Feb 25 2007
Murtha’s Muddled Madness
In a long post below I review why the Democrat’s desperation to surrender to al Qaeda is the worst possible plan right now. One of the madmen behind this suicide policy is Rep Jack Murtha, who had the bizzaro idea of pulling our troops back to Okiniwa were they could watch events and go back into Iraq when conditions warrent (like when al Qaeda takes control). Murtha’s latest muddled thoughts included making up transparent and ridiculous conditions for deployment that that would ‘bleed’ the military into surrendering Iraq. Seems his muddled madness has caused some splits inside the Democrat party:
The plan was bold: By tying President Bush’s $100 billion war request to strict standards of troop safety and readiness, Democrats believed they could grab hold of Iraq war policy while forcing Republicans to defend sending troops into battle without the necessary training or equipment.
But a botched launch by the plan’s author, Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.), has united Republicans and divided Democrats, sending the latter back to the drawing board just a week before scheduled legislative action, a score of House Democratic lawmakers said last week.
“If this is going to be legislation that’s crafted in such a way that holds back resources from our troops, that is a non-starter, an absolute non-starter,” declared Rep. Jim Matheson (Utah), a leader of the conservative Blue Dog Democrats.
Murtha’s credentials as a Marine combat veteran, a critic of the war and close ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) were supposed to make him an unassailable spokesman for Democratic war policy. Instead, he has become a lightning rod for criticism from Republicans and members of his own party.
Murtha can’t honcho useless language through his own party’s Congress, so why is anyone taking this clown seriously on matters of national life and death? The Democrat echo chamber is now gone since they took the national stage, and they are just realizing all their stupid ideas they used to pass around as genius from heaven are really just a bunch of stupid ideas. As I posted below, it is time to figure out how to beat these Islamo Fascists – not give them want they want most.
It’s not the only honorable route, and it may well be more honorable to stay and try to convince the political leadership to change course
Yeah, Lurker, there is another option. In the immortal words of Congressman Tom Lantos to Craig Livingstone during the FBI Filegate hearings, “At least Admiral Boorda had the decency to commit suicide.”
Among the pansies who Murtha could still kick the ass of, we should be sure to include the treasonous draft-dodging DUIer Cheney and the traitorous draft-dodging DUIer Bush . . . as for
Terreye:
Terrye – no doubt Clinton was a draft-dodger – but he was OPPOSED to the war. Cheney and Bush SUPPORTED the war, as long as somebody else did the fightin’/
They’re ALL draft-dodgers – but at least Clinton isn’t a hypocrite.
Soothie: Don’t forget Clinton’s brave attacks on Iraq and Serbia, including destroying the Chinese Consulate in Belgrade. That makes the draft dodger a bigger hypocrite than Bush, who at least signed up to serve in the Air National Guard.
Excuse me but George W. Bush was in the National Guard and trained to fly. If he had been called up, he would have had to go to Viet Nam. His father is decorated War Hero.
John Murtha is a very sick man.
And, if I were you, I wouldn’t take me on about George being in the National Guard, soot.
What have you done for this country?
Generals warn -they will resign if such as Cheney order attack on Iran!
If this is their attitude, if they cannot follow orders like a soldier is supposed to do, then it would be best if they did resign. The military cannot have min soldiers countermanding orders. This would be grounds for a court martial and well deserved. We have enough traiters in this country as it is. We don’t need any in the military.
Terrye – no doubt Clinton was a draft-dodger – but he was OPPOSED to the war. Cheney and Bush SUPPORTED the war, as long as somebody else did the fightin’/
They’re ALL draft-dodgers – but at least Clinton isn’t a hypocrite.
aloe vera
You jest. Clinton was a draft dodger and the reason for that is he didn’t want to get hurt or die not opposition to the war. You people not only put up a draft dodger and rapist as president but also an actual traitor in John Kerry. You had numerouno nominee in two elections and a stupid idiot in another. That would make two stupid idiots and both would have failed except the media protected both of them.
No, call it like it is. The democrat party is decadent. They are full of crooks and thieves. The graft and corruption in this party is unbelievable and nothing you say will ever change our minds about this. Mainly because we do not shut our eyes to proof and facts. We get rid of our bad apples. You don’t. That is the long and the short of the debate. Murtha and Pelosi have a deal going about the Navy and I am waiting for information to come out in the media. I will probably grow old before they report on this.
And never doubt it Clinton was and is a hypocrite. And so are the leaders of the democrat party.
Wrong!
