Wow, the last Bush believer.

I didn’t think any still existed.

So sad.

“I guess for the umpteenth time we have to remind the immigration hypochondriacs that the 9-11 attackers WERE HERE LEGALLY!!!”

Wrong – Five of the 19 were illegal aliens, including the ringleader Mohammed Atta. Enforcing out immigration laws would have probably stopped 9-11. However, the deeper point is that all 19 were ineligible for visas to come to the United States under existing law. Why did they get visa? Because Bush will not enforce our immigration laws under any circumstances.

“The immigration issue has created a fissure because the far right, who have a lot of what they want in the Bush bill”

Wrong – Rasmussen polling has show that the vast majority of Americans oppose the Senate bill, not just the far right. Why? Because the demand border security and they believe that this bill won’t provide it.

Wrong – There is virtually nothing of substance in this bill for the large majority of Americans who want real immigration reform. “Boob bait for bubba” is what the supposed reforms amount to. But don’t worry, the Amnesty is instant and brutally real.

“This bill finally makes deportation a punishment for committing violent crimes, including DUI’s. Right now you cannot deport someone for the commission of a violent crime. You can only deport them for being here illegally.”

Wrong – Legal aliens have been deportable for serious crimes for decades. Illegal aliens have always been deportable. You know nothing about immigration law.

“In fact, the hypochondriacs would let the status quo remain, with criminal immigrants staying in country, because they want more punishment on those workers who do not have a criminal background.”

Wrong – Criminal immigrants do stay in this country in vast numbers because Bush and friends refuse to enforce out existing laws. Check out the facts. We already have the laws to deport these people. They are ignored.

“Right now we cannot hold employers accountable to any real level because there is no repository to check if a worker is a valid immigrant worker.”

Wrong – We already have a mechanism for detecting the use of fraudulent employment documents. It is called the Social Security “no match” system. However, Bush allows corporations to massively cheat. Some companies have a 1000 workers using the same SSN. Others are allowed to submit SSNs with all zeros. How exactly is the Amnesty bill going to change that?

“And the best aspect of all is the guest worker program – where not a soul is eligible to become a US citizen”

Wrong – To quote from the agricultural/immigration economist, Philip Martin, “there is nothing more permanent than a temporary worker”. They won’t go home after two years, they will simply become part of the next wave of illegal aliens.

To be blunt you appear to know almost nothing about immigration law or how our laws are not enforced.

You are also ignorant of the terrible impact that ordinary illegal aliens (the ones who are not terrorists and violent criminals) are having on our country.

The Senate bill rewards law-breakers and does nothing to improve actually border security. Don’t believe me? Read it. I have. If the sponsors actually thought that this bill would stop illegal immigration, then the Amnesty would come last and the border security first. However, they know that the only provision that will ever have any effect is the Amnesty which is why the Amnesty is immediate and the rest is a fiction.

Don’t kid yourself and don’t try to fool the American people. This is an Amnesty First, and Amnesty Only bill. Don’t believe me? Read the first sentence of the bill.

First of all, she is not the POTUS and can’t fill his shoes.
And her brain does not operate on a level anywhere near his even though she thinks her brain is supreme, better, whatever?

This article of hers is the second one that really ticked me off! It reeks of sophisticated snobbery because she knows how to use words to cut someone down in a Miss Manners style. As if she is operating on some level that is beyond our President – a level that he couldn’t possibly understand. All nonsense of course.

Such pride from a has-been. No longer important except in her mind.
Hiding behind words that she put out there in the public’s eye.
I also sense a religious snobbery – perhaps a judging of morals and so-called superior religious knowledge.

I’m really tired of the cesspool of Washington and the talking heads who think we are a bunch of dunderheads out here in America.
I believe in President Bush and trust his judgement.
I don’t trust or believe in most politicians or the people who think they run this country.

Keep up the good work and don’t let the cut and run, no honor or loyalty people get you down. They’re just plain wrong. They will pass away and President George Bush will, in ages to come be given the honor he deserves for saving our country.

I am relieved to know I am not your parent, but miffed that you don’t think me superior. As for the friends issue… don’t be so sure until you’ve tasted my Penne a la Vodka.

How does that balance exactly?

In the last several threads on this topic multiple specific objections , not generalities or pablum rejection as implied, but still our specific questions go unanswered.

Read back the thread if you have to.

You can’t stop yourself from personal attacks, can you? You do it without even realizing that you do it.

The personal attacks have been flying for several years now… and were begun by Far Rightists intent upon whipping up an issue to advance a private agenda which is becoming clearer and clearer to average people. For many moons, this crowd has inundated the airwaves with allegedly all-consuming, Armageddon-level, Life or Death stats, threats, loaded language & bumper sticker phrases, and scary scenarios that lie just over the horizon should we fail to heed their warnings and drink of their draconian bromides.

If you feel insulted, it may be because you are as emotionally entangled with the less visible agenda items as Peggy obviously is. I was there for awhile too. It really helps to turn off the noise and use your own powers of observation to see if the sky is falling, or if the invading hordes are really poised to capture D.C. within weeks.

What is up with all of the personal attacks? Is this some new strategy for convincing people this is a good piece of legislation? Do they really think that strategy will work?????

If you want to convince me this is a good piece of legislation, I have a suggestion. Talk about the bill and be specific. Quote section and page number. Tell me why those sections are good for our Country.

Don’t hurl insults. Don’t call me a hardliner or hypocrite or deranged. That isn’t going to convince me that this is a good bill. And I rather doubt it is going to convince anyone else. It also reflects poorly on those doing the name calling. You aren’t helping the cause of the bill, and you aren’t helping yourselves either.

This column of hers is a bit more organized — or honest at least — and she is getting closer and closer to fully exposing her Bush Derangement affliction and her real agenda which is… what, exactly? Not sure, but she means to tear the whole mess down and build Peggy’s World for her new pals in Conservative La La Land. (What a partying Wonder Bread & Elevator Music place that’ll be, huh?) I do give Peggy credit for coming forth as a “broken” spirit (really a RINO as you point out). I disagree with her completely, but I wish her well on her trip to that wonderful new place where all is calm and well, and no one ever disrupts Peggy’s fragile sensibilities.