220;no compromise with Hitler crowd&#8221; then an &#8220;unconditional surrender&#8221; demander.</p>
<p>Throughout his political career he made speeches asserting that if England warred with Germany it would not be at the cost of the loss of its Empire. Hitler of course made no secret of his Anglophile<br />
leanings and opposed the &#8220;Left&#8221; in his Party which argued for<br />
a permanent alignment with the Soviet Union against the &#8220;decadent<br />
UK&#8221; (it was, it needed America to bail it out) These latter openly<br />
called for a politics which would help reduce British influence<br />
throughout the world. Hitler though admired the Empire and<br />
considered the Brits racial kinsmen who should keep it.</p>
<p>The UK had a strong political contingent, right and left ,calling for<br />
compromise with Germany which in retrospect would have helped<br />
maintain their power in Egypt and India for example.</p>
<p>Churchill &#8216;s anti-German biases harmed England, harmed<br />
Europe, harmed Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-2#comment-26027</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken

I know this is a lost cause, but I will try one more time.  The Europeans don&#039;t like us because they are jealous of our power and wealth.  They are none of them and I repeat none of them afraid we will invade their countries.  When they need us to save them they will come to us again knowing we will do our best to help them.  And if you ask any of the Europeans if they would like to come to the US to live they would jump at the chance. 

I have never heard of anyone so down on the US and it policies as you are.  Do you like anything about this country?

And please, please, I beg of you, quit quoting the Guardian (bastion of the leftist world)..  They are worse than the NYT.  Can I be more insulting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken</p>
<p>I know this is a lost cause, but I will try one more time.  The Europeans don&#8217;t like us because they are jealous of our power and wealth.  They are none of them and I repeat none of them afraid we will invade their countries.  When they need us to save them they will come to us again knowing we will do our best to help them.  And if you ask any of the Europeans if they would like to come to the US to live they would jump at the chance. </p>
<p>I have never heard of anyone so down on the US and it policies as you are.  Do you like anything about this country?</p>
<p>And please, please, I beg of you, quit quoting the Guardian (bastion of the leftist world)..  They are worse than the NYT.  Can I be more insulting?</p>
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		<title>By: For Enforcement</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-2#comment-26020</link>
		<dc:creator>For Enforcement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, to save you a little time, Churchill was prime minister two times and the dates are:
may 40-  july 45  and       10/51- 4/55

So just a quickie list of Empire members that bailed out during those two periods would be fine&gt;     Happy hunting.

Actually you probably have a complete list in your head, so just jot em down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, to save you a little time, Churchill was prime minister two times and the dates are:<br />
may 40-  july 45  and       10/51- 4/55</p>
<p>So just a quickie list of Empire members that bailed out during those two periods would be fine&gt;     Happy hunting.</p>
<p>Actually you probably have a complete list in your head, so just jot em down.</p>
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		<title>By: For Enforcement</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-1#comment-26018</link>
		<dc:creator>For Enforcement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,  you said:&quot;Churchill lost the British Empire&quot;

would you please list the countries that were in the British Empire when Churchill took office that were not still in it when he left office?

See, I don&#039;t think you know what you are talking about.  So, list &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,  you said:&#8221;Churchill lost the British Empire&#8221;</p>
<p>would you please list the countries that were in the British Empire when Churchill took office that were not still in it when he left office?</p>
<p>See, I don&#8217;t think you know what you are talking about.  So, list &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Wake up America</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-1#comment-26004</link>
		<dc:creator>Wake up America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Congressional Casualties via the Military...&lt;/strong&gt;

How DARE she or any other politician think they &quot;know more&quot; about military operations than those that are on the ground, those that talk to the soldiers IN Iraq????
One has to wonder if Hillary has any clue as to what an ass she sounded like and how...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Congressional Casualties via the Military&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>How DARE she or any other politician think they &#8220;know more&#8221; about military operations than those that are on the ground, those that talk to the soldiers IN Iraq????<br />
One has to wonder if Hillary has any clue as to what an ass she sounded like and how&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cobalt Shiva</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-1#comment-25991</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobalt Shiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;A private who talks out of line in Iraq gets used for fodder
on dangeorus missions.&lt;/I&gt;

BRAVO SIERRA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A private who talks out of line in Iraq gets used for fodder<br />
on dangeorus missions.</i></p>
<p>BRAVO SIERRA</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-1#comment-25970</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

We can all read.  No need to give a recount!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>We can all read.  No need to give a recount!</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2958/comment-page-1#comment-25961</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strata----- links to a Guardian piece which says Bush is &quot;in a state of denial about Iraq&quot; then outlines a several point plan which shows Bush would not &quot;succeed&quot; in Iraq even on the outside chance it
would be implemented successfully, as it infers &quot;axis of evil&quot; member Iran holds key cards Bush never intended it to have at the outset!

