Jun 08 2007

Diyala Is Turning On al-Qaeda

Published by at 9:16 am under All General Discussions,Diyala,Iraq

George Bush could end his presidency on a surprising high note: success in Iraq. Of course the Bush haters left and right will do all they can to pillory the man. But the facts could tell a very different story if things keep moving the direction they are going in Diyala Province – the last large stronghold of al-Qaeda.

U.S. forces have begun arming nationalist guerrillas and former Saddam Hussein loyalists — and coordinating tactics — in a marriage of convenience against al Qaeda radicals in one of Iraq’s most violent provinces, senior U.S. commanders tell CNN.

This new alliance, a result of the deepening divisions among Iraqi insurgent factions, was on display earlier this week at a highway intersection in the town of Tahrir. There, a group of some 15 insurgents publicly chanted: “Death to al Qaeda.”

Death to al-Qaeda! Imagine that. Too bad we don’t have video of that to show on the evening news. That would be a nice chunk of crow to serve up for the Surrendercrats and the SurrenderMedia. It must be really starting to turn because this story is from one of the big SurrenderMedia outlets: CNN.

This result was actually just a matter of time. Why? Because of the nature of our enemy:

“The al Qaeda organization has dominated and humiliated Sunnis, Shiites and jihadis. It has forced people from their homes. They can’t get enough blood. They killed many honest scholars, preachers and loyal mujahedeen,” one of the group’s spokesmen read from a written manifesto.

Nationalist insurgents say al Qaeda excesses are behind their falling-out. Several sources said al Qaeda members burned a 7-year-old child alive and murdered women and other children in the towns and villages around the provincial capital of Baquba. They did not give names or dates to back up their claims.

This is why George Bush is actually a much greater leader than those who snipe at him from Congress and elsewhere. Bush has shown perseverance and determination in this matter. al-Qaeda is an Islamo Fascist organization. The only difference between them and the Nazis is the rationalization for the bloodthirst and the language they speak. And make no mistake, this is an Iraq-wide phenomena happening:

The changing strategy isn’t just confined to Diyala, according to U.S. officials. Gen. David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, told CNN Thursday that tribal forces in Anbar, the restive Sunni province west of the Iraqi capital, have “decided to oppose al Qaeda and fight with the coalition forces against them.”

“What’s taken place in Anbar is almost breathtaking,” he said. “In the last several months, tribes that turned a blind eye to what al Qaeda was doing in that province are now opposing al Qaeda very vigorously. And the level of violence in Anbar has plummeted, although there clearly is still work to be done.”

Victory is not assured, any more than it was in WW II after the invasion at Normandy. But we are on a path that is headed in that direction. And Bush, the great conservative, could go down in history overshadowing all those petty critics who snipe at him from the left and the right. Bush does something few people can muster. He accomplishes things. If he accomplishes his plan for Iraq the world will owe him a debt of gratitude. And a lot of people will owe him an apology.

26 responses so far

26 Responses to “Diyala Is Turning On al-Qaeda”

  1. stevevvs says:

    Let’s hope so. I have many concerns due to studying Islam, the Quaran,The Hadith, Sharia Law, Islamic History, etc. But I am cautiously Optomistic. I won’t bother to raise my concerns, because if you don’t have a good knowledge of Islamic History and Traditions, you won’t understand. Let’s pray it works and leave it at that.

    Bush does something few people can muster. He accomplishes things.

    A few for sure.
    Tax Cuts!!
    Expanding Medicare
    McCain/Feingold
    Government Growth unsurpased by any of his predisesors
    Good Judicial Appointments
    Taking on Terrorists
    Failing to pass Social Security Reform
    Failing to Secure The Border
    Failing to get the 623,000 abscounders outa here

    It’s a mixed bag, if you were honest about it.

    But an A for effort!

  2. kathie says:

    If you want a true list of the Bush accomplishments read The Anchoress. There are few politicians with courage. Bush is one.

  3. kathie says:

    If you want a true list of the Bush accomplishments read The Anchoress. There are few politicians with courage. Bush is one.

  4. Soothsayer says:

    Hello, AJ! Success in Iraq??

