May 31 2007
WSJ On Immigration
Watch this from WSJ and see how much damage the far right has done in Immigration. I agree with the WSJ, the Reps are screwed now by losing on the issue and losing the Latino vote. Purity will be achieved and the end of conservative governing majority will the result.
Speaking of non-citizens voting –
Hundreds of non citizens, most of whom are believed to be illegal immigrants, have registered to vote in Bexar County in recent years and dozens of them have actually cast ballots, canceling out the votes of U.S. citizens, 1200 WOAI news will report Thursday morning.
Figures obtained by 1200 WOAI news shows 303 illegals successfully registered to vote, and at least 41 cast ballots in various elections.
source for the above –
http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=2138213
Like I said before, we do vote by mail here in Oregon. So I don’t have any current first hand experience about voting in other states. In other states where they don’t vote by mail, are any of them checking for legal status?? My hunch is no.
I know for a fact that we don’t require any sort of proof of citizenship or legal residence here in Oregon.
Thanks for the link Dale. I could have lived without seeing that, but I suppose that everyone *should* see it. Sticking my head in the sand won’t help anything.
Have a good night everyone. I have to get back to my project. I have a deadline and if I keep spending time here, I’m not going to make my deadline.
Retire05, this is for you –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_San_Jacinto
Terrye, somehow or other I got your Apache’s post about living in Oregon as being from you. I apologize for that.
I’ve seen that flag thing before down here Dale, that’s not the only time it’s happened. It has happened down here in San Diego a few times. I imagine that if it were done in D.C. or Herndon, it would be a little more of a dose of reality for some of those beltway mentalities.
I … can’t … stop … myself.
I have to stop this or I am going to miss my deadline.
But this one is just for Terrye –
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Maryland. Noncitizen residents voted, again, in several Maryland towns elections in 2005. (Six towns permit resident voting, including Takoma Park, Barnesville, Martin’s Additions, Somerset, Garrett Park, and Chevy Chase section 3.) No one reported the sky had fallen due to alien voters.
Chicago, Illinois. Similarly, noncitizen residents will vote, again, in school elections in April, 2006 in Chicago.
New York City. In April 2005, the Coalition to Expand Voting Rights helped draft legislation that was successfully introduced into the NYC Council. On November 14, the Governmental Operations Committee of the New York City Council held hearings on the Voting Rights Restoration Act, which would allow about one million noncitizen residents 18 years of age or older to vote in New York City elections if they have been lawfully present for six months. You can find the legislation, testimony, links to media coverage here. While no vote on this legislation was taken in 2005, the 60 member Coalition to Expand Voting Rights is working with representatives to reintroduce the legislation in 2006, as well as planning events to build greater community and organizational support.
Massachusetts.
Cambridge and Amherst: In February 2005, representatives re-filed home rule petitions that give noncitizens the right to vote in their local elections, and at the state level an enabling an act to allow adult noncitizen residents to vote in municipal elections was entertained in the state legislature. No definitive action was taken.
Newton: The nearby town of Newton moved closer to joining Cambridge. A campaign has been growing there, led by Alderman Ted Hess-Mahan, who is the prime sponsor of legislation.
Similarly, efforts are underway in Chelsea, Somerville and Boston.
Update July 2006: In May 2006, the town of Wayland, a wealthy enclave with a large Republican presence, approved in an overwhelmingly positive voice vote an article to enable non-citizens to vote in local elections and at Town meetings. Approximately 800 of the town’s 14,000 residents were present. Wayland, along with Amherst and Cambridge, also is awaiting action by the Massachusetts legislature.
Portland, Maine. Stephen Spring, a representative on the Portland School Board, along with local immigrant leaders has been spearheading an effort to grant legal noncitizens voting rights in school board elections. School board members are likely to take the lead with the help and support from immigrant leaders to hold forums and organize a legislative strategy. They have received some good press — including a well-written editorial in a major local paper — which was published in November, 2005. They seek a resolution by the city council to pass legislation allowing legal noncitizens to vote for school board representatives.
According to Spring, “Immigrant groups there have been speaking up more frequently and more loudly on school matters. They are concerned about ‘tracking’ and other practices leading to inequitable access to high quality courses and instruction.” The school board is very progressive — four greens and five democrats, and Stephen Spring and three other Greens are fully behind a resolution asking the city council to pass legislation allowing legal noncitizens to vote for school board representatives.
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source for the above –
http://www.immigrantvoting.org/statescurrent/USoverview.html
I will wager that Ted Kennedy has a follow-on bill if this bill gets signed. Give me a show of hands if you think Ted Kennedy has another bill, granting Z Visa holders the right to vote in Federal elections, all ready and waiting.
