Jun 02 2007
O’Reilly Goes Too Far
Bill O’Reilly has become another example of the far right, Immigration Hypochondriacs running into the sewer because they have lost their minds and the argument on the comprehensive immigration bill supported by large majorities since it includes both border protection and a guest worker program. Jerks like O’Reilly cannot tolerate the guest worker program with fines and back taxes due as punishment for working here without documentation. And this intolerance is seen in their immature and hateful nativist comments, like what just spewed out of O’Reilly’s big mouth:
Bill O’Reilly asserted that the proposed immigration reform bill is supported by “people who hate America, and they hate it because it’s run primarily by white, Christian men. Let me repeat that. America is run primarily by white, Christian men, and there is a segment of our population who hates that, despises that power structure.” He continued: “So they, under the guise of being compassionate, want to flood the country with foreign nationals, unlimited, unlimited, to change the complexion — pardon the pun — of America. Now, that’s hatred, too.”
As a white, now non-practicing Christian man I can only say this: Forget You O’Reilly. Clearly you are insecure about people of color being too close to you. Similarly to how the Nazis hated the Jews for poisoning the German culture, too many on the right spew this garbage about polluting our country out of fear of having to deal with people of other cultures. And they call us Un-American. What an ugly and pathetic comment.
Addendum: OK, I cleaned up the text and the HTML – since I was trying to spill this post out fast so my family could go to downtown Herndon and see the fireworks and left it pretty mangled. And after reading O’Reilly’s full text I find less offensive – but only barely. The fact is O’Reilly was trying to include the far left as supporters of the current Bill – which they are not. La Raza and the other far left groups do not like this bill because it eliminates the citizenship option for temporary workers and requires the background checks to eliminate the criminal element. So instead of being 100% irritated with O’Reilly I am 98% irritated because the guy simply used a lie to try and scare people from supporting the Bill. In a classic race baiting move reminiscent of the Dubai Ports fiasco O’Reilly must have been trying to reach our collective inner Klansman. Thankfully not very many people would fall for such a mob-mobilizing stunt. Sadly enough do. I wonder how many opponent of the guest worker program (which has limits on the numbers allowed, requires maximum stays, has that tamper-proof IDz with an expiration date to get jobs, and no option to apply for citizenship) will take O’Reilly to task for this?
AJ, I hate to be the one to mention it….but are you sure you are not indulging in an equal level of immaturity?
Again, I have to ask you, AJ, what back taxes? Are you still hanging on to the “back tax” provision that the President insisted be removed? Or are you talking about the three of five years back taxes that has been removed? And again, I ask, how is a person who makes $15,600. a year going to pay $5,000 in fines? How long before the Dhimmicrats and the ACLU step up to the plate and determine that fine to be “oppressive” and “racist”?
And when are you going to argue the bill on it’s merits and not what you think it will acheive?
AJ — you might want to fix your HTML. Your link begins with one type of quote and ends with another. People can’t see what you’re on about.
I did a “View Source Code” and got this from your post:
Just trying to help. =)
AJ, I have been watching Oreilly on this bill and call me crazy, but he has NOT been opposing it. He has commented on the fight over it many times but he still wants the guest worker program and thinks the bill can be fixed. I don’t happen to agree with him on that. But he has not said the thing should be scraped altogether.
Also, I thinks it a little odd that you would find him wrong on what he said in this tape for a couple of reasons. White men are the only people in this country who it is not only legal but required to discriminate against! Remember Affirmative Action??? So there is something to that about liberals being anti-white male. And the Christian church would do well to get the favorable consideration that Islam is getting in our schools and colleges and sometimes in our newsrooms. Catholicism is brutalized by the same people who kabuki dance around the violence of islam all the time. So I think he has some valid points.
Funny this should come up today. This afternoon I ran into old friends I had not seen in a long time. We had done art shows together for years. Good Christian people who practiced what they believed but where a little too left leaning politically for my tastes. But none the less, they were honest, hard working and never had a harsh word for anyone. They worked for years (about 15, I think) to have a baby and about 10 years ago had a little girl. They did not want to raise her alone so they decided to adopt. For what ever reason (known only to them) they adopted an 8 year old girl, orphaned, from Ethiopia. I ask them how hard was it rasing a black child being themselves white. Sally (not her real name) laughed and told me that they had a lot of surprises when they adopted the child. The community they are in is pretty mixed and a mid-sized town. She said that all the people from their church that was white were really wonderful and took to the girl like a duck takes to water. She said the problems came from the black sector. Black church members told them to their faces that they had no right to adopt a black child and that they were going to ruin the child’s life because they could not teach her how to be “black”.