    Man, I rarely indulge before noon – but would somebody pass that Kool-Aid over this way – this must be a great batch.

    If success in Iraq were merely defeating al-Qaeda it would be one thing. But al-Qaeda’s avowed purpose – AND METHOD – is to engage the US around the world and bleed it by the death of 1,000 cuts.

    Osama bin Laden – still at least the figurehead leader of al-Qaeda, made this astonisingly clear in his many statements about his global jihad. Based on the template created in Afghanistan against the Soviets – and using our dollars and weapons – the Mujah were able to defeat the Soviet Union by draining resources through asymmetric warfare.

    This is exactly what they have done in Iraq – thanks to Bush’s ill-advised decision to invade. The US has tied up 150,000 troops; we’ve spent hundred of billions of dollars; we’ve lost 3,500 troops and countless wounded – and the hidden costs of providing for those wounded will continue for 40-50 years. The total potential costs of this war are over 2 trillion dollars. Enough to fund Social Security for the next 75 years. And its been wasted on a rat hole in the desert.

    Al-Qaeda is the LEAST of our problems in Iraq – representing a small percentage (maybe 5%) of the fighters. We also have Sunni insurgents; we’ve got the Shia militia. We have Iraqi police setting roadside bombs and killing US troops. We’ve got an entire Iraqi army infiltrated with tribal elements, who at any moment may be at each other’s throats. We’ve got a majority-Shia government that aligns itself with Iran and supports Shia insurgents in Lebanon and Palestine.

    We’ve got allies (the Turks) violating the territorial integrity of Iraq in order to go after the Kurds (our allies) in the north of Iraq. We’ve got Kurds blurring the boundaries between Iraq and Iran, and contributiing to the instability of the region.

    We’ve funded the world’s most expensive terrorist training ground – one that terrorists groups from around the globe use to send their young recruits to get experience in waging asymmetric war, e.g., the Taliban in Afghanistan is now using the shaped charge IED’s against US troops there.

    So let Diyala turn on al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda don’t care. The whole purpose of their presence in Iraq is to cause the US to expend far more resources in attempting to suppress al-Qaeda than al-Qaeda expends to trigger our responses. This is right out of Osama’s game plan – one he was kind enough to print and distribute BEFORE we ever got involved.

    Bush is like Charlie Brown trying to kick that football one more time. And al-Qaeda is Lucy, yanking the football out just prior to contact. All the feel good crap in the world from Gen. Petraeus is just window dressing.

    Once again – I urge you to read Imperial Hubris. It makes crystal clear what al-Qaeda’s intent is.

  5. DaleinAtlanta says:

    Once again, Soothsayer hits the Bong pipe, and comes out ……fuming!

    Proving once and for all, he gets his daily talking points straight from DU, TO, and MO.org, and that he neither understands, nor has a clue about the nature of the Jihadis, the threat they pose, nor the correct action to take!

    It’s hard to be consistantly incorrect, and just plain dead wrong 100% of the time Soothy, congrats, you do it very well!

  6. Soothsayer says:

    Dale – you’re the one who DOES NOT GET IT:

    Al-Qaeda does not want to rule Iraq. They do not want to govern. They want to cause trouble. They want to irritate us to the point where we expend resources to pursue them.

    By doing this – they believe they can – over the long term – sap our resources and energy – they way they exhausted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

    You tell me that’s not exactly what’s going on now.

    Read some books. Learn something.

  7. DaleinAtlanta says:

    Sooth: I’ve explained this to you before, but you have rention difficulties!

    I’ve FORGOTTEN more about Islam, Jihadies, the Middle East, etc., than YOU EVER knew!

    That’s not an Opinion, that’s a FACT!

    THIRTY years of living in the Middle East, studying Islam, studying Arabic, working there, living there, going to Univeristy there, being there in the Military, being there as a student, being there as a dependent, being there as a Civilian!

    If you can prove you’ve done more than that, let me know!

    I’ve literally written THOUSANDS of pages of “reports”, for various “audiences” on Islamic Fundalmentalism, over the past 30 years!

    Let me say it s….l…..o……w…….l…….y for you: YOU….DON’T…..HAVE……A……..CLUE!