Meaning AJ is in that state of denial along with dear leader. And having taken his measure on Bush, I seriously doubt Strata would admit Bush failed  if the time period purportedly given Bush ended in failure which it will.

AMA055131

Bush never wavers? Sistani made Bush waver on the limited
caucas style phony election process Bush intended initially
for Iraq which would have left it as a US puppet state.And we
do not have a great economy but one which has continued to
replace good jobs with service industry jobs.

Karig

A private who talks out  of line in Iraq gets used for fodder
on dangeorus missions. All anti-war soldier bloggers were
shut down two years ago. Orders were given by superiors not
to question the war effort. Most troops are ensconced in safe
quarters and rarely see the real anarchial Iraq. Still , multitudes
attend Murtha  rallies.

Flopping Aces

Churchill lost the British Empire, the US picked up, unfortunately,
much of its slack.
Bush brought foreign insurgents TO Iraq and the insurgency has
only grown numerically in three and a half years. Then again,
America hasn&#039;t tamed the streets of its own lawless metropoli
yet.

Barbara
We are already worse than the laughing stock of the world, we have
been voted the most dangerous nation in the world, the second
most dangerous being our albatross &quot;ally,&quot;  Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strata&#8212;&#8211; links to a Guardian piece which says Bush is &#8220;in a state of denial about Iraq&#8221; then outlines a several point plan which shows Bush would not &#8220;succeed&#8221; in Iraq even on the outside chance it<br />
would be implemented successfully, as it infers &#8220;axis of evil&#8221; member Iran holds key cards Bush never intended it to have at the outset!</p>
<p>Meaning AJ is in that state of denial along with dear leader. And having taken his measure on Bush, I seriously doubt Strata would admit Bush failed  if the time period purportedly given Bush ended in failure which it will.</p>
<p>AMA055131</p>
<p>Bush never wavers? Sistani made Bush waver on the limited<br />
caucas style phony election process Bush intended initially<br />
for Iraq which would have left it as a US puppet state.And we<br />
do not have a great economy but one which has continued to<br />
replace good jobs with service industry jobs.</p>
<p>Karig</p>
<p>A private who talks out  of line in Iraq gets used for fodder<br />
on dangeorus missions. All anti-war soldier bloggers were<br />
shut down two years ago. Orders were given by superiors not<br />
to question the war effort. Most troops are ensconced in safe<br />
quarters and rarely see the real anarchial Iraq. Still , multitudes<br />
attend Murtha  rallies.</p>
<p>Flopping Aces</p>
<p>Churchill lost the British Empire, the US picked up, unfortunately,<br />
much of its slack.<br />
Bush brought foreign insurgents TO Iraq and the insurgency has<br />
only grown numerically in three and a half years. Then again,<br />
America hasn&#8217;t tamed the streets of its own lawless metropoli<br />
yet.</p>
<p>Barbara<br />
We are already worse than the laughing stock of the world, we have<br />
been voted the most dangerous nation in the world, the second<br />
most dangerous being our albatross &#8220;ally,&#8221;  Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: semperfiaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>semperfiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara- same with me as with AJ; I vote. I do not consider not voting to be an option. I voted for Bush, but have grown tired of casting my votes reluctantly for the lesser of two evils. I would never so much as consider voting for a democrat. But I see on this and other sites the same game being played- how to fix the GOP, with the same rehashed names mentioned as options. Again, the answer is coming up with other viable options, and throwing all of these self serving bums out on their asses, before they and their one or the other games get us all killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara- same with me as with AJ; I vote. I do not consider not voting to be an option. I voted for Bush, but have grown tired of casting my votes reluctantly for the lesser of two evils. I would never so much as consider voting for a democrat. But I see on this and other sites the same game being played- how to fix the GOP, with the same rehashed names mentioned as options. Again, the answer is coming up with other viable options, and throwing all of these self serving bums out on their asses, before they and their one or the other games get us all killed.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Barbara - I vote!  I just don\&#039;t align my good name with either party.

;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara &#8211; I vote!  I just don\&#8217;t align my good name with either party.</p>
<p> <img src='http://strata-sphere.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with  most of the posts above, but what&#039;s the use of being an independent if you refuse to vote for one party or the other. You might as well join the party most like your ideals.  In my case I do not like some of  the agenda of the republicans but dislike all the agenda of the democrats.  I joined the repubican party strictly to have a say in the primaries.  And that did not work because my congresswoman holds the same ideals I do.  I agree with her on just about everything except the Dubai port deal.  She was too shrill about that. 

Bush will go down in history as the president who succeeded in portecting this country  from its most dangerous enemies in spite of the overwelming obstacles put in his path by his opponents.    Lincoln is regarded as one of our greatest presidents but he was extremely unpopular during the civil war.  And remember the country&#039;s attitude about Harry Truman.  Everyone felt he was ineffective after Roosevelt and feared he was not strong enough to win the war.  The press kept calling him &quot;that haberdasher from Missouri&quot;.
 