I think my friend gave the best answer to that anyone could; she said she told them “no, I cannot teach her how to be black, but I can teach her how to be American.”
Racism is a two way street. It is assumed that if you are a minority, you are incapable of being racist. This couple found out differently. They lost black friends (whom I do not really consider to have been their friends under the circumstances) because they adopted a black orphan from a proverty nation to give her a home and a future.
My hat is off to this couple.
I just wanna know who captured AJ and how much are we gonna have to pay to get him back.
Capture AJ!!! That’s laugh, Judging by the mood of his posts, I would say that trying to capture him would be sticking your hand into a hornets nest!
Aj, Sorry to have to tell you this but the support for this bill is only in congress. The majority of the people don’t support this and their elected representatives are ignoring them to their detriment. I think the base would support a guest worker program, some day, after and only after congress and the federal government have done what they have been incapable of doing for the last 43 years. Prove that they have secured the border.
AJ: man, I’ve told you and I’ve told you and I’ve told you; and you still are not listening!
You’re so in love with your analysis, you have now just completely lost it!
You’re so emotionally tied up in your own position, that you can’t face facts, you can’t quote the bill, you can’t discuss things, you can’t asnwer questions rationally; you are now just floundering around, trying to tie every single post you make, no matter how tangentially, no matter how inconsequential, into your position!
You’ve gone beyond “loving your own analysis”; you are now infatuated AJ!
AJ, you’re starting to damage your credibility now; I”m asking you, as someone who likes you, and respects you, and likes your Blog; I’m asking you to stop this, and discuss it rationally!
You have the power of the “red pen” here AJ, like in High School, remember that? That’s a hold you have over us AJ, it’s your Blog.
With that “power” AJ, comes responsibility, and that responsibility is to stop acting like this AJ!
Stop ignoring the questions, stop posting the “back at ya'” and “gotcha posts”, stop floundering like a drowning man, trying to keep his head up by grabbing onto a straw; it’s unbecoming AJ; and you’re not only a Smarter person than that, you’re a BETTER person than that!
AJ: let me followup by saying, NONE of the “regulars” here, me, LE, Apache, Bikerken, R05, no one I”m SURE wants to fight or argue with you; no one wants to make you mad, no one enjoys this.
People are trying to have a DISCUSSION with you AJ; and instead of answering questions, you’re just lumping us all in withever, attacking us, ignoring the LEGITIMATE questions we have, and posting more and more attacks that are really, frankly, beneath you!
I don’t understand it AJ; I know you are a compassionate, caring, intelligence man, from the things you post on all the time; we “get it” that you care about the “party” , and about the ability of to be competitive in future elections; but that’s not good enough of a reason, to support a very flawed bill, that needs work!
If you would LISTEN, to what we are all saying, instead of attacking us, and asnwer some questions, it would go a long way to cooling things down!
A few more notes
“I guess for the umpteenth time we have to remind the immigration hypochondriacs that the 9-11 attackers WERE HERE LEGALLY!!!â€
Wrong – Five of the 19 were illegal aliens, including the ringleader Mohammed Atta. Enforcing out immigration laws would have probably stopped 9-11. However, the deeper point is that all 19 were ineligible for visas to come to the United States under existing law. Why did they get visa? Because Bush will not enforce our immigration laws under any circumstances.
“The immigration issue has created a fissure because the far right, who have a lot of what they want in the Bush billâ€
Wrong – Rasmussen polling has show that the vast majority of Americans oppose the Senate bill, not just the far right. Why? Because the demand border security and they believe that this bill won’t provide it.
Wrong – There is virtually nothing of substance in this bill for the large majority of Americans who want real immigration reform. “Boob bait for bubba†is what the supposed reforms amount to. But don’t worry, the Amnesty is instant and brutally real.
“This bill finally makes deportation a punishment for committing violent crimes, including DUI’s. Right now you cannot deport someone for the commission of a violent crime. You can only deport them for being here illegally.â€
Wrong – Legal aliens have been deportable for serious crimes for decades. Illegal aliens have always been deportable. You know nothing about immigration law.
“In fact, the hypochondriacs would let the status quo remain, with criminal immigrants staying in country, because they want more punishment on those workers who do not have a criminal background.â€
Wrong – Criminal immigrants do stay in this country in vast numbers because Bush and friends refuse to enforce out existing laws. Check out the facts. We already have the laws to deport these people. They are ignored.
