Feb 14 2007
Lincoln Quote An Internet Myth!
Major Update: I was linked by some foul mouthed childish liberal nut, who had a good point – this Lincoln quote I saw in a Washington Times article is an internet fake. Of course I cannot fact check the news media, and if the emotionally stunted blogger would have simply emailed me with the fact this was one of those urban legends I would do what I am doing now, alertiing folks that the quote is a fraud. Of course it would have come with a sincere thanks if the poor sap had shown some maturity. But his faults don’t change the fact this is not a Lincoln quote. My apologies to Lincoln (not those who give aid to our enemies).
End Update
This is a wonderful quote from “honest Abe Lincoln” that should be on every conservative website as a reminder to America why the Dems are not to be trusted with our national security:
Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.
— President Abraham Lincoln
Now who is going to argue with Abraham Lincoln? If you oppose the Democrat plans to surrender Iraq, post this quote someplace.
Addendum: I should note that at the time, the enemy was our American brothers in the South. Alliances and connections to our brothers in the South were not a big surprise or limited, so Lincoln’s comments must be seen in his desire TO END the war quickly to stop the bloodshed. It is hard to imagine how liberals would tolerate a lesser standard of allegiance with regard to the Islamo Fascists than was quartered our own people, but they do. It simply illustrates their hate of America, and therefore their irrelevance to the debate.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/vance4.html
Let’s hope that Strata doesn’t take Lincoln’s example too literally.
Like imprisoning, unconstitutionally, war opponents.
Uhh LT did you actually read the link? It vindicates both sides of the suspension of the writ of habeaus corpus. Remember that in 1866, AFTER THE WAR WAS WON, the writ was reinstated.
Gaffney quoting Lincoln? Accurately? Please (puhleese). factcheck~dot~org~slash~printerfriendly415.html (convert ~*~, as appropriate)
…post this quote someplace… Why not post it in the same body cavity whence it originated, hmm? Good score, AJster!
Now that Peter Pace has disputed Bush claims about Iranian government involvement in US casualities,it would be nice
if Aj rescinded or modified his attack on Iran.
Now did Lincoln say that while he was alive, or did that quote come via Bob Woodward ?
As I said earlier, it must really be a slow day over at Huffington Post.
“did Lincoln say that while he was alive, or did that quote come via Bob Woodward ? ”
Armitage couldn’t wait to tell it to Woodward.
Quoting Chairman Peter Pace in Australia:
“We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se [specifically], knows about this,” he said. “It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it’s clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit.”
This seems a particularly aprophos quote…….
….to use at a time like this.Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should ……
Last time I looked, a WAR was declared when Abe Lincoln was president. An authorization to use military force is not a declaration of war. We are not in a state of war with Iraq; the war with Iraq is over – and we won. We are now the occupying force in an internecine civil war.
The use of Lincoln’s quote is inapposite.
A bit of history is appropriate here….
During the Civil War, the most prominent of the Northern opponents to the war was Congressman Vallandingham.
He was arrested and expelled.
Not from Congress.
From the United States.
And if Bush had half the steel in him that Lincoln did, he would have done this to the terrorist sympathizers in Congress three years ago.
Honest Abe…
Is honest still, perhaps more so:Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged. — President Abraham Lincoln H/T…
I should add that Chairman Pace also said he wasn’t at the briefing in Baghdad, indicating he had no knowledge of what was said.
Heck, lots of Democrats were so ticked off at Lincoln, they started the Confederacy.
US Constitution Art III Sec III
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
The sentence says ” ,or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them aid and comfort .”
Doesn’t require War.
Just the Aid and Comfort. American leftists terrorists supporters are doing that every day.
Thanks for the addition. AJ. Apart from the logical deficiencies in your entire line of thought (original and expanded), as I\\\’ve noted, the quote is bogus. See the factcheck.org citation, above (& below). Apart from considerable other reasons why one should be suspicious of the purported existence and accuracy of the quote, the word saboteur is, apparently, one of 20th century provenance: the OED (1989) [online] indicates its firs document written usage as 1921. [\\\"1921 tr. W. Rathenau\\\'s New Society 125 The saboteurs of labour. 1931 Observer 11 Jan. 20/2 Two managers of a dairy were dubbed saboteurs ...\\\"]. http://factcheck.org/printerfriendly415.html
whoops on the italics (& typos). Let’s see if I’ve closed the italics off now …
Strataspheristas should be advised quoting Mr. Lincoln can be dangerous. In response to a ginned up war, Mr. Lincoln gave his Spot Resolution speech in Congress, decrying the Mexican War and challenging President Polk to specify the exact spot on which Mexico had, in the words of Polk’s war message, “shed American blood upon the American soil.”