On Bush’s application where his application form asked about an overseas assignment, he checked do not volunteer.. As Bush put it:
Unfortunately, his cocaine use later forced him to skip flight physicals, and he was grounded for medical areasonss as a result:
And Barbie:
An officer in the United States military does not take an oath to obey orders; he/she takes an oath to defend the Constitution. And since the Nurenburg trials, officers are required to disobey unlawful or illegal orders.
Oh Puleeeze, give yourself a break, sooth-copperhead.
Regardless, Bush STILL finished his flying training program with even more hours. He became dedicated to his flying education. He chose to fly; yet, he was put on one of the most difficult and dangerous planes to fly.
He was designated to go to Vietnam when his flying school received orders from the government to hold back its pilots because they were no longer needed.
He did not go to Canada. He was NOT a draft dodger. He was on his way to Vietnam when called back.
He ordered his military records to be released to the public so that we can verify that he did indeed finish his flying program. He finished with more hours than anyone in the short amount of time.
Even Clinton and Obama dabbed into marijuana in their youths.
“And Barbie:
if they cannot follow orders like a soldier is supposed to do, then it would be best if they did resign
An officer in the United States military does not take an oath to obey orders; he/she takes an oath to defend the Constitution. And since the Nurenburg trials, officers are required to disobey unlawful or illegal orders. ”
So? They should resign anyway since they are no longer qualified to run the military operation. As retired sppok said in his post earlier, there are other and more honorable ways to do other than resignations.
There’s a difference between volunteering and being ordered to go. Bush had no choice but to go to Vietnam when it was his time until call-back orders received.
He wasn’t drafted, btw. He volunteered to learn to fly.
There’s also a difference between 1972 and 1974.
You know nothing of which you speak, Soothsayer, regarding George W. Bush’s military service. Those comments are from your mushroom sites.
As I told you before, you do not personally know George W. Bush and have absolutely no gravitas when it comes to commenting on him.
Actually, your comments are very entertaining…and a real view into your inner self…and all your cohorts.
In the interest of historical accuracy, Bill Clinton first tried to use the influence of Senator William Fulbright, for whom he was working, to avoid the draft. He ultimately convinced his draft board to defer him if he signed up for an ROTC course. True to form, Clinton never kept his agreement to sign up for such a course. He subsequently organized antiwar activities in England. During this period, there was his trip to Moscow, which has never been explained, and which has conveniently gone down the Memory Hole.
Dennisa, excellent post.
And the Lefites will not want the facts to get in the way of their fantasies.
How the heck do you know whether I know the idiot or not. As a matter of fact, the last bseball game played between the Cleveland Indians and the Texas Rangers in the old Municipal Stadium I spent 2-1/2 hours watching the ball game with Bush – he was on the road with the Rangers. As a private citizen he was not too bad a guy – but far from the sharptest knife in the drawer. He couldn’t even understand the infield fly rule.
As for Bush, I’m not the only one who can’t stand the lying sleaze – WaPost poll today sez:
Bush Approve: 36% Disapprove 62%
Iraq: Approve: 31% Disapprove 67%
These latent fascists don’t care about polls, they’d pursue a war
with 10% public support.
The first “you don’t know Bush” comment was directed at me,
not Sooth. However it should have been obvious, I…was referring to
the wiz behind the curtain, Dick “I had other priorities…
the insurgency is in its last throes” Cheney, smarter, and therefore
more contemptible.
And Terrye I get sick of your Pavlovian-styled calling me a Democrat when I have described my third party voting record
of the past several elections. But I forgive your zombie-like state.
Perot…Nader…Buchanan all opposed BOTH Clinton and Bush
wars.
The Iraq War has the LEAST contribution of the upper class
demographic of the past several wars.,some say of any war in US history.Rural/small-town America, which was the most pro-war demographic in 2002, but which registers only 39% war support now, has born the brunt of the plutocracy’s bloodletting.
Being at a baseball game with thousands does not constitue knowing him, which is truly exposed again by your comments.
And the polls have nothing to do with anything about knowing George W. Bush.
You are suffering from projection, at the very least. And you know it.
🙂
And as usual, you don’t want to mention the polls that say overwhelmingly the American public wants to W-I-N in Iraq, not leave.
Sheeze.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/26/AR2007022600313.html
If the public wants “to win in Iraq,” it wants the Democrats to manage the war. Todays poll. Only one problem. The Dems ,according to your
view, don’t want to win but to get out.
Must mean, by your own lights, the public…wants out.
The majority of the Americans still wants to W-I-N regardless of such articles published by WAPO.
No, it doesn’t mean that the public wants out the way the democrats wants out.
Dean Barnett describes you, Lasso-copperhead, in his post:
The Nutroots’ Frustration