    Your above “post”, and I use the word loosely, betrays that!

    It’s so idiotic, as to defy belief!

    “Al-Qaeda does not want to rule Iraq. ”

    Hmmmmmmmmmm, wow, is that YOUR “analysis”!

    Can I point you to the last FOUR HUNDRED declarations by Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the Islamic Army of Iraq, ad Naseum, that proclain Iraq as the capital of the Global Islamic Caliphate?

    Oh, I’m sorry, FACTS don’t exist in you’re world!

    ” they way they exhausted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.”

    “they” were NOT in Afghanistan, and did NOT “sap” anything of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

    You just plain DON’T KNOW YOUR HISTORY!

    The Mujahideen, resisted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, with Massive US and CIA help, arms, Stingers, 120MM mortars, etc.

    The ONLY reason they “won”, is a) because of what we provided, and b) because the Soviet Union, had been a paper tiger for years, and for years on the verge of economic and political collapse, because of Communism, etc.!

    The “Taliban” came from Pakistan, AFTER the Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan, and hence weren’t even part of the fight, FACT!

    And the so-called “Afghan Arab”, people like Bin Laden and Zawahiri, contributed very little to nothing, of the fight in Afghanistan, the Mujahideen hated them, and did their best to marginalize them, and contrary to Popular Leftist fiction, such as what you peddle, the US Government, and the CIA NEVER, and I repeat NEVER supplied Bin Laden, “Al Qaeda”, and the “Afghan Arabs” with arms, supplies, money, logistical support, nada!

    That came totally from the Pakistani Intelligence services, and the Saudis!

    The “Afghan Arabs”/Al Qaeda/Bin Laden/Zawahiri, live in a delusional fantasyland today, that THEY defeated the Soviet Union!

    NOTHING could be further from the truth, it was OUR support to the Afghanis/Mujahideen, that turned the tide; otherwise, they were toast; specifically, our introduction of Stingers and 120MM moatars to the Afghans: FACT!

    Sooth; reading ONE book, in your lifetime, “Imperial Hubris”; by one disaffected CIA “expert” who is so clueless, he actually enabled 9/11 to happen, does NOT make you an “expert”!

    It’ makes you a CLOWN, pretending to be an “expert”!

    GET A CLUE!

  8. Soothsayer says:

    Dale – you are a self-professed expert – functioning as an idiot. You can’t even understand English:

    it was OUR support to the Afghanis/Mujahideen, that turned the tide; otherwise, they were toast; specifically, our introduction of Stingers and 120MM moatars to the Afghans

    For crying out loud: my post said specifically that ” the Mujah were able to defeat the Soviets thru asymmetic warfare”. I never said bin Laden or the Arabs defeated the Soviets. I said the Mujad did. Learn to friggin’ read.

    But, bin Laden was in Afghanistan, he provided resources, and established networks that became al-Qaeda. And speaking of our support – in retrospect we would have been a whole lot smarter NOT to have supported the Muj – leading as it did to the Taliban government in Afghanistan AND the rise of al-Qaeda.

    You claim to know so much – how about citing one publication you have written – or were you just the low-level drone functionary your deprived vocabulary and ability to spell indicates. Further, if you’re such an EXPERT – why aren’t you in DC providing your great knowledge of Islam to the CIA – I understand they’re way short of Islamic speaking experts?

    You’re a fraud.

  9. DaleinAtlanta says:

    Soothsayer:

    Sigh……..

    It’s really sad when I have to CRUSH a clown, like you!

    But, my english is fine thank you, and as I will PROVE, right now, YOU are the FRAUD, and a LIAR!

    Here is YOUR “post”, your EXACT WORDS, QUOTED FOR YOU!

    “….Al-Qaeda does not want to rule Iraq. They do not want to govern. They want to cause trouble. They want to irritate us to the point where we expend resources to pursue them.

    By doing this – they believe they can – over the long term – sap our resources and energy – they way they exhausted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.”

    Now, let’s examine that in detail, shall we? Hmmmmmm????

    “….Al-Qaeda does not want to rule Iraq.
    Okay, pretty simple I guess?