Just watched the video. Excellent. Says it like it is: Cultural objection.
I really do not like those who want to harrass illegals that have been here for years or business. Just what we need-more government harrassment!
I tell you this: I do not want any presidential candidate to be beholden to ANY group. Can you imagine? Their demands will dominate over leadership. Sick.
Hey Terrye,
Go take this little quiz. Let me know how you do.
http://www.fhch.org/ncv/home.html
ApacheIP I see what you say about Oregon voting. The law requires that you be a citizen to vote, but they can not require you to prove that you are a citizen, so that means everyone gets to vote, quasi-legally.
and now the bad news. I just watched Tony Snow on O’Reilly. I have always admired Tony, but he was on there defending the illegal alien bill. He is to be Bush’s point man on the bill. The bad news, Snow is defending a bill that he obviously hasn’t even read. He has no idea what’s in that bill. He kept saying that the border security was a major part of the bill. Not in the draft bill I read it’s not. I just can’t figure out the gross ignorance at what is and is not in this bill. Every single person that defends it apparently has not read it. I know of no one that is for it that admits to having read it. It’s a disgrace.
Apache, stop all the hyperventilating, EVERYONE KNOWS that illegals don’t vote. And all this garbage about making 12 million people new voters is all a bunch of wild exaggeration. How paranoid can you get man?
Back to reality, those flag pictures you saw, If you live in a school district where they tend to pull this little flag thing once in a while, and you have a teenage kid, you cannot send you cannot send your teenager to one of those schools, unless he happens to be the incredible hulk. You can live in denial all you want. If you put a white kid into a school thats over 80 percent hispanic, they will be attacked brutally and that is just a fact. My twelve year old nephew is now being home schooled because the public school he was attending in Tucson is mostly mexicans with a bad attitude. I have gone to funerals for friends of mine who’s kids were killed as an initiation into a gang twice. In both cases they were just walking home from school, one was white, one asian. Killing a gringo is a common rite of passage for these gangs.
That’s what makes it all the more annoying to hear these people who live in clean safe neighborhoods where most of the hispanics they see are mowing lawns or cleaning gutters discount these stories as exaggerations and isolated incidents. When violence gets personal, your outlook changes a lot.
FE,
It is completely out of control here. Our illustrious Governor has mandated that State employees will not inquire into the legal residency status of anyone. It is verbotten.
We give out drivers licenses like cotton candy. They even busted a ring that was busing illegal immigrants from out of state, giving them quickie courses on passing the drivers exam, and then busing them back to their home states. It is out of control here.
We are one of the few States that have stated that we have no intention of complying with that new Federal valid ID law. Consequently, our driver’s license will be useless as an ID for stuff like boarding airplanes.
As far as Tony Snow, it pains me to seem him do this. But Tony was always in favor of the “comprehensive” approach. So it really comes as no surprise.
They could go a long way toward fixing this bill by striking section 601(h) and all references to it. There would still be a lot of other parts I would like re-written or stricken, but if I had the power 601(h) would be the first part to go. That would make the triggers actually mean something then.
You can see a story like this just about every day, sometimes many stories in a day, just like this one:
http://www.azcentral.com/community/swvalley/articles/0531swv-drophouse0602.html
But never mind, nothing to see here, they are just here to commit the crimes Americans won’t do.
I… must… stop……………………
argh………………………….
I am going to miss my deadline!!!
I know of no one that is for it that admits to having read it. It’s a disgrace.
I agree 100%
And it flat out amazes me. How can anyone argue in favor of something that haven’t read?!?!?!
Do they also recommend novels to others, even though they haven’t read the novel? Do they recommend restaurants that they have never eaten at? Do they recommend cars they have never driven? Do they recommend movies they have never seen?
Of course not!
But they line up to argue in favor of a bill they have not read.
It is a world gone mad.
Apache, thanks for the link. I am quite familiar with San Jacinto. Santa Anna, thinking he could escape, dressed as a common soldier and it was only when his troops started saluting him and yelling “Commondante, commondante” that the Texicans realized who he was.
Now to voter I.D.: we had a bill submitted in the Texas house to require a photo I.D. when voting. Photo I.D.s are easy to get in Texas and even if you don’t drive, they are provided free by the DPS. One clown named Gallegos from Houston recently had a liver transplant due to years of excessive alcoholism. He moved a hospital bed into a room off to the side of the Senate floor. This was because in Texas, Senators are given a twenty minute notice of an upcoming vote. This way Gallegos (D) could be wheeled into the Senate floor in a wheelchair so he could vote against the Voter I.D. bill. Illegals voting in Texas elections are nothing new. Last year, during the marches in Dallas, there were signs that said “today we march, tomorrow we vote” and representatives from the Democratic Party of Texas were handing out MotorVoter cards. Since no proof of citizenship is required all that is needed is for someone to check the box that asks “are you a citizen”. Up until recently, those voter registration cards are not cross checked.
