Jan 08 2007
What To Do About Iraq?
Update: The fiasco has begun, and it is Dems against Dems as some Democrats see the danger of quitting Iraq without good cause and without trying to win first:
Some of the other leading Democrats in Congress aren’t ready to echo House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s suggestion that lawmakers might hold up funding for additional troops in Iraq.
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But Pelosi’s second-in-command in the House Democratic leadership, Steny Hoyer, told Fox News he doesn’t ”want to anticipate” that possibility. And the Democrat who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden, says Congress doesn’t have the power to second-guess Bush’s military strategy — because lawmakers had voted to authorize him to wage war. Biden appeared on NBC’s ”Meet the Press.”
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When asked about Pelosi’s remarks, a White House spokesman said Bush welcomes any ideas on Iraq that ”lead to success.”
Like shooting dead fish in the bottom of an empty barrel. Dems need to explain why they cannot find a winning solution. That should be fun to watch. And Biden, for once, is showing what it means to think things out. The Dems authorized Iraq in greater numbers than they did the first Gulf War. They cannot go back on that now. And Pelosi is pulling a Clinton – by not supporting our troops. People may recall that the entire reason the Black Hawk incident happened in Mogadishu was because Clinton’s Sec Def refused to authorize sufficient support for the mission. They tried to do the mission without heavy armor on the ground – and people died brutally because of that decision. And the decision cost the new Sec Def his job. Pelosi is making a bush league mistake. Clearly she did not mastermind the win of Congress as much as the Reps gave it away from their bad decisions. Right now there is not a huge resevoir of good will towards DC pols. So if the mistakes keep coming at this pace 2008 will not even be close.
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In a word: “win”. The Democrats and the left are truly misguided. Dangerously misguided. Today Michael Barone (ever the gentleman) applauds the Democrats’ sincerity in calling for America’s defeat. Sincerity doesn’t equate to “correct” or “wise”. Most people are absolutely sure of themselves when they make mistakes. Why else would they make them?
Iraq is very winnable, and is actually being won. We have established the Democratic government through high turn out elections. And the ugly process of consensus (vs armed progroms) is working its way as the Islamo Fascists do what they can to tear the country apart. Personally I think, if Iraq is still together after all of the bloodshed and the election of a defeatist party in the US, the democratic country of Iraq will no doubt succeed. Many do not share this view – but that is also typical.
Too many people live in the “now” and become obsessed with their views having to be 100% right. I tend to the long view and I know nothing will transpire as I think it will – never has and never will. I can navigate and prepare and plan for a lot. But in the end fate rules and rarely exposes what is to come. Few understood the power of the world wide web (www) when it first appeared around 1990-91. Few ever thought the iron curtain would fall. Few ever thought 9-11 would happen. The fact people do not see something coming is not a good indicator it is not there.
The Democrats do not grasp the danger of giving Iraq to Al Qaeda. In their insane world of upside down obsession, it is now OK to give Iraq’s weapons technology, natural resources and highly educated population over to Al Qaeda – because Al Qaeda was never in Iraq when Saddam was in power. Try and wrap that kind of thought process in logic and you will hurt yourself. Al Qaeda was not aligned with Iraq, so we should never have gone into Iraq, and so we should now give the country to Al Qaeda – which is the reason we went into Iraq: to keep Al Qaeda out of Iraq. That is painful just to type.
But that is Democrat ‘logic’! I really did not expect them to push for something in the majority that they were afraid to push openly all those years in the minority. The Democrats were afraid to tell the public they wanted to surrender Iraq to Al Qaeda during the election because they would, rightfully, be seen as pulling the rug out form all our heroic men and women in the military. They would be seen as throwing all the lives lost in the conflict into the trash can of political expediency. If the Dems cannot stand up for the Iraqis who are striving to be free and democratic, they will not stand up for anyone.
So why is it the Dems are emboldened now? Do they think the title ‘majority’ (as razor thin as it is) is some kind of special cloaking device that will fool the masses? Does Speaker Pelosi somehow think her historic position has bequeathed her with omnipotence and protection from ridicule? That seems to be the case. That which they dared not speak publically for years they now say openly because they think their new roles will protect them. Sort of pathetic really.