    They do not want to govern.
    Hmmmm, I’m assuming, if you are writing in anything above 2nd grade english, which is doubtful, and if you are NOT a liar, then “they” refers to “Al Qaeda” from your first sentance; now, that is what a NORMAL person would infer, but of course, you are a Nutbag Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist, so I can’t be sure…

    They want to cause trouble.
    Okay, same comments, same inferences!

    They want to irritate us to the point where we expend resources to pursue them.
    Okay, same here!

    By doing this – they believe they can – over the long term – sap our resources and energy – they way they exhausted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.”

    There is FOUR “they”‘s in that sentance; it’s clearly obvious, that the third “they”, even though YOU don’t know it, is a kindergarden-level spelling mistake, and should be “the”, but I also type fast as well sometimes, and make typing mistakes as well, so I won’t excoriate you for that.

    But, for the Fourth “they”, that is CLEARLY referring to the subject from the VERY FIRST sentance, which was also VERY CLEARLY “Al Qaeda! AT NO POINT after that, in ANY sentance, do you EVER change the context of the Subject from the First sentence, which is “Al Qaeda”, to any other Subject, to include “the Mujah”!

    So, fact is, YOU are a Fraud and a Liar!

    Point PROVEN, beyond ALL DOUBT!

    Now, in your FIRST post, you did say “the Mujah”; but NOWHERE in the second post, did you do that, and you CLEARLY freely interchanged “Al Qaeda” and “they”, to infer the SAME THING!

    The reason you did that, in the second post, is because in your Leftist mind, you actually didn’t KNOW the difference between the so-called “mujah”, as you call them, and Al Qaeda!

    By mistake, you got it correct in the first post; but your second post CLEARLY shows, you have NO IDEA what you were talking about, UNTIL I POINTED IT OUT!

    Secondly, I’ve studied Arabic, and I don’t know what the term “Mujah” means??

    Now, there is a “Mujahid”, a “struggler” is the correct english translation, which the American press has turned into “freedom fighter”, that is a SINGULAR transliteration of the Arabic word. Which by the way, which should be interesting for your Dhimmitudist Leftist mind, comes from the Arabic Root Word “JIHAD”!

    There is also “Mujahideen” or other varients, in English, depending upon which version of Arabic you are translating, and what transliteration standard you are utilizing, and that is the PLURAL version of “Mujahid”, which thus means “strugglers” or, as the Western Press has said “freedom fighterS”!

    But there NO term in Arabic “mujah”; whatever that means!

    Anyone misusing a term like that, is clearly and uneducated person, ignorant in Arabic, Islam, and all the associated permutations; who has probably read only one or two ignorantly sourced books, and who is trying to post as a “Blog-ert”! i.e. someone who doesn’t know shit, but tries to pretend they do, on a Blog, because their only source is GOOGLE!

    Oh, wait, I’m sorry, I just described YOU!

    So, I kindly suggest, that YOU learn to read, English as well as Arabic, before you expose your already vulnerable ass, and attempt to debate me, on a subject on which you are CLEARLY out of your depth in!

    I also clearly pointed out, that your Leftist interpretation of history is incorrect (sotto voce) “as if that’s a surprise???”

    Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, and the support by the US/CIA to the Mujaheen did NOT lead to the rise of either Al Qaeda nor the Taliban!

    It was the Support provided to Bin Laden, and the Taliban, by the Pakistani Intelligence Services, and the financial support provided by the Saudis, and the Saudi and Egyptian Governments’ tacit approval of letting their Islamically inclined disaffected youth, take off to Afghanistan for Jihad, so they wouldn’t be a threat to in the future, that lead to the rise of Al Qaeda and the Taliban: FACT!

    As to the rest of your Bong induced ramblings, as to what do I do, and where I have done it, and where I have written, and that I’m fraud!, etc., etc.!

    When you get a TS/Codeword Security Clearance, you let me know, and only THEN will I’ll point you in the correct direction!

    I would humbly suggest, as you clearly have demonstrated that you have no clue, that you for at least a nanosecond, let it seep thru that granite cerebellum, you call a “brain”, that you literally have NO IDEA where I am, what I do, what I have done, and what I have written, who I have advised, who I’m in contact with on a daily basis, and what I will be doing in the future!