We must win in Iraq and we must do something about Iran and North Korea.  These nut jobs cannot be allowed to have nukes.  They are a danger to world.  We need to be more aggressive in Iraq and finish this job quickly.  If we fail in this endeavor we will lose more than just a small war.  We will become the laughing stock of the whole world.  I do not understand why the democrats do not understand this.  And another thing is in my opinion we have given the media permission to control our actions.  We have given them too much power and they have abused it for their own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with  most of the posts above, but what&#8217;s the use of being an independent if you refuse to vote for one party or the other. You might as well join the party most like your ideals.  In my case I do not like some of  the agenda of the republicans but dislike all the agenda of the democrats.  I joined the repubican party strictly to have a say in the primaries.  And that did not work because my congresswoman holds the same ideals I do.  I agree with her on just about everything except the Dubai port deal.  She was too shrill about that. </p>
<p>Bush will go down in history as the president who succeeded in portecting this country  from its most dangerous enemies in spite of the overwelming obstacles put in his path by his opponents.    Lincoln is regarded as one of our greatest presidents but he was extremely unpopular during the civil war.  And remember the country&#8217;s attitude about Harry Truman.  Everyone felt he was ineffective after Roosevelt and feared he was not strong enough to win the war.  The press kept calling him &#8220;that haberdasher from Missouri&#8221;.</p>
<p>We must win in Iraq and we must do something about Iran and North Korea.  These nut jobs cannot be allowed to have nukes.  They are a danger to world.  We need to be more aggressive in Iraq and finish this job quickly.  If we fail in this endeavor we will lose more than just a small war.  We will become the laughing stock of the whole world.  I do not understand why the democrats do not understand this.  And another thing is in my opinion we have given the media permission to control our actions.  We have given them too much power and they have abused it for their own agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Drawing That Line In The Sand...&lt;/strong&gt;

We have a bunch of Neville Chamberlainâ€™s and not enough Winston Churchhillâ€™s in this argument. Churchill understood you could not negotiate with evil. You cannot negotiate with those who wish to make you submit or die as the terrorists inside Iraq ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Drawing That Line In The Sand&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>We have a bunch of Neville Chamberlainâ€™s and not enough Winston Churchhillâ€™s in this argument. Churchill understood you could not negotiate with evil. You cannot negotiate with those who wish to make you submit or die as the terrorists inside Iraq &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: semperfiaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>semperfiaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect a lot of you are setting yourselves up for a letdown by pinning your hopes on one or two individuals. Leiberman seems to have been anointed as the conservative savior, despite being liberal on nearly every  subject other than Iraq. By the way, remember during the 2000 elections when the Gore/Leiberman ticket attempted to get the votes of service members nullified? That was that Joe Leiberman, right?
As to Bush, he has repeatedly failed to make the case in Iraq, despite having the bully puppet and every other advantage in the debate.
Bottom line, folks- I&#039;m independant. I have no use for either party, and firmly believe that nothing gets better for this country until a viable 3rd party and/or 3rd party candidate becomes a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect a lot of you are setting yourselves up for a letdown by pinning your hopes on one or two individuals. Leiberman seems to have been anointed as the conservative savior, despite being liberal on nearly every  subject other than Iraq. By the way, remember during the 2000 elections when the Gore/Leiberman ticket attempted to get the votes of service members nullified? That was that Joe Leiberman, right?<br />
As to Bush, he has repeatedly failed to make the case in Iraq, despite having the bully puppet and every other advantage in the debate.<br />
Bottom line, folks- I&#8217;m independant. I have no use for either party, and firmly believe that nothing gets better for this country until a viable 3rd party and/or 3rd party candidate becomes a reality.</p>
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		<title>By: sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you,AJ,andeveryone else for reaffirming my beliefs.President Bush is a good man and a strong President who has had to stand up to adversity practically alone. Two weeks ago he was a talk show icon;now he and Carl Rove are responsible for the loss of Congress.THE REUBLICANS LOST CONGRESS ALL BY THEMSELVES. Furthermore, if they don&#039;t wise up,it&#039;s going to happen again!I will support this President,because I believe in him. I no longer feel a part of the Republican party.Thank you for allowing me to vent---on only one cup of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you,AJ,andeveryone else for reaffirming my beliefs.President Bush is a good man and a strong President who has had to stand up to adversity practically alone. Two weeks ago he was a talk show icon;now he and Carl Rove are responsible for the loss of Congress.THE REUBLICANS LOST CONGRESS ALL BY THEMSELVES. Furthermore, if they don&#8217;t wise up,it&#8217;s going to happen again!I will support this President,because I believe in him. I no longer feel a part of the Republican party.Thank you for allowing me to vent&#8212;on only one cup of coffee.</p>
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