“Right now we cannot hold employers accountable to any real level because there is no repository to check if a worker is a valid immigrant worker.â€
Wrong – We already have a mechanism for detecting the use of fraudulent employment documents. It is called the Social Security “no match†system. However, Bush allows corporations to massively cheat. Some companies have a 1000 workers using the same SSN. Others are allowed to submit SSNs with all zeros. How exactly is the Amnesty bill going to change that?
“And the best aspect of all is the guest worker program – where not a soul is eligible to become a US citizenâ€
Wrong – To quote from the agricultural/immigration economist, Philip Martin, “there is nothing more permanent than a temporary workerâ€. They won’t go home after two years, they will simply become part of the next wave of illegal aliens.
To be blunt you appear to know almost nothing about immigration law or how our laws are not enforced.
You are also ignorant of the terrible impact that ordinary illegal aliens (the ones who are not terrorists and violent criminals) are having on our country.
The Senate bill rewards law-breakers and does nothing to improve actually border security. Don’t believe me? Read it. I have. If the sponsors actually thought that this bill would stop illegal immigration, then the Amnesty would come last and the border security first. However, they know that the only provision that will ever have any effect is the Amnesty which is why the Amnesty is immediate and the rest is a fiction.
Don’t kid yourself and don’t try to fool the American people. This is an Amnesty First, and Amnesty Only bill. Don’t believe me? Read the first sentence of the bill.
Jerks like O’Reilly??? Stop the screeching name calling. I never miss O’Reilly and I don’t know what you’ve seen but he is not against a guest worker program, You don’t even say what you disagree with him about, just screeching name calling. but it doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t for a guest worker program, He has the right to an opinion. That’s what the Revolutionary War was about, that’s what the civil war was about, that’s what WW1 and WW2 was about. A lot of people have spilled blood on American military uniforms to give you the right to have this blog, to have an opinion and to state an opinion, without being called a jerk. Bill O’Reilly has the right to his opinion and to state that opinion without being called a jerk. Is anyone with a differing opinion a jerk or just ones that have a different opinion than yours, a jerk? We, as stated above have been loyal regular readers of your blog for a long time. I have been with you more than a year, I would guess close to your origins, but I have not been a loyal reader to read your incoherent screeching name calling. Have you had a breakdown or something? Are you under unusual pressure at work or something? Are you conducting an experiment to see how many people you can offend?
I hope you come back down to earth soon, as reasonable as you’ve always been, I just don’t understand how you’ve just completely flipped out on this subject. Just because I disagree with your opinion on it, I’m not going to call you a name, because I respect your blog and your opinion, I just disagree with it and it doesn’t make me a jerk either. ( and I’m not saying you’ve said I was a jerk) Anyhow, come back to earth.
FE, like I have told you and Dale before, all politics are personal. AJ is no exception to that rule.
Do you remember how he complained because the illegals in his town were violating housing rules about occupancy? I sure do. I pay taxes to the state of Texas and consider it my state because I have a vested interest in it through my taxes. But someone like me is a “hypochrondriac”, “far right wing” and any other thing you can label a person you have no argument against because I object to the fact that illegals violate the housing rules of my state.
I don’t know what is going on here. A once rational blogger has seemily jumped the shark. I don’t want to get into a pi$$ing contest with AJ, I just want him to argue his points on the bill itself and on the face of the bill. I think he realizes he can’t do that. The bill, on it’s face, has no defense. It is an anmesty plan that will only encourage further illegal immigration.
Perhaps AJ has a strong personal investment in this bill. I don’t know. I do know that he has now reached the point of no return.
This is a quote from AJ on the illegal alien issue, from a diff thread.
No more conservative coaltion until the far right starts respecting others.
I guess saying FU O’Reilly and Jerks like O’Reilly is the standard we’re to aspire to?
I think Dale is onto something about AJ stubbornly refusing to budge from his “analysis” on immigration and this bad bill. AJ misunderstood what happened in Nov-06 and, like the NY Times, cherry picks poll answers to fit his position. A sober reading of the polls clearly shows big majority want secured borders first and foremost, then we deal with the illegals already here. Plucking one question about supporting “comprhensive” reform (do the respondents even know what that means?) does not change the fact of the former — border security first. So, AJ can remain disingenuous or ignorant, and sling mud while accusing others of same, but that doesn’t change reality.
On this issue it’s a no-brainer, I’ll take Krauhammer’s cogent diagnosis over AJ’s stubborn rants. Now I got a basketball game to watch … go Pistons.
