Dec 15 2006
Lugovoi Definitely Berezovsky Ally
I was going to add this in a long line of comments to answer someone’s question, and decided to make a post for everyone to find. Lugovoi was definitely an ally of Berezovsky’s – so the assassination theory seems a little more stretched than it was before. And it explains why Goldfarb first tried to divert suspicion from Lugovoi. Now that Lugovoi is a participating witness (prossibly under a plea agreement) Berezvosky’s mouth piece is having to change tactics. Looks like everyman is now out for themselves in a battle that could put someone away for life. I am wondering more and more whether the Litvinenko incident and the spat of killings is really the preparation for some kind of coup d’etat in Russia.
I think the problem many of you have is how much of Russia is still run by organised crime – the legacy of Yeltsin and the Oligarchs.
Have you any idea of the number of people who were hit who stood too close to Berezovsky? Do you know of his dealings with AvtoVaz? Nearly 500 associates of that firm were rubbed out in one way or another.
There’s a saying in Russia, ‘a fish dies from its head’. To combat organised crime, Putin has gone after the heads – the Godfathers – like Khordokovsky and Berekovsky. Read Paul Klebnikov’s book.
I’m seeing a definite pattern of anyone asking questions about, or making inquiries into that Chechen bombing is ending up dead. There are literally almost a dozen confirmed deaths of anyone snooping into this event.
And Litvinenko was right in the middle of it.
And he has NO criminal history save for the Russian PR machine that intended to make him appear criminal so that when they assassinated him, it would not appear out of the ordinary for a “criminal”.
He was murdered by the FSB, no doubt in my mind. Of course Putin knew about it – he lnows about the Kremlin’s involvement in those bombings, and he knows there is a agenda to shut up anyone that seeks to find the truth. They murdered him in the UK to prove that they can, they will, and whoever wants to keep the “Kremlin” bombing flame lit – is next.
Now all we need to find out is if L & K are part of the FSB strike force. I still think the assassins of Anna are involved in this. They know who their targets are because they have a list. And I still think a woman posioned Sasha. He was suspicious of men – as witnessed by him turning in two FSB agents in 2003 –
This has absolutely nothing to do with radioactive smuggling. That is a strawman to make Sasha look as bad as they possibly can.
This is just plain old Russian revenge. Age old method of operation to eliminate your critics with a poison pill.
If Putin has “gone after the heads” it was only to replace them with new ones from the KGB, copydude.
Yes, Enlightened. I am in total agreement with you.
Interestingly enough – two FSB agents turned on Litvineko in absentia on trumped up doctored charges – to help convict him in absentia.
“The second court session on Wednesday was held behind closed doors. The court questioned two witnesses, former colleagues of Litvinenko from the FSB’s directorate for combating organized crime, Viktor Shebalin and Nikolai Borisov. Both testified against Litvinenko”
The FSB was absolutely desperate to give Sasha his just rewards. It so obvious it’s laughable.
http://www.gazeta.ru/2002/05/30/FSBinahurryt.shtml
You’re not buying CopyDude’s argument that Litvinenko was a nothing of no-interest to the FSB or Putin?
Nice to see another person not easily mind -F%^&ed.
“I suppose of Kasparov gets murdered for opposing him, the Russian flaks, added by know-nothings in the Wesr will start rumors that he was smuggling cocaine in his chess sets or something.”
IMHO thanks to Clarice this Russophile vs. Russophobes rumblings are becoming more general and more entertaining then plain vanilla “poloniada” addicted conspiracy theorists gathering which became a little bit boring after two weeks or so.
We should open new thread: “Is Kasparov next ” 🙂
The thing I remember is Putin’s non-sequitur-protest regarding Sasha’s death, when asked at a public event somewhere like Latvia… but it wasn’t a “violent death.” Looking back at the translated transcript perhaps it’s just my interpretation, but what I immediately thought of was how critics of Putin’s Chechen policy protest the violence against civilians there. Chilling.
Absolutely not. They want people to believe he was nobody.
It is patently obvious the FSB is eliminating vocal critics and in particular anyone associated with the alleged Chechen apartment bombings. And they wuire simply do not forgive or forget. There must be a HUGE story behind it that will apparently never get out because the FSB is one step ahead – everyone that gets close gets dead.
