Apr 18 2007
“Ismail” Sent Package To NBC
The Manifesto is going to shed a lot of light on the killer Cho Sueng-Hui – aka Ismail. Cho had “Ismael Ax” (or something similar) on his arm, he signed his rantings with Ishmael (or somer similar spelling) and apparently the package sent to NBC came from “Ismail” in Blacksbuirg, VA. I know a lot of people think we give this killer too much attention. And personally I would love to be done with him. But we need to know the motives. We need to know what drove him so we can watch for another case and stop it before it is too late. And we need to know if this disturbed kid was influenced by something. In fact we know he was, but the questio is was it Pop Culture, video games or some kind of cult fanaticism? I know he was emotionally disturbed, so are all killers in my mind. I think the Islamo Fascists don’t have the heads screwed on right. So it is not enough to know he was unstable, we need to know what drove him to kill so many. We need to be able to stop someone else from falling this far into evil. To do that we cannot avert our eyes and wish it would go away. “Ismail” is part of the key to understanding what happened.
Update: Pamela at Atlas Shrugs noticed what I heard but had not caught yet in some form I could link to. The video Ishmael (Cho) sent to includes him ranting against Christianity. Again, there is only one other religion right now raging against the West and Christianity – and it is not the Jews. Pamela also has the picture of the package with “A. Ishmael” as the sender. Pam is also getting a lot of heat for noticing the obvious (yet undeterministic) connections to Islamic fanaticism. The story of Ibrihim and Ishmael is well described here.
Update: Also in the package Ishmael-Cho called himself (and the Columbine killers) a martyr. Obviously Cho was staging a spectaculer end to his pathetic life. Clearly he wants to be seen as a martyr – but the use of the word is interesting (but – again – may mean nothing).
It isn’t Ismail … it is Ishmael … at least that is the return address he put on the envelope to NBC.
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He signed it A. Ishmael and I am assuming the A stands for Ax
CP see my explanation for the variation of spellings on the previous thread
some of the camera angles in this slugs pics are very interesting. I am specifically refering to the one where the gun is pointed right at the camera. and the sight of the gun is aligned directly under the thug’s eye. The camera is also level with his height. I can’t think of a way to prop the camera up that high to get that shot, unless it was on a bookshelf or dresser or something like that. Or maybe he took several and simply chose the best one. Or…could someone else have taken the photo? just thinking outloud
I don’t really care about other people’s spellings, that envelope has the spelling that he himself put on it. That is really the only spelling that matters.
CP, my point is, motives in this case can’t be determined by how he spelled Ishmael. His use of Ishmael neither confirms nor eliminates the possibility of a reference to an Islamic story. In other words, we need MORE info.
I agree with WOG & think he summed it well in other thread. Cho was not an Islamic Jihadist, but in his anti-American rant he was certainly sympathetic to their cause, and his video is similar to jihadi-“martyr” vids taken prior to their mission. No doubt this disturbed, mentally ill, immature kid was influenced by media & pop culture, and video games with its de-sensitization and glorification of violence, and copycat’d the Columbine duo. From the few snippets I’ve seen, I suspect he wasn’t the brightest bulb and agree with AJ that his switch to English was a way to preserve his college degree pursuit.
Yes, I feel for the parents but can’t help but wonder how they let their son devolve into an anti-social sicko. I know it doesn’t happen overnight, but t’s coming out that his isolation and off-balance were evident in high school. (which happens to be a few blocks from where I work).
I’m sorry, but do we really need to see re-run after re-run of the tapes of this s’ick bastard? Did the students of Va Tech really need to see this sick coward on national TV three days later? Do I really want to know what he said or why he said it? I’m willing to let the professionals do that. And is there any professional that can tell you why someone who is obviously insane does anything? If that was the case, then we should know what causes these nuts to go over the edge since the days of Charles Whitman. Or the Bath School murders. Do we need to see evil on film to understand there is evil in the world? I don’t think so.
But we don’t understand the mind of the insane and we will never be able to.
Yeah, I have my suspicions about his religious convictions; his filming of his reasons for the killings, the timing of the filming, the reference to Christianity and Jesus being responsible for his hatred, his saying he was doing it for his children, brothers and sisters and his reference to martyrdom. But don’t think for a moment that the media will ever tell you if he was connected to some sick sect of Islam. The howling that would come from CAIR and the ensuing law suits would be monumental.
Mourn. Pray. And teach your children that there is evil in this world and they need to learn to stand up to it.
One news outlet spelled it Ismail and a lot of people are trying to draw some islamic connection from it.
I am saying the connection Cho is trying to make is to Ishmael’s Ax … as in Ishmael Bush from “The Prairie” that he probably had to read in his college courses as an English major. If you read that book, it is basically about American culture destroying itself. Ishmael turned the entire country into a desert with his ax. In other words, the Americans destroyed their very country with their excesses. THAT is the message Cho is trying to get across, not anything religious.
“THAT is the message Cho is trying to get across, not anything religious. ”
Well, I wouldn’t say his “message” lacked religious themes. From the bytes I heard he compared himself to Christ, and then cursed Christianity. The thesis that he was referring to “The Prairie” is not supported by the spelling of Ishmael or Ismail. Both theories, Koranic reference and James F. Cooper, are probable; and may I add one does not mutually exclude the other. This could be a “both/and” situation rather than “either/or.” Of course, I still go back to the idea that trying to make sense of this is useless, at least at this stage. Until we know to what extent he railed against the west, in terms of religious motivation, we probably won’t be able to make sense of it. Again, CP, I don’t disagree with you. The J.F.C. book is reasonable, but for other reasons rather than how this slug spelled Ishmael.
“Well, I wouldn’t say his “message†lacked religious themes.”
I would. At least that part of it. He was pointing to a book that descrides exactly what he said in his writing and what he said in the video. “You did this” … in other words, he is the chickens coming home to roost.
And new KNEW NBC would put it on the air and he probably KNEW that now others are going to attempt to top him. We are in for more and more of these events if the news keeps reporting them like this. But they just can’t help themselves.
CP
You have to remember you are dealing with alternative reality souls here.
We quite frankly don’t know if the next wannabe to follow up on this stuff was having a self induced sexual pleasure moment that resulted in their new personal record for orgasms in a day or if they decided to eat their cat for breakfast.
What we do know is MOST killing sprees have some prior planning not matter how screwy the self justification might be.
I agree with Retire05 in that I’m really disgusted the way many news programs are playing up the Cho videos. Don’t give this SOB any more airtime than he deserves. (Which ideally would be none, but hey, let’s not get idealistic…)
Heck CP they could have just continued in their Clark Kent lifestyle until whatever triggers their moment and said damn I glad I am not like that.