So let’s recap the Democrat surrender plan. Since Saddam was not in league with Al Qaeda (who are clearly trying to find a way to repeat 9-11) we should not have freed the Iraqi people and developed the first Muslim Arab democratic state. The logic here is also astounding. The only reason we would help establish democracy in Iraq is if Saddam had allied with Al Qaeda – otherwise no need. That is strange logic right there. And because Saddam was not aligned with Al Qaeda, we should surrender Iraq to Al Qaeda now and betray all those Iraqis fighting to be our ally. It truly is a wonder, that kind of thinking. A wonder this country will survive the next two years of Democrat ‘thinking’. Of course this all begs the question: if we surrender Iraq to Al Qaeda, will the Dems finally feel justified in having the US in Iraq and supporting the fledgling democracy? Will we then go back in to protect Iraq from Al Qaeda as was the original concern?
And we know more is coming from the Democrats (heaven help us). To protect us from terrorists Dems plan to stop listening in on terrorists as they make their plans, because we may accidentally listen in on an innocent American talking innocently to Bin Laden. And they will protect us by supplying enemy combatants with lawyers and trials, so we can never interrogate them on what bloody plots are in the works. And the Patriot Act will be repealed, so that terrorism is once again less of a threat than drug and crime lords.
Sadly, this upside down logic is all consuming for the Dems, since its genesis is anything Bush is for the Dems are against. Bush is for protecting this country from attack – he has said so many times. Therefore, the Dems are against his efforts. Which brings us back to what America will think of all this. If the Dem’s nifty logic pretzels don’t worry them, the fact the Dems are fighting our President and his efforts to protect us will surely be noticed. It seems the Dems are pushing to do more for Al Qaeda than for America these days. And they have sincerely come to the conclusion this is best for America. Winning in Iraq is best for America and anything else is a disaster.
Mikeyfil, I’ve been waiting for some lefty to come along and dazzle us with his brilliance. I’ll put on my sun shades.
Could be some of us may be a little too old for combat. Some of us have been around long enough to know who the fools in the world are and are not. That’s why Jon Carry didn’t get elected.
You can’t “quit” something you didn’t agree to/with in the first place–some of us were smart enough to know that Bush was lying about WMD and Al Queda in Iraq long before most of the rest of the country came to its senses. And it amuses me to no end that people who whine about “quitting” are such rabid supporters of the biggest quitter and coward of them all-GWB, who couldn’t even manage his cushy and safe National Guard Service. Maybe all you so-called patriots are just sadists who love the fact that people are getting blown up and maimed and murdered every day–and don’t let age stop you from serving–there are plenty of older National Guardists who are being sent back to Iraq four and five times while Bush’s kids spend their time getting drunk (chips off the old block).
Testing, why won’t anything longer than the word testing go thru. I guess I’ll start saving my messages in anticipation. It’s a lot of trouble to compose something to have it eaten by a filter. Especially when it’s a work of brilliance.
Mikey,
Get yourself a clue. Your consent was not required then nor is it now. Congress authorized the President and they speak for us as a nation – not as individuals. Did you skip US Government in HS or something?
Your calls to quit speak about you – not the situation in Iraq are those who went in eyes open and have not changed their minds (because there is no changing your mind on these matters). Wafflers unite! But trying disparage people who stand behind their initial positions while you wafflers whine is truly hillarious. We meant what we said and stand by it, and folks like Kerry complain they were stupid dupes and are your heroes! All we need to know about you Mikey – you admire wafflers, whiners, crybabies and quitters. And you lash out at people who demonstrate resolve and integrity.
Want to know what all that lashing out looks like? Insecurity by comparison. Wafflers and whiners just don’t stand up well when compared with resolve and integrity….
Never will either. That’s why you can keep on doing what your doing with my blessing. Never stop someone from diminishing themselves in comparison. Never.
I have been wanting someone to say this for the longest time:
GEORGE W. BUSH IS NOT A LIAR. Period.
Mikeyfil, smart enough to know all this, but not smart enough to even know the definition of lying.
“some of us were smart enough to know that Bush was lying about WMD and Al Queda in Iraq long before most of the rest of the country came to its senses.”
Do us all, especially yourself, a favor and paste the definition of lying direct from dictionary.com
I don’t believe you can find anything that Pres Bush did that would fit that definition.
Lying means you know it’s not true. The fact is there actually were a small amount of WMD’S (old ones) found and lot’s of evidence that there were others that were moved to Syria. There is literally tons of paperwork found that prove the relationship with al Qaeda.