When it is clear that an Administration has lead a nation into an elective war based on confabulated reports of Weapons of Mass Destruction and fictitious alliances between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, Lincoln would have been the first Republican to stand up and demand that George Bush justify his ill-advised escalation of the war in Iraq.
“Major Update”
SS Strata. Your protestations would be more credible, had the bogusness of the quote not been pointed out to you earlier, twice in this very thread. (see, my factcheck.org posts)
Of course I cannot fact check the news media,
LOL. First, calling Frank Gaffney part of the “news media” is bit of a leap. And, of course, you cannot be expected to hoof it out to the rough and tumble reporter’s street, to ascertain the truth or falsity of this “breaking news” on the Lincoln quote. It is, however, much welcomed that you finally acknowledge that your daily multiple bloviations on items in the media is something that you can’t be expected to (and do not) “fact check”, even when you easily could, right from your cozy-chair. Kudos.
DGF,
I don’t fact check the media, I don’t have the time. BTW, You are supposed to be banned – are you capable of mature discourse or should I go ahead and save you from embarrassing yourself? BTW, if you think I have time to read all the comments you are also mistaken. I actually noticed the problem when someone linked to it and sent a lot of traffic my way. He of course, was as immature as all liberals.
Memo to All:
AJ shouldn’t be embarrassed by this – after all – if you refuse to SPELLCHECK no one should expect you to FACT CHECK:
1. The Washington Times IS an internet fake. It’s owned by the freakin’ Moonies for crying out loud. Nothing one reads in it is likely to be true.
2. There are a number of easily accessible sites to check urban myths on (factcheck.org; snopes.com). It can save one considerable embarrassment – but it won’t do your math for you.
The important thing is that Abraham Lincoln has been exonerated once and for all of saying anything as stupid as the now-infamous:
Free speech and the Constitution be damned! Not.
So, the bottom line is there is not one antique media that can be trusted to NEVER MAKE A MISTAKE.
Oh, gosh. That makes the New York Times ONE BIG CORRECTION.
Bring it on.
Whether Lincoln said this or not, he did take action against Copperhead sympathizers that would not be tolerated today. and I think that making an issue of whether or not war was declared is kind of bizarre considering the fact it was a CIVIL war.
I don’t think AJ making a mistake about a quote is half as scarey as Obama saying he wanted to be a uniter, like Lincoln.
soothsayer:
I don’t think that freedom of speech is the same thing as deliberately undermining the military in time of war for the sake of partisan politicl gain, maybe you do. Maybe you also think screaming fire in a crowded theatre is freedom of speech as well.
I fail to understand why people think I should fact check the media? Does any of the leftwing brain trust realize how ridiculous that is? I tend to only use references from ‘reputable’ new media outlets, but if they make a mistake (which they did in this case) how is that my fault?
It sounds like some real desperation on your side to find some minor faults with me. Have you been losing that many arguments here? Too funny! I’ll give you a hint, I am not perfect – never claimed to be.
Well, if Lincoln didn’t say it, I’m sure he though it every day………………….
So – who should the arbiter of what free speech is be? You? Bush? Cheney? I think not, thank you.
If the Admnistration thinks that elected officials reflecting the views of 60-70% of their constituency, and attempting to remove troops from harm’s way, somehow constitute undermining the military – let the cowards in the White House and the Department of Justice charge them with treason and institute legal process. We are a nation of laws – and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Otherwise, I suggest shutting the pie hole.
PAINTING LINCOLN BY HIS OWN WORDS!
Here’s one few remember: I STAND WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE RIGHT.
During his time, there were two issues radicals were burning to use. The abolishion of slavery. AND, the prohibition of drink. And, on these two, during the 1850’s, Lincoln saw the Whigs unable to survive. They just dissolved. (That’s why Lincoln joined the republican ticket.)
He also did NOT campaign, once he was nominated in 1860. He knew if he gave speeches, the press would destroy him, and hang albatrosses around his neck.
SO, in the 1850’s, when he was questioned about how deeply he felt for the opinions of radicals he said. I ALWAYS STAND WITH A MAN WHEN HE IS RIGHT. (He said he didn’t believe in partisan warfare.) And, this is true, also, in the posture he took during the Civil War.)
And that’s exactly why opposing George Bush on the Surge is the morally correct position to take. Thanks for making the point, Carol.
Suit-slayer, you are exactly wrong.
And, nuts, too. Go see your dentist if you need your tooth to be saved, though. Don’t depend on fairies.
Carol-
Please. Get back on your medication. If you haven’t had any prescribed froyou – please – seek professional help and GET on somje medication. If anyone can explain the psycho-babble above – please do so.