They assassinated Sasha in the UK because many defectors have fled there – they want them to know they are no longer safe.
I will change my mind if more facts such as a money trail to nuclear blakc marketing, or such as no one else inquiring about the bombings getting dead, beaten, poisoned, dying or jailed.
***wuire*** quite
We shall see. Apparently some have their mind already made up no matter what the police find. I am going to reserve my judgement until I see more information but I personally see a government directed assassination as probably the least likely (but possible) scenario. There are too many negatives and not a single positive I can think of. And Litvinenko had not been all that “vocal” in recent years.
It would be like assassinating Lyndon Larouche or something. It would cause more problems than it would solve.
Jerry–you’re memory of Putin’s response is correct. “Not violent”.
Enlightened
This is another of your fantastic finds:
http://www.gazeta.ru/2002/05/30/FSBinahurryt.shtml
The FSB officer Viktor Shebalin who testified against Litvinenko in his trial in absentia also appeared with Litvinenko and other FSB officers at their press conference in 1998 to expose FSB corruption in their department.
In addition: “Mikhail Trepashkin, a lawyer being held in a penal camp in the Urals, gave his information via an intermediary after the Kremlin refused to let him be questioned by Scotland Yard detectives who have travelled to Moscow. In testimony that he fears could put his own life at risk, Mr Trepashkin named the colonel as one of four FSB security service officers who appeared in masks alongside Litvinenko at a 1998 press conference, when the former agent accused his superiors of ordering the assassination of the oligarch Boris Berezovsky.
FSB colonel named in Litvinenko poison plot http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/10/wpoison10.xml
Could Trepashkin mean Shebalin? Is he a colonel in the FSB?
Wooo Between Enlightened’s research and Mariposa’s noodling, we’re making progress tonight. Let me see if I can find anything about Viktor Shebalin
Sue – yes, Shebalin is a Colonel. Hah.
Colonel Victor Shebalin (also the ‘man in the mask’ participant of the scandalous press-conference).
And the noose tightens.
http://coranet.radicalparty.org/pressreview/print.php?func=detail&par=11742
Trepashkin gave docs relating to the bombing to Shelabin and on that basis was charged with disclosing state secrets.
Shelabin
Shelabin was one of the agents at the press conference.
“In November 1998, Litvinenko and four of his colleagues held an
unprecedented press conference, having accused the FSB and their direct
supervisors, of alleged practice of extrajudicial liquidations and physical
pressure upon businessmen and political figures. They declared, in
particular, that one year prior to that they had received an order on
Berezovsky’s elimination. Two years later, one of the closest fellows of
Litvinenko and a participant of the abovementioned press conference,
Viktor Shebalin, publicly announced that it had been “a planned-in-advance
action of Litvinenko, under direction of Boris Berezovsky”. In November
2003, another former colleague of Litvinenko, who also participated in the
press conference, Andrey Ponkin, announced that «according to mine, though,
unchecked information, Litvinenko had received from Berezovsky one and a
half million dollars for the press conference». ”
presser
Well, if the FSB was behind the bombings–and I think it was–it will destroy Putin; discredit the war in Chechnya and infuriate Russians who lost people in those bombings. I can see what that makes Trepashkin and Litvinenko so dangerous and why everyone who digs into this is in grave danger.
*** can see WHY that makes Trepashkin and Litvinenko so dangerous and why everyone who digs into this is in grave danger.***
The picture is becoming increasingly clearer.
It is now – with Sue’s great catch – 100% certain that Litvinenko was double crossed by Shebalin. As was Trepashkin. And again, for the how many’th time – circles back to the bombings of the Chechnya apartments. It would be similar to George Bush arranging 9/11.
So Litvinenko was double crossed. And I daresay he must have had some very interesting dossiers of former or current FSB. He most probably was blackmailing them. I’m not sure he wanted money – I think he wanted justice after his “colleagues” had his back so-to-speak.
Very reaonable supposition–and its why he was a hero to the Chechens.
And so – State Secrets were in teh hands of Trepashkin. That means that the State was involved in the bombings. Without a shadow of a doubt.
This is a monstrous coverup of huge magnitude, and the price you pay for getting too close to the fire is quite apparent.
PS: Did we know that Lugovoi was once Gaidar’s (also poisoned) bodyguard?