It’s strange that you accuse Pres Bush of lying when you know for sure you are lying when you say it.
You also know that Pres Bush fulfilled his military obligation. You are referring to Dan Blather’s forged documents. Dan a hero of yours?
Exactly what is the point of trying to prove something with only concocted information. At least get a small amount of integrity and only use truthful information for your argument.
I know that’s hard for a lib to do, but give it a try. At least we’ll give you a little respect if you’ll not deliberately lie.
Mikeyfil, the military services are voluntary, I think you know that.
“Bush’s kids spend their time getting drunk (chips off the old block).”
After you volunteer(exercise your option), you are then free to criticize those you choose that don’t volunteer(exercise their option)
I did volunteer and serve, and you sir are a chicken up until you volunteer. Or are you just a chip off the old block?
“You can’t “quit†something you didn’t agree to/with in the first place…” –Mikey
Well Mike we live in a democracy, it’s your country and your troops. So the fact that you disagree doesn’t entitle you to “quit.” May I suggest Canada or perhaps more aptly Pakistan.
The biggest lie of the decade is the lie that George Bush was lying. May I also suggest that you look up the word “lie” so that you yourself are not a liar when you talk about your president.
You right wingers are so pathethic–your day is over! It will be DECADES before Repugs get over the damage Chimpy McFlight Suit has wrought. Let the investigations begin! Then we’ll see how truthful your hero Bush was. And where is your proof he finished his service? He did not… apparently couldn’t take his physical because there was too much coke in his system! He’s nothing but a dry drunk. Perhaps some of you should check into what Michael Scheurs (ex CIA, author of Imperial Hubris) has to say about Bush letting bin Laden go so as not to offend the Saudis ,whose side he is really on… and allowing them to continue to fund Islamic terrorism. Talk about being a traitor–time for some oversight, baby!
Mikeyfil, your charade is over, we all now recognize you by your rhetoric. You think just changing your name changes your ignorance?
Robert/Ken/Cone/Gil
I don’t understand why it’s so important to you to post and be an ass and think we don’t all recognize you.
That one brain cell you have is not too sharp and it’s too late for you to grow another one.
So you really are a chip off the old block. (yes this means what you think it means)
mikeyfil/robert/ken/cone/gil, your game is up, the mask is off.
You are a chip off the old block(and this means what you think it means)
mikeyfil, so you don’t believe in integrity.
whoops, I’m relying on your one brain cell to even know what the word means. You and Dan Rather are the only two people in the world that still believe his forged documents.
I’m afraid you’re the ones lacking brain cells–I am not those other posters you mentioned–I guess you’re trying to make yourselves feel better by ignoring the fact that there are millions of us Lib-progressive types out there–that’s why we won the last election and you losers–LOST! And as for Bush’ so-called service–do a little research into the matter–you’ll find that he did not complete his service–and used his family’s influence to jump ahead of others into the National Guard–he is a COWARD.
mikeyfil, so all you libs use the same words in the same context cosistently and you expect us to believe you’re somebody different? hehehehe
As I said, research using the forged documents don’t count. The jumping ahead and not fulfilling, that was only verified in the faked documents, not in the real world.
You misunderstood, I didn’t say you were lacking in brain cells. You have the regular complement for brain dead libs. One.
He volunteered to fly a fighter jet over vietnam and that puts him in the Coward class. Geez, where would that put Bubba?
You really are a chip off the old block(you know what I mean by this)
mikeyfil,You misunderstood, I didn’t say you were lacking in brain cells. You have the regular complement for brain dead libs. One.
You really are a chip off the old block(you know what I mean by this)
You misunderstood, I didn’t say you were lacking in brain cells. You have the regular complement for brain dead libs. One.
testing
I guess the filter caused those duplications, I apologize for those. FE
Mikeyfil, you don’t know the diff between a lib and a progressive?
Geeez, people, he don’t even know what he is.
Lib-progressive types
just for your education Lib = member of looney left
Progressive = what former socialists/communists started calling themselves when it wasn’t cool any longer to be soc/comm.
Better file that, that one cell won’t retain it long. Chip.
No, it is you causing those dupes FE! The filter just picks up every submit and sends it to the moderation queue. You have been linked to SPAM for some reason. Be patient. I am in meetings and checking occassionally to clear the queue.