    I’ve fried many a pitiful Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftists, just like you, over this very same argument, and ALL HAVE LOST!

    Ahhhh……the smell of Toasted Leftist on the morning air, I LOVE IT!

  10. DaleinAtlanta says:

    …okay, by the way, you got me, I consistently, when I’m typing fast, misspell “sentence” as “sentance”!

    ouch, but other than that, you’re TOASTED!

  11. Soothsayer says:

    Still Dale – still an idiot.

    1. Not smart enough to figure out tha Mujah is an operative abbreviated form of Mujahideen. Okay, then, you’re on notice, rather than typing the extra letters, from now on “Mujah” = “Mujahideen” for dim bulbs.

    2. While your at it – can you explain what a “moatar” is? Did you perhaps mean “mortar”??

    3. Do you deny that it was bin Laden’s explicit plan to draw the West into conflict in which our expeinditure of resources far exceeds theirs? That is, asymmetirc conflict?

    4. Do you deny that is exactly what is going on in Iraq as we speak? That we have spent or are spending hundreds of billions of dollars – while al-Qaeda and related terrorist groups use Iraq as a training ground for guerrila activity?

    5. Do you deny that the reason the Russians left Afganistan was their realization that they lacked the resources to continue to fight?

    6. Do you deny that bin Laden was on the ground in Afghanistan, took the lesson the the Mujah, and used it as a template in his plan to engage and bleed the West?

    7. I never said that CIA support of the Mujah lead to the Taliban. What I said was that the defeat of the Russians and the victory of the Mujah lead to the Taliban – and it clearly did. I didn’t say there were no intervening forces, e.g., Pakistan and the Saudis – but that might well have not been possible if the Soviets had not been defeated first. It’s called “unintended consequences” – and even someone as logically challenged as you clearly are would have to admit that in the chronology of Afghanistan, the defeat of the Russians is followed by the rise of the Taliban.

    8. I admit that my language lacked precision concerning bin Laden and the Mujahideen. The entity called “al-Qaeda” did not formally exist until after the Russians had left Afghanistan, and in fact the group bin-Laden had been funding during the war against the Soviets(Maktab al-Khidmat) was based in Pakistan and provided training, money and support for Muslims who crossed the border into Afghanistan to fight. However, this does not affect the fact that bin Laden took the lesson of asymmetry to heart, and made it the center of his grandiose scheme to lure the West into conflict.

    As the US Department of Defense formally defined al-Qaeda:

    A radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani mujahideen

    Now I’m sure you know better than the DoD, but that’s what THEY say about al-Qaeda.

    Oh – and I love the deal that these extensive writings of yours are so super-secret that we can’t see them, but we should trust your expertise on all matters Islamic.

    As for security clearances – you couldn’t know what clearances I do have – and I certainly wouldn’t let you know if I did, so peddle your Top Secret super-agent status to somebody who cares – or believes you.

  12. DaleinAtlanta says:

    Ahhh, the Blog-ert and Googl’ert has been busy!!

    Didn’t know what a “mujah” was, didn’t know the correct terms for Mujahid and Mujaheen, and calls me an “idiot”….

    Ah, YEAH!…..chirp…..chirp…..chirp…..

    Sigh……….

    “moater”, “morter”; “sentance”, “sentence”; since I’m NOT Googling stuff like crazy, nor taking time to spell check, nor taking time to really CARE, big deal; at least I know what the spelling is, you however, don’t have a clue!

    Haahahahahahahaahhaha….

    PS: don’t EVEN try to pretend that you were using “Mujah” as an “operative” abbreviation for “Mujahid”

    C’mon, I’m NOT the one smoking crack here!

    Asymmetric Warfare, conflict, whatever, you wouldn’t know it if hit you square in the face! FACT!

    “A radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani mujahideen.”

    You had to GOOGLE that, obviously, because originally, you had no clue, and you still don’t!

    I don’t care what DOD defined it, that looks like an OLD definition, circa about 2001 anyhow, that’s not only outdated, but never was true!

