Jan 29 2007
We Are At War With Iran
Based on reporting by Rick Moran and Bill Roggio it is clear the recent attack on a US outpost in Iraq by attackers disguised as Americans was actually an act of war by Iran:
The American Forces Information Service provides the details of the attack in Karbala. Based on the sophisticated nature of the raid, as well as the response, or cryptic non-responses, from multiple military and intelligence sources, this raid appears to have been directed and executed by the Qods Force branch of the Iranian Republican Guard Corps. My sources agreed this is far to sophisticated an operation for the Mahdi Army or Badr Corps, while al-Qaeda in Iraq would have a difficult time mounting such an operation in the Shia south. “The Karbala Government Center raid the other day was a little too professional for JAM [Jaish al-Mahdi, or the Mahdi Army],†according to a military source.
This raid required specific intelligence, in depth training for the agents to pass as American troops, resources to provide for weapons, vehicles, uniforms, identification, radios and other items needed to successfully carry out the mission.
Rick notes our forces were handcuffed, marched away and executed. This is a clear act of war by Iran. This was not defensive. And I really do not want to hear about how US policy forced Iran to attack us because there was nothing forcing them to do this. The Democrats better prepare the wells of the Senate and House – because it is time for them to make their stand. Are they going to avenge the unprovoked attack on our military? Our people were there to keep the peace and try and stop the bloodshed. But Iranians came across and pretended to be Americans.
We are at war with Iran. It is now only a question of how long Congress and America take to wake up to this fact. Think of what they could have done with a small nuclear device? Time is up for the Mad Mullahs and Ahmedinejad the “Final Saviour”.
Sooth:
Do you spend a lot of time in Iran? Perhaps you there right now readying yourself for your next Death to America rally after which you can beat the hell out of some dissidents and hang some homosexuals before you go about a quiet evening of stoning unwed mothers.
I read the book Reading Lolita in Tehran which was actually written by an Iranian, but then what would an Iranian know about Iran? And I have heard this from many Iranians who came here to escape the mullahs.
The mullahs took out the left right away, as soon as they had served their purpose. The days of the Shah are seen with romantic distance, after all those were the days when Iran was actually part of the world.
Tom:
Hey everything is the fault of the CIA.
Sooth is talking about the Soviet backed government that was going to nationalize the British holdings. That was decades ago during the cold war. But since we are Americans time does not matter.
If the communists killed tens of millions of people back in the 20th century that is just water under the bridge, no one is perfect. But something that happened over 50 years ago and the US was involved…..well that is different. That makes it ok fine for a bunch of fanatical fascists to fantasize about slaughtering Americans and finishing the job on the Jews that Adolph Hitler started.
These are lefties we are dealing with. They believe in circular logic. They can do no wrong, are responsible for nothing and have no obligation to back up their rhetoric with anything but cherry picked self serving tidbits of factoids. Reality is optional.
Ever notice how these governments are democratically elected when the guys like Soothie say so but they are illegitimate and have no right to exist when they say so as well? Just like Iraq, the fact that those people voted for the goverment over there means nothing. It is not democratic because the US wanted it and the US is bad bad bad bad.
Not like those nice mullahs who lock people like Soothie poo up fo running their mouths. Not like those nice nice Soviets who sent 35 million people to die in the gulags and not like those nice Chinese communists who killed 70 million in their cultural revolution and who even now will not allow freedom of speech.
No we are America, boo hiss, we have liberated and fed and clothed and rescued and given aid to more people than anyone in the history of the world and we are bad bad bad says Soothie, the man who knows all about how we stole those nice people’s oil back in 53.
Unearned wealth has brought the Middle East nothing but misery and tyranny. They have not built any major universities, they have not used that wealth to better their lives or anyone else’s. Hopefully that will change, but who ever is to blame for that, it is not the United States.
