Gigworld, you are right except why call alSadr a nut job? He’s no more a nut job than the US “evangelicals” who side with Israel
and order their parishoners only to vote for politicians who support the Israeli Right Wing, which in turn helped bring us into the quagmire in Iraq. The no-win quagmire, despite the maunderings of the siteowner and his acolytes.

“They have a history of being a well educated country. ” True. And what the so-called “Liberal, anti-war” US media does not tell you everyday is that the well educated people are leaving or have been killed. The intelligencia (doctors, teachers, etc) are targets of both Shia militias, Sunni insurgents, and fundamentalists of both.

“Iraq will look nothing at all like Palestine. Ever. The Palestinians have traditionally been farmers and sheapards and they can’t stop shooting long enough to create a service economy or a decent educational system. ” WTF? And all the Palestinians who go to college all over the world, even in the US? Palestinians are so much more educated than most all other Arabs. Your comment is so wrong. Have you ever met any Palestinians? In say, Silicon Valley? Or Israel? Or Lebanon? Or Jordon? Or Europe?

“Iraq has a long entrepeneurial history, technical universities, medical schools, etc. Thier identity is not defined by a fight the way the Palestinian identity is.” Um…Palestinian’s identity is defined by having lived in the occupied territories, or from being decendants of people born in Palestine.

“Once the Iraqi people turn on the insurgents, we see the begining of the end. I believe what we are seeing right now is a last gasp to create mayhem in order to give the Democrats the justification they need to pull out. If we abandon the Iraqis, yeah, the next government might be hostile toward us. ”

Right now, the majority of killing in Iraq is Sunni versus Shia (and vice versa). The government of Iraq is currently hostile to us in its rhetoric. They are also opennly anti-Israel and anti-Jew.

By the way, why compare a guerrila war against insurgents that (which is devolving into full-blown civil war) with the Battle of the Bulge…a positional set-piece battle fought between two standing armies? Does not make sense to me.

Since you believe that “victory” can be achieved in Iraq please answer these questions.

As you know there are aproximately 350,000 Iraqi soldiers now in a position to help us correct?

The Prime Minister of Iraq, Al Malaki urgently needs to start disarming the Al Sadr Shiite Militias …. So now here’s the question…

How comes that Al-Malaki IS NOT DISARMING the Shiite militias?

Is rather simple my friend. Let’s find out once and for all to whom does Al-Malaki owes allegiance…. The good old U.S.A. ….. Or The Nut Cleric Al Sadr and his tens of thousands of Shiite militias.
I’ll give you a hint on this one… Al-Malaki is Prime Minister because he has the support of Al Sadr.

And that takes me to one more question for you…. Say again how do you accomplish “victory”? …. By supporting Al-Malaki’s Government that is supported by a bunch of mad clerics like Al Sadr… Is that your victory Sir?

Good man .. Our soldiers … Die every day so that we can support a Government that is backed by a nut Shiite cleric allied with Iran!!! Not true Sir? … Like I said, is easy to find out… All we need to do is ask Al-Malaki to start disarming Al Sadr militias if he does then we stay, if he does not we would be fools to stay. .. For we would only be giving our blod and treasure so that the Iranians can inherit Iraq.

By the way your long blog about Ramadi was very illustrative as to what lengts some people will go to avoid reality. The battle for Iraq Sir, is in Bagdhad not in Ramadi. Ramadi is at best a side show. … And we are loosing in Ramadi also hopes aside, and desperation from locals aside.

From these 1300, Strata has sustained a popular neocon website
pretending they are the chief problem in Iraq and prepared to takeover America if “the Democrats hand over Iraq to al Qaeda.”

Of course the Hayden story, as scores of others since 2003 of similar
data, are of little use to Strata’s hype factory so he ignored them all.

“Sometimes I want to slap you defeatists upside your head”

If your definition of “defeatist” is any one that agrees that we should change course in what is obviously a quagmire from hell , then I am afraid you are going to loose your hand with all the slapping.

Me…. I would just want to slap the hell out of Bush and the 10 or so Neo-Cons that put us in Iraq in the first place.

Since you are not in Iraq, and you don’t take advise from any expert… From where do you get your so called “facts”…. The Ouija board?

IÂ’m here to announce the creation of a new Islamic state within Iraq. The borders of which extend all the way to the four corners of this room.

But just effing look at me. This place is crawling with American and Iraqi troops, so much so that I ha….

The people of Ramadi are especially upset that al-Qaeda seeks to use their city as their capital. Our army is helping Iraqi Sunnis to root out and kill al-QaedaÂ’s dream state. IÂ’ve been waiting for us to rebuke al-QaedaÂ’s claims,……

Back to kindeegarten for you. The native Sunnis who don’t like
al Qaeda don’t like us any better. The native Shia who don’t like
al Qaeda and don’t like Sunni nationalists don’t like us either.

What Iraq has in commin with Palestine is this: you couldn’t find
enough America-friendly Arabs in either locale to form a
provincial council let alone a national government. The elected
Iraqi officials “in power” right now do not like us. They are
pro-Iranian admirers of Hezbollah.

Once you get all this straight apply for graduation into the first grade.

Sometimes I want to slap you defeatists upside your head.

Bookmark to:
……

If all Kissinger is saying is Iraq will be righted by the Iraqis with our help and not by us alone all I can say is “duh!”. Wonder when the epiphany hit him?

Terrye, kind of like Goldwater. At one time I admired both men, but then senility set in.

……

The Wild West was settled when the people living there got fed with the outlaws running the place and began to lay down some rules. The Iraqis have to live with all this. We see and hear the reports of violence, but there are 26 million people in that country and obviously the overwhelming majority are not part of the violence. When they get fed up enough they will stand up to the outlaws.