    Bin Laden never recruited young Salafiyyah (I’ll let you Google that too; since you obviously don’t know, and it won’t sink in, even if I told you!) for the Afghan Mujahideen; the Afghan Mujahideen were, well….Afghanis! I know, pretty obvious, isn’t it?

    Almost from the very beginning, the Mujahideen and the “Afghan Arabs” didn’t get along, decided they didn’t want them there, and they operated seperately; and in fact, the Mujahideen were angry that all these “foreign Arabs” came in, threw their money around, the weight around, acted like they were in charge, hell, even their brand of Islam, because the Afghanis were a combination of Hanafi Sunnis and Shias, with a smattering of Hanbalis, Malakis, and Shafi’i (I’ll let you Google those as well, since you don’t have a clue, AGAIN!); as well as a mixture of various Sufi tariqa (GOOGLE PLEASE!), most of whom the tenets of Salafiyism and Qutbiyism, are anathema!

    Of course, what I just said, is WAY over your head, I’ll give you a week to GOOGLE, then try and come back and discuss intelligently!

    Anyway, those being the FACTS, the rest of your so-called “points” are either too inane, uninformed, idiotic, or just plain stupid and typical Leftist rants, to even waste my time in an attempt to respond too!

    That’s what happens, when a Leftist “amateur”, attempts to debate someone who actually knows what they are talking about (ME!)

    Security clearances, shemearity clearances; the last time YOU saw a “security clearance”, was when you were back in Nam in ’68.

    Besides, if you would CAREFULLY read my post, I NEVER once said I currently work in/for the US Government, and I never once said I currently have a TS clearance; all I EVER said, was YOU didn’t KNOW what I have, now, or in the past! FACT!

    Anyway, if you educate yourself for about five years, and master the basic FACTS, I’ll let you come back and post your uninformed Opinions!

  13. thecentercannothold says:

    And the winner is…..Soothsayer.

    Funny how Dale in Atlanta never complains about Strata conflating
    practically the entire Islamic world into a monolithic “Islamo-fascist” combine but he does complain about an innocuous mis-merging in an otherwise on target analysis.

    Simply Dale, when the Empire-meddlers of your adoration helped
    militant Islam push the Soviet out of Afghanistan they lit the brew of blowback. And don’t presume along the way there was no collaboration with Pakistani intelligence which at least in a broad way
    helped matters along.

    Dale forgives the Bush/Strata axis its monomaniacal focus
    on “al Qaeda” too as the only means of rallying the troops against the
    Herculean challenge of multi-tiered civil wars and insurgencies contemporaneously warring in Iraq-outlined by Juan Cole at his site in the past day or two.

    Specifically, AJ posts a story which mentions Baquba in a favorable way? Anybody hear what happened to , I believe, the Chief of Police
    and a spray of his bodyguards in Baquba today? It wasn’t pretty and in no way did it hint that Bush is on a path to anywhere but quagmire.

  14. DaleinAtlanta says:

    And the winner is…..Soothsayer.

    Ahhh, another nutbag Leftist, beautiful, and since it is another one who can’t read, AND backing up “soothsayer”, who’s to say they are not the SAME person? A sockpuppet handle “THECENTERCANNOTHOLD” who was never seen on this site until a few days ago, suddenly appears out of nowhere, to back up “soothsayer”; too cute and coincidental, actually!

    But the main point of your post, in support of “soothsayer”, is to demonstrate how completely ignorant of ALL the facts YOU personally are, and you’ve done a great job of that, by the way! Nice work!

    Expose your ignorance for us some more, along with the right hand of your sockpuppet, Soothsayer!

    I never saw ONCE, where AJ combined the whole Islamic world into the Islamofacist moniker, as you claim, again, another Leftist, another LIE!

    In fact, here is AJ’s direct quote:

    “al-Qaeda is an Islamo Fascist organization. ”

    Hmmmmmm, that looks pretty clear to me, but let me examine it thru the rose-colored glasses of naivetee and stupidity, of your average Leftist:

    Al-Qaeda…..is……an…..Islamo Fascist……organization….”

