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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-162001</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikerken,

I have answered all the questions many times over.  You don&#039;t agree with my answers and show me respect by throwing childish temper tantrums.  And then, laughable, complain I don&#039;t listen to you.

Just chalk it up to my 5th grade, Soros loving mentality and you will never have to face the fact you effed up so badly I could care less what you write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikerken,</p>
<p>I have answered all the questions many times over.  You don&#8217;t agree with my answers and show me respect by throwing childish temper tantrums.  And then, laughable, complain I don&#8217;t listen to you.</p>
<p>Just chalk it up to my 5th grade, Soros loving mentality and you will never have to face the fact you effed up so badly I could care less what you write.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-161996</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can ban anyone you want anytime you want.  You are the one who mainly throws out temper tantrums and insults.  I have ask you some very pointed questions that you never answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can ban anyone you want anytime you want.  You are the one who mainly throws out temper tantrums and insults.  I have ask you some very pointed questions that you never answer.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-161988</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Bikerken, the only reason I have not banned you yet is you are perfect example of where the GOP should not go. The insults when you lose, etc is a perfect foil to where I would like to see the GOP go.  But be warned, I barely restrained my 5th grade self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Bikerken, the only reason I have not banned you yet is you are perfect example of where the GOP should not go. The insults when you lose, etc is a perfect foil to where I would like to see the GOP go.  But be warned, I barely restrained my 5th grade self.</p>
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		<title>By: AJStrata</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-161986</link>
		<dc:creator>AJStrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikerken,

I see you have your blinders on again.  The post was quite clear why the passport analogy was wrong on background checks.  Doh!  You folks keep going nowhere fast.

And Hypochondriac is the PERFECT analogy to those who fear any effort to legalize (through fines and resitution) illegal immigrants.  The truth is the label is sticking because it is not far fetched.

And I am anything but uneducated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikerken,</p>
<p>I see you have your blinders on again.  The post was quite clear why the passport analogy was wrong on background checks.  Doh!  You folks keep going nowhere fast.</p>
<p>And Hypochondriac is the PERFECT analogy to those who fear any effort to legalize (through fines and resitution) illegal immigrants.  The truth is the label is sticking because it is not far fetched.</p>
<p>And I am anything but uneducated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-161984</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The other myth I busted was the one where a background check for a criminal record could be done in less than 24 hours (yes) and it would take 3-4 months to process 12 million applications (yes) with what we have in place today.&quot;

Busted this myth????  Where? in AJ world! Process 12-20 million people in 3-4 months.  Have you tried to get a passport lately??   

Provisional Legal Status - 18 months????  You left something out AJ, it is automatically renewable for LIFE.  

Oh, and the idea that those with criminal records and intents are going to come out of the shadows with their hands outstretched waiting for handcuffs and deportation.  Are you REALLY THAT DELUSIONAL???

You are a real mystery to me sir.  You seem to be intelligent on some issues and then you come up with some of the, forgive me, dumbest ass, theories that anyone with a fifth grade education could do the math on and know that it don&#039;t add up.   

The fact is that pushing this bill on the American people against their will, and it is against their will, is an anti-American thing to do.   In any forum where the American people have voiced their opinion on this bill, the overwhelming majority has been against it.  To delude yourself by saying that most people are for some provisions of the bill is lying to yourself.  I&#039;m all for a real guest worker program but it would be very different from what they are proposing.  

Mexico is a corrupt socialist crime ridden country that is bent on soaking every dollar it can out of America to pay for their peoples education, medical care and basic subsistance and essentially squatting on certain pieces of land until it eventually becomes theirs, possesion being nine tenths of the law.  And don&#039;t be so obtuse as to tell be it&#039;s not happening when I can see it with my own eyes.  Bringing in over half their population is not a good idea.  Why do you want that to happen so much?  That is not what not what America is about.  Although we have made our mistakes in the past, we still have always strived to improve our country. But we have NEVER taken in so many people so fast who have exactly no intention at all of ever assimilating.  NEVER.  

