Jun 06 2007
I Agree With Reid
End the debacle on immigration reform now. GOP: we have heard all your posturing, your chicken little stories, your demeaning comments. We realize the immigration hypochondriacs have declared the end of common ground for the conservative coalition which brought the Congress and Presidency into GOP hands. Fine. End it. Stop with the lame amendments. Vote up or down. The GOP now owns the immigration issue and the result we will be stuck with for the next decade or more. Ried is right. The GOP is stalling and we are getting nowhere. Kill it or pass it. You want fixes, add them later. Take responsibility GOP. You own this issue and the fate of it. No whining. Just a gut check vote. Leave us with the same mess and destroy conservatism for years to come or suck it up and act like a true coalition partner where you give some to get some. Time to test your mettle.
One thing I would like to see changed is to modify the guest worker quota so that if say for example 60,000 don’t go home after their 2 year stay that the next years quota is reduced by the same amount to offset the overstays.
AJ
Rasmussen did ask the question. The results were as follows.
Forty-nine percent (49%) of voters prefer no bill over the Senate bill. Just 32% prefer the legislative compromise over inaction.
Here is the question he asked.
Which would be better for the country, passing the immigration reform bill or not passing any immigration reform bill at this time?
Here is the answer to the question.
Passing Immigration Reform Bill
32%
Not Passing Any Immigration Reform Bill at this time
49%
Note the poll was of LIKELY voters.
Sen Cornyn gave this example.
His amendment would prohibit people that ‘had failed to register as sex offenders’ from receiving a Z visa (which would give them permanent residency status and a path to citizenship)
while the Kennedy amendment would still give those same persons a loophole (if their sentence had been plea bargained to less than six months) and they would be eligible for the Z visa.
Now get this distinction….. we are arguing over how long the convicted sex offender’s sentence was? No. We are arguing over whether they are really sex offenders? No. We are only arguing over whether they failed to register as a convicted sex offender? Yes. What the hell? They are a convicted sex offender on a minor person and they are still eligible. Yep, unless they did the unforgivable… failed to REGISTER. yep you got it folks. They don’t CARE if they are convicted sex offenders. They just gotta register.
Hey, but that’s just more chicken little for a hypochondriac
I say the BILL IS PERFECT …STFU and VOTE !
NOW ! NO MORE DEBATE !!!!
I wonder why AJ won’t answer mu posts on this thread.
hmmmmmmm………………….
AJ
Read the numbers again, the LOWEST support is in the center NOT the right or left.
If you read Kos, most the objections are the same gaps that need to be fixed we are talking about here.
So ALL are recognizing the shortcomings and begging for them to be fixed.
AJ, you live in reality? Nope, you don’t. Your state has less than 3% illegals.
I live in reality where illegals are between 8-10% of the population. You want reality? Move to the battle zone.
One other thing; if you are so damn sure of your position, I am sure you will have no problem with providing us opposing arguments to the Border Patrol, Jeff Sessions and everyone else who sees this as a travesty.
No name calling allowed, just simple arguments for this bill.
We will be waiting.
JWB said, “Sometimes a slip of the tongue can reveal great truth”
Did anybody catch what John McCain said in the debates last night, it slipped out at the end of an immigration statement, he said, “But America is still the land of opportunity and it is a beacon of hope and liberty, and as Ronald Reagan said, a shining city on a hill. And we’re not going to erect barriers and fences.” Let him repeat that, “WE’RE NOT GOING TO ERECT BARRIERS AND FENCES.”
So can we please drop the charade about this not being an open borders bill.
The only reason Harry Reid, Mr. land deal himself, wants to stop debate on the bill is the same reason he wanted to shoot it through without anyone seeing what was in it to begin with, he doesn’t want people to know what’s in it. They are making changes so fast, the press can hardly keep up with them. This is not the way laws are supposed to be made in America.
R05,
My region is higher than yours in immigrants. Another thing you got wrong in a long list of wrongs. Look up Herndon VA
I’m still asking….who and how will a bill acceptable to all get through the senate and house now?
Herndon VA? I had looked up Reality, VA. misunderstood I guess.
Cornyn amendment got defeated, so it’s official, if the bill passes….No Felons Left Behind, even convicted sex offenders “that have not registered as sex offenders” against minors.
We’re doing a good thing here, making a PERFECT bill even more perfect….
VOTE NOT ! VOTE OFTEN !
NO FELONS LEFT BEHIND is now the official policy of the Senate.
geez, correction VOTE NOW
I don’t know why my keyboard won’t correct things like that.
From Drudge, how did they say it?
The close vote on a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar felons—including those court-ordered to be deported—from legalization reflected the delicate position of the contentious immigration bill, which remains under threat from the right and the left.
So we don’t want to bar felons—including those court-ordered to be deported—from legalization?
So that’s the bill AJ is backing….
I know it’s off topic but we should take a moment to remember what this day meant back in 1944, what was done by our brave soldiers, and why.
I don’t agree with Harry Reid or Ted Kennedy on much of anything. Most of these guys are never going to see the problems caused by their actions because they are so old, they don’t buy green bananas. look at Ted ‘Portrait of Dorian Gray’ Kennedy, he has had a hatred for America all of his life. I think he’s getting blood transfusions of Keith Richards old blood just to stay alive.
These guys should be looking down the road to whats best for our children and this country’s future. I don’t think this steaming pile of legislation is in any way going to make anything better.
Funny that AJ never responded to Ordi’s post about how the Rasmussen Poll did pose the question AJ wanted. Of course, the result was exactly opposite of what AJ thought it would be (Q – this bill or nothing? nothing favored by almost 2-1), which is not surprising to most of us because AJ is in minority & cherry-picking and spinning.
Ivehadit — if common-sense amendments are being shot down, then nothing is better.