    Hmmmmmm……

    Oh, I SEE; when you put on the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Star Trekian Universal Translator, THEN it comes out “right”:

    “All…..of……Islam……is……composed……..of…….Islamo-fascists…….AJ……said…….beep…..beep……that…..does…..not……compute…..beep…….beep…….beep…

    Much better, I understand now!

    Whew, thank you!

    “about an innocuous mis-merging in an otherwise on target analysis.”

    Hahhahahahahah, only “soothsayer” could say that; he got EVERYTHING wrong, and for you, it’s “on target”!

    That’s beyoutiful!

    “And don’t presume along the way there was no collaboration with Pakistani intelligence which at least in a broad way
    helped matters along.”

    Ah, okay….duuuuuuuhhhhhhhh; collaboration between WHOM?

    The Taliban and Paki ISS? YES!

    The nascent Al Qaeda and the Paki ISS? YES!

    The CIA and Paki ISS? YES!

    The CIA and Al Qaeda? NO!

    The CIA and the Taliban? NO!

    And your point is, because we worked some with Paki ISS, that that caused the rise of Al Qaeda, is as inane, and uninformed as Soothsayer’s comments!

    “Juan Cole ” Thank you for that!

    That says it all!

    Anyone who reads Juan Cole, and quotes him, IMMEDIATELY exposes themselves EXACTLY for what they are!

    Anti-American; Anti-Semitic, Pro-Jihadi Leftist nutbags!

    Cole is a radical, socialist, self-described “expert” on Islam, who is anti-Semitic, pro-Jihadi, an apologist for the Iranian regieme and mad mullahs, a convert to the Bahai faith originally, Cole supposedly “left” the religion some years ago; and now his words and deeds smack of either a conversion to some inane Sufi sect, or Shii’sm itself!

    If that’s the “expert” you are listening too; you need to find yourself another expert, or go hang out at DU, TO or MO.org, where he is worshipped!

    Hahahahahhaah, you’ve just completely and totally exposed yourself, too beautiful…

  15. DaleinAtlanta says:

    Well, I made a long post, answering TCCH, and it disappeared into the aether! Doesn’t matter, I just fried you! End of discussion!

  16. MerlinOS2 says:

    Sooth doesn’t realize he is playing with the big boys now.

    This is gonna be fun to watch.

  17. Soothsayer says:

    Playing with the Big Boys???

    Dale in Atlanta is a legend in his own mind. He’d love to share his thousands of secret reports on Islam – BUT – they’re Top Secret, strictly hush-hush – on the QT!!!

    I bet even Scooter Libby hasn’t got clearance to read Dale’s insider stuff.

    As Center pointed out – Dale has been exposed as a fraudulent loser.

    As for:

    Security clearances, shemearity clearances; the last time YOU saw a “security clearance”, was when you were back in Nam in ‘68.

    :

    As I’ve mentioned before, Dale, when I was in the Bekaa Valley and the greater Damascus metro area in ’83 and ’84 I kinda think I had SOME kind of clearance. In fact, what with your alleged TS/Codeword Security Clearance, you ought to be able to call your secret agent buddies and find out all about my mission in Syria and where I am and what I’m doing now.

  18. DaleinAtlanta says:

    As I’ve mentioned before, Dale, when I was in the Bekaa Valley and the greater Damascus metro area in ‘83 and ‘84 I kinda think I had SOME kind of clearance. In fact, what with your alleged TS/Codeword Security Clearance, you ought to be able to call your secret agent buddies and find out all about my mission in Syria and where I am and what I’m doing now.

    Left by Soothsayer on June 9th, 2007

    Sooth: Ahhh yes, the mythical trip to the Bekaa Valley to drink tea with the “Russian Military Advisors”….

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!

    As for me being a legend in my own mind; that’s for me to know, and for you to let it endlesslly eat at what miniscule shreds of your brain are left, with jealousy!

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

    The best part, you’ll NEVER KNOW!

    The better part, AJ has actually seen some of MY “documentation”; let’s see if you can drag at least an acknowledgement out of him???

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

  19. Soothsayer says:

    That’s the best you’ve got?

    Pa-the-tic.