Believe it or not Soothie baby, there was war and hunger and strife in the world before the United States came along and if the mullahs get their way and we are wiped from the face of the earth, there will still be war and strife and hunger and poverty and need.
Soothsayer, what an ironcally inappropriate handle for someone who just spews contentious crap.
Well said Terrye.
Liberals always only see one side of history, it’s the side that sees everthing ever done by the US as a catastrophe for the rest of the world. We are always the cause of every problem and anyone who attacks us is morally justified. None of the good things accomplished such as setting millions of people free from slaughtering dictators around the world is ever seen as a good thing. I can’t imagine what leads people to hate there own country so much, though I think it was plato who nailed it with the rise and fall of nations. The most ironic part of it is that these leftist would be slaughtered without hesitation in the very same countries they worship as moral symbols of a modern world. How can you possibly slam you own country that will allow you to say anything you want while praising or ignoring the country that would put you to death instantly for the slightest critism? They always bring up the long ago past actions of a previous time and extrapulate how those actions have ruined todays world.
Two words for you smoothie, THINGS CHANGE!!!!
For instance, yes, we backed the Shah of Iran, but at the time, that was the best of bad alternatives. And I have been to Iran and spent considerable time in the Persian Gulf over the last thirty years.
You can spend your whole life going back through history and point out, “that was a bad idea, oh yeah, that was stupid,” All these people who talk about hindsight are idiots. They don’t realize that if they were to go back and change the so-called bad decisions of the past, that things could have actually turned out much worse than they did. HISTORY IS OVER! Blasting the past is simply a way of crapping on the present if your man is not in power. It would mean more for learning how to make judgements in the future if you did not distort everything so much to see it clearly through your one sided kalidescope. When you have a simple ONE-SIDED view of the everything, how can anyone expect you to make good decisions in a three dimensional world? Yesterdays ally is sometimes todays enemy! Ever been divorced? It is part of the nature of man that you can’t change.
The thing that liberals refuse to acknowledge is that war is and has been a constant part of mans existence since the first caveman hit the second caveman in the head with a club. Makind is aggressive. Get over it. Now you have to ask, what do we do about it? Just talking to them and hoping they will leave us alone as long as we leave them alone has been tried to death, IT DOESN’T WORK! I know it takes a pair to stand up and fight, but if you haven’t got any, get some! War protestations are a flimsy cover up for cowardice. Nobody likes war, but there are those brave intelligent MATURE people who realize that aggressiveness has to be countered, and not just with talk. Talk is not a weapon or a strategy, it is usually a diversionary tactic.
One more thing, wars are not caused by hawks, they are caused by doves, weakness invites aggression, strength deters it. Peacenicks bring war and defeat, hawks bring victory and peace.
One more thing, wars are not caused by hawks, they are caused by doves, weakness invites aggression, strength deters it. Peacenicks bring war and defeat, hawks bring victory and peace.
And everyone in the world who has a passport that says anything except US of A knows that!
(Except the French)
Victory and peace? In Iraq? Oh – and – uh – Mission Accomplished, too?
What alternate reality do you live in Bikerdude?
soot,
you stated:
“Radical Islam got its birth when the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government at the behest of the oil companies. Read some history.”
i read some history and i stand corrected. the war apparently started when cain killed able. that said this particular battle started as i said in 79. moral equators always look to something prior so as not to face the reality in front of them. this does two things 1) it allows a person to do nothing about the current situation and 2) it gives the perps a moral ground to stand on by rationalizing their current murderous ways as a response to some prior abuse. old bin is using that logic to re-instate the caliphate because of the bad treatment islam supposedly suffered 500 years ago.
as to the stupid comment below that you posted:
“In truth, Mr. Neid, the war – if there can be said to be a war outside of the fevered imaginations of Bush & Cheney – began in 1953, when under the auspices of John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, the CIA overthrew the democractically elected secular government of Mohamed Mossadegh, and installed the Shah on the Peacock Throne.” The Shah systematically looted Iran’s treasury, and when deposed by a coup, fled to the United States, along with $12,000,000,000.00 stolen from the people of Iran.