I know why the opponents of the bill are against it because they say so. They live in areas that have been overrun with crime and cheap labor that vastly changes the culture and standard of living of the Americans living there.  That is why those of us who are against it fight it.  But you keep coming up with the most non-sensical weirdest logic justification for supporting this bill that anyone has ever heard.  Sometimes you sound like someone on George Soros payroll.  Right now, that would not surprise me to hear that.  WHY DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN??  Sometimes I wonder what you are hiding AJ.  Eventually, I think we will find out what it is and then all of your cryptic lack of ability to reason will become very clear.

And by the way, you are using the term Hypochondriac way off base here, it has to deal with health paranoia, it makes you look uneducated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The other myth I busted was the one where a background check for a criminal record could be done in less than 24 hours (yes) and it would take 3-4 months to process 12 million applications (yes) with what we have in place today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Busted this myth????  Where? in AJ world! Process 12-20 million people in 3-4 months.  Have you tried to get a passport lately??   </p>
<p>Provisional Legal Status &#8211; 18 months????  You left something out AJ, it is automatically renewable for LIFE.  </p>
<p>Oh, and the idea that those with criminal records and intents are going to come out of the shadows with their hands outstretched waiting for handcuffs and deportation.  Are you REALLY THAT DELUSIONAL???</p>
<p>You are a real mystery to me sir.  You seem to be intelligent on some issues and then you come up with some of the, forgive me, dumbest ass, theories that anyone with a fifth grade education could do the math on and know that it don&#8217;t add up.   </p>
<p>The fact is that pushing this bill on the American people against their will, and it is against their will, is an anti-American thing to do.   In any forum where the American people have voiced their opinion on this bill, the overwhelming majority has been against it.  To delude yourself by saying that most people are for some provisions of the bill is lying to yourself.  I&#8217;m all for a real guest worker program but it would be very different from what they are proposing.  </p>
<p>Mexico is a corrupt socialist crime ridden country that is bent on soaking every dollar it can out of America to pay for their peoples education, medical care and basic subsistance and essentially squatting on certain pieces of land until it eventually becomes theirs, possesion being nine tenths of the law.  And don&#8217;t be so obtuse as to tell be it&#8217;s not happening when I can see it with my own eyes.  Bringing in over half their population is not a good idea.  Why do you want that to happen so much?  That is not what not what America is about.  Although we have made our mistakes in the past, we still have always strived to improve our country. But we have NEVER taken in so many people so fast who have exactly no intention at all of ever assimilating.  NEVER.  </p>
<p>I know why the opponents of the bill are against it because they say so. They live in areas that have been overrun with crime and cheap labor that vastly changes the culture and standard of living of the Americans living there.  That is why those of us who are against it fight it.  But you keep coming up with the most non-sensical weirdest logic justification for supporting this bill that anyone has ever heard.  Sometimes you sound like someone on George Soros payroll.  Right now, that would not surprise me to hear that.  WHY DO YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN??  Sometimes I wonder what you are hiding AJ.  Eventually, I think we will find out what it is and then all of your cryptic lack of ability to reason will become very clear.</p>
<p>And by the way, you are using the term Hypochondriac way off base here, it has to deal with health paranoia, it makes you look uneducated.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleinAtlanta</title>
		<link>http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4105/comment-page-1#comment-161912</link>
		<dc:creator>DaleinAtlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.....

AJ, you&#039;re spinning so bad, you look like a Top!

You have NOT &quot;debunked&quot; this mythical Myth, I debunked YOUR &quot;debunking&quot; of this REALITY!

&quot;The other myth I busted was the one where a background check for a criminal record could be done in less than 24 hours (yes) and it would take 3-4 months to process 12 million applications (yes) with what we have in place today.&quot;

No ONE, can do a &quot;Bankground Check&quot; in 24 Hours; NO ONE!

You CANNOT process 12 MILLION applications, in 3 - 4 MONTHS; it IS IMPOSSIBLE!

The ONLY thing you showed, was that a FINGERPRINT Check (which is NOT the same as a &quot;Background Check&quot;, can be done in the IAFIS DB, within 24 Hours, under optimal conditions; and you IN THEORY, if the system is humming along, and there are no breakdowns, no interruptions, and NOTHING ELSE TO CHECK, you could, in THEORY, process 12 MILLION &quot;Fingerprint Checks&quot; in the IAFIS DB, in 3 - 4 MONTHS!

That&#039;s all you so