As I said before, Hillary is smart enough to know that the Dhimmicrats are going to gain a hugh voter block when/if the amnesty bill is passed. And it will make the Republican party the minority for generations. The Kennedy’s of the D.C. elite crowd are counting on that. Think what our nation will look like after four generations of Dhimmicrat rule.
BikerKen –
When violence gets personal, your outlook changes a lot.
You bet your backside it does. It not only change your outlook a lot, it changes it quickly.
And violence isn’t always a required component. People’s opinion can change from other factors.
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WASHINGTON (Map, News) – While President Bush and pro-amnesty members of Congress are pushing an unpopular immigration “reform†bill that would bestow American citizenship on millions of people who have no regard for America’s laws, liberal Democrats across the Washington region are increasingly complaining about overcrowded houses, noise, loitering and general public nuisance — all caused by illegal aliens.
These local liberals are in no mood for “celebrate diversity†chants.
Listening recently to frustrated folks call a local radio talk show to vent about illegal aliens loitering in front of stores and cramming into $400,000 houses in their neighborhoods, I wondered if those same liberals accused pro-enforcement Americans of being “nativists,†“xenophobes†and “racists†for complaining about the same problems.
Now that illegal aliens have migrated to their neighborhoods, such liberals have become pro-enforcement all of a sudden.
A Republican called in to say her Democratic friends labeled her a racist when she’d complain about illegal immigration. She’d tell them something like, “You just wait until it happens to you. Then you’ll be singing a different tune.â€
It’s happening to them, and they are singing a different tune. It turns out that liberals in half-a-million-dollar houses don’t like living next door to a single-family house filled to the brim with illegal aliens who park on the front lawn, throw trash everywhere and urinate outside.
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The whole article can be found here –
http://www.examiner.com/a-755961%7ELa_Shawn_Barber__Local_liberals_learning_new_lessons_on__diversity_.html
Ah, now for some good news. Just reading over at Hugh Hewitt and here’s the word from there:
Another day of interviews and calls, and my overwhelming sense is that the immigration bill as drafted is as dead as dead can be. The president’s speech on Tuesday had the effect of throwing gas on the flames, and the anger has multiplied, and it isn’t nativist in the least.
My feelings exactly.
Nice to know great minds think alike
Apache,
You’re right on about Ted Kennedy (cape cod orca) — his fingerprints are all over this bill and you can bet they have a follow-on bill ready to exapnds voting “rights”. And it’s telling how none of the proponents have rebutted any of the facts and issues that you & some others have laid out.
It’s mind-boggling how they can dismiss or ignore the result of the ’86 bill … and yet expect that our ill-equipped and incompetent agencies will suddenly be able to execute a maize of prodedures and enforce laws that now involve 12-20 million illegals.
I think Karl Rove’s star is fading fast. The smart political move would have been for Bush to propose separate bills – first for border security, and then after a period of performance, a second bill dealing with the illegals already here — or a truly comprehensive bill where actual metrics (e.g. miles of fence/wall built, 10K additional border agents trained and in place, UAVs operating and detection sensors fielded, detention centers built, etc.) are used to trigger when the processing of illegals & potential path to citizenship can begin. With vast majority of voters behind him, Bush’s poll numbers would be much improved and the conservative base would be energized. The dems would be cornered to either back the legislation or risk alienating voters across most of country, putting them in a weak position for upcoming elections. Unfortunately, we got the Ted Kennedy-esqe mess of a bill that is unworkable in present form.
My favorite quote from this whole debate comes from Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. He has got to go, by the way.
He was speaking in front of “La Raza”, which means “The Race”. And he says, and I quote, “We’re gonna tell the BIGOTS to SHUT UP!”
He is speaking in front of a group who call themselves “The Race” and he is referring to us as bigots????
WTF??? Does he not see the obvious hypocrisy of this?? Can he really be that blind and stupid? Or is that he will say anything, regardless of how stupid, when pandering for votes?
You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried!!!!!!!!!
I feel like I am living in upside down world.
Peggy Noonan has a really great article here. It’s a quick read but it says so much. You will definitely here more of this in the near future.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110010148&mod=RSS_Opinion_Journal&ojrss=frontpage