put down your bong! you really need to get some counseling. here are the exact historical facts from 1919 to 1979 in this link:
http://tinyurl.com/3ttjk
so to repeat for the learning impaired:
“in truth the war started in 79 when iran attacked our embassy. even under the flawed geneva conventions that was an act of war. the fact that jimmy carter crapped his pants and did nothing is besides the point. radical islam got its birth and now we are dealing with it. sooner or later we will realize our mistake in not “cruise missiling†the leaders of iran, syria, sudan, hamas, hezzbollah and al sadr on the same night without warning. three years ago al sadr was a fat punk with a few thousand lackies’ running behind him. we let him go, now he runs iraq and controls an army of 60,000. brillant move on our part.
iraq has no chance to survive surrounded by syria and iran with its current leaders. these folks are professional terror masters akin to the best that stalin and hitler produced. when we leave they will fillet iraq the same way syria does lebanon. if we really want stability in iraq the path leads through iran and syria.”
soot,
you stated:
“Radical Islam got its birth when the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government at the behest of the oil companies. Read some history.”
i read some history and i stand corrected. the war apparently started when cain killed able. that said this particular battle started as i said in 79. moral equivalizers always look to something prior so as not to face the reality in front of them. this does two things 1) it allows a person to do nothing about the current situation and 2) it gives the perps a moral ground to stand on by rationalizing their current murderous ways as a response to some prior abuse. old bin is using that logic to re-instate the caliphate because of the bad treatment islam supposedly suffered 500-700 years ago.
as to the stupid comment below that you posted:
“In truth, Mr. Neid, the war – if there can be said to be a war outside of the fevered imaginations of Bush & Cheney – began in 1953, when under the auspices of John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, the CIA overthrew the democractically elected secular government of Mohamed Mossadegh, and installed the Shah on the Peacock Throne.” The Shah systematically looted Iran’s treasury, and when deposed by a coup, fled to the United States, along with $12,000,000,000.00 stolen from the people of Iran.
put down your bong! you really need to get some counseling. here are the exact historical facts from 1919 to 1979 in this link:
http://tinyurl.com/3ttjk
so to repeat for the learning impaired:
“in truth the war started in 79 when iran attacked our embassy. even under the flawed geneva conventions that was an act of war. the fact that jimmy carter crapped his pants and did nothing is besides the point. radical islam got its birth and now we are dealing with it. sooner or later we will realize our mistake in not “cruise missiling†the leaders of iran, syria, sudan, hamas, hezzbollah and al sadr on the same night without warning. three years ago al sadr was a fat punk with a few thousand lackies’ running behind him. we let him go, now he runs iraq and controls an army of 60,000. brillant move on our part.
iraq has no chance to survive surrounded by syria and iran with its current leaders. these folks are professional terror masters akin to the best that stalin and hitler produced. when we leave they will fillet iraq the same way syria does lebanon. if we really want stability in iraq the path leads through iran and syria.”
Peace only comes after war is over. The problem with you lefties is that you have not noticed that this has been a pattern since the beginning of man and now you think you can go straight to peace without finishing the damn war! Rush Limbaugh is right about this, he says the worst thing that can happen for the looney left is for Iraq to settle down and come out all right. Then they would look like a bunch of fools, so they are doing anything they can to undermine the effort. They are literally invested in defeat. They have placed all their money and captital on the other side. Our own democrat cowards in the congress go overseas and talk down the war, talk down the president, slip damaging national secrets to the press, and if they succeed and make it as big of a mess as it could possibly be, they will stand there all full of themselves and say, “See, I told you so!” You must be so prould.
And as a side note, Mission Accomplished was absolutely right, the mission was to oust Saddam and that was done. It is so childish to pick apart everything just for the sake of being pernicious.