more on Bush’s blundering booberie above…and AJ

“Dodd and others are basically saying more of our troops need to die before they will act to protect them. They want courtroom-solid evidence before they will risk their political behinds to stand by our people on the front lines. ”

They want courtroom-solid proof whereas you’ll be satisfied
with more of the Douglas Feith-provided “Lie Factory” kind.

No matter. You say “By now along with Pakistan, Iran, and Libya
Saddam would have had nuclear weapons too. All that oil in the Middle East then could have been effectively used to blackmail the rest of the oil using world to do their bidding.”

As Vladimir Putin says, recent US policy has created an alarming
urge to acquire nukes.
I didn’t read you advocate taking inventory of Israel’s nukes,
nor of considering Assad’s plan of disarming it and having a
nuke -free Mideast?!

As if.

“Covert hostiles” is what they are.

Gareth Porter purveys facts that will also “haunt” warmongering
Iranophobes like AJ Strata: Iran’s government unlikely to be involved in killing US troops.

Has anyone noticed that Lasso uses the same “athorities” that Ken did? And, his mind works the same way.

My “side” is neither Democrat nor Republican; eg, I would vote for Kucinich but never Hillary, nor did I vote for Bill -or-his GOP
opponents. So all your attempted (it’s ineffectual in political terms today) self-exculpation of Bush’s lies based on Clintonian
politics rolls off me like water off a duck. But you are inaccurate
on the details. You will find Zinni eg, is a self-identified conservative Republican,and he made his objections known before the war
was launched. It is also a canard that the Democratic party
had the same broad intelligence which Bush did at the time.
Read Senator Dan Graham on that.
The weapons, as Scott Ritter outlined, along with Ray McGovern,
were non-existent and/or degraded years before the inspections,
as Saddam’s key military had told our intelligence.
And no I didn’t want Saddam to continue with the scandal or shooting
at the planes (which he had rights to do under int’l law); I was
opposed to the entire barbaric embargo wherein Albright
admitted and expressed no concern about hundreds of thousands
of Iraqi children killed as a result.
You are a lying deluded Israel-firster who has no real concerns about the Iraqi people, which polls since 2004 reveal have wanted all
US troops OUT of Iraq immediately but which you wish to stay and lord it over these people until they bow to a US installed
Israeli/American puppet.

He has that on Joe Wilson’s authority.

President Bush is a leader, unlike the lightweight poll watchers who fill our house and senate, and upon seeing the clear evidence of Iranian involvement in Iraq, he’s not taking it lying down:
“President Bush said Wednesday he’s convince…

BTW, here are a few quotes, just to show that not only liberals can cherry pick quotes:

October 9th, 1999 Letter to President Clinton Signed by Senators Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry — all Democrats

“We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”

Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
“This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction.”

Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002
“It is Hussein’s vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states.”

John Kerry > January 23, 2003
“Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he’s miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction.”

Sandy Berger > February 18, 1998
“He’ll use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has 10 times since 1983.”

Senator Carl Levin > September 19, 2002
“We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”

You posted on this topic just the other day as well, and called for all Democrats to “stand firm” on this issue. Yet despite repeated inquiries to you in that thread, you declined to explain what you meant by “standing firm” against such alleged acts by Iran.

Again, AJ. Again you have the opportunity to say what you mean by “stand firm”. That is (to be precise), assuming that the reports of Iranian gov’t involvement (of some sort) are accurate, what is “standing firm”? What should the US do ? What should the US not do ? What is *not* “standing firm? Is whatever GWB does (or does not do) “standing firm”? Is everything else *not* “standing firm”? Are you your own man? Or somebody else’s? Or something else, again?

Well as a matter of act lassoing Dodd was convinced Saddam had wmd as well.

I am curious about something, why is it the left never has to be responsible for anything it does or says or believes? I heard Gore and Clinton and Zinni and Levin all of them opine about Saddam and his weapons before Bush left Texas. So everytime I read something like you wrote I ask myself, are these people stupid uninformed, or just plain dishonest?

In truth the Clinton administration packed the CIA with people who got the jobs because of politics rather than qualifications. Because of that they did not see the Pakistani bomb coming, they were oblivious to Kaddafi’s nuke program, they did not know anything about Kahn and his nuclear network and they completely overlooked the terrorists here in America who carried out the 9/11 attacks. And now these same people are still yammering about Bush and the weapons. I guess when he took office he should have just discounted all that intel and said that since Clinton spent most of his second term in the Oval Office with Monica it was highly unlikely he knew what he was talking about in regards to Saddam. But Bush did not, instead he set about trying to improve the intel while your side just revised history and covered your incompetent asses.

BTW, lassoing where are the weapons? Does anyone know? Do you?

I realize thatyou think we shoujld have let Saddam get away with the oil for food scam, as well as firing on our planes, defying the UN and killing hundreds of thousands of his own people. You have made it chrystal clear that while our troops are in a war you are rooting for the enemy…but how about telling us what you think of the likes of Dodd speaking out of both sides of his mouth?

My guess is you will say he is a Democrat and it is ok for Democrats to lie.

Right now the Iranians are trying to play both ends against the middle in Iraq and this is costing not only our troops their lives but innocent Iraqis as well. It would be nice is self righteous preachy liberals would lay off the preening and posturing long enough to give a damn about those people.

But you won’t..you will just go on lying and dissembling and revising history.