Retire05 yes I remember that, it was kinda real personal then, and I got my mind refreshed on it today after reviewing the illegal immigration archives, at AJ’s suggestion. It was quite revealing. It would’ve been helpful had there been footnotes on what context to interpret them in, but whatever.
While everyone is attacking AJ did you see the alleged quotes. Yall agree with that. Yall think there is some plot to change the complexion of America. Yall thin Bush hates “white Christian men” that run America as Bill says.
It seems to me that AJ is right to be alarmed
I am sorry but we have a tad more to go off than polls. We have real elections. Have yall looked at the borderstates where this was issue number1. Look at Arizona for goodness sakes. People once they know is in the bill might like it more.
DOes everyone know the BIll in the Senate is still a work in progress ?
Anyway those comments by Bill if true are absurd if true.
This is the comment I don’t understand from AJ’s Redundant Right post: “BTW Dems, this is a good opportunity to get a second look from conservatives. Consider how damaging purity movements are to governing coalitions.”
I’m really confused by this. Krauthammer is not a raging Rush Limbaugh, Oreilly is not even a conservative on most social issues, heck he is the epitome of an independent centrist. Why the extreme anger at these two just because they say something that goes against this immigration bill? Are you leaving the independant party AJ and going over to the left over this issue? You’ve hurled some real anger at the GOP over this and the Dems aren’t for it either?!? WTF?
Yeah, I am sure confused, usually when I hear someone arguing shrilly based all on emotions and NEVER confroting logic or fact, I know I’m talking to a life long democrat. But I don’t think AJ is a democrat, he claims to be a conservative independant. That’s fine, but true centrists rarily, if ever get there dander up like this. That’s why they are usually centrists. They tend not to side with one ideology or another, or don’t really pick a side because they are not as fervent about their politics.
I think that the truth is everyone really knows that this bill is as important as it really is and they all know that it will have an unprecedented level of effect on the United States. And I think we all know pretty much what that effect will be. Some are for it and some are against it but the belief in the profound effect is why everyone is fighting so hard for or against it. This is a very quite, very subtle, very low level civil conflict with a whole lot at stake.
FE, you can’t complain because illegals are violating the housing standards in your town and then when others complain about the things that illegals do (like my link to the sex offences commited by illegals and their attitude toward such crimes) label them [insert derogatory name here] because they have similar complaints.
Hell, I don’t agree with O’Reilly all the time. But I do give him credit for trying to be honest with his opinions and stating why he feels the way he does.
All this talk of “going to the back of the line” is just so much smoke and mirrors. Being at the back of the line is waiting 13 years in Nigeria or Ethiopia for permission to enter the U.S. It is not being here working, utilitizing the system and reaping all the benefits of living in a free nation while you send 90% of your earnings back to your native land.
We know that immigration is supposed to be designed to assist the host nation, not the immigrant. We know that we can only take so many into this nation as we are rapidly running out of room. The westward expansion is complete. We know that people with less than a high school edcuation are a net drain on the economy. Yet our elected officials seem determined to import a whole new segment of proverty level citizens who will NEVER contribute more, or even equal to, what they receive from the system.
I asked; who would you rather have here, one million strawberry pickers or one Ph.D. who could invent a strawberry harvester that would be built in factories that would provide jobs for Americans?
Republicans did not lose in ’06 because of illegal immigration; they lost because a) there became no difference between tax and spend Democrats and tax and spend Republicans and b) because the Democrats (Rahm Emmanuel in particular) pushed moderate Democratic candidates and played on Republican scandals. Immigration was not a key factor in the last election.
All the vitriol is going nowhere. It gains nothing. Honest, and open, debate of the issues is what is needed.
Sure, I feel sorry for those who come from socialist nations to the south. But I also feel sorry for the millions in Darfur who are suffering. But we cannot take in the world. And to cave to the demands of our neighbor to the south is plain lunacy.
biglsusportsfan, well, I have three grandchildren that are currently students at LSU so I have to be a fan also.
But, I focused so much on the screeching name calling aspect, that I forgot to even say that. No, Bill O’Reilly did not say that was his position on that issue. He said it is the position of the NY Times.
Bill is a show host and as such, all issues he discusses are not necessarily his opinion, sometimes he just participates in discussing subjects and that was the case with this. He was discussing a story or editorial in the NY Times. So AJ’s rant went off on the wrong tangent, criticizing him just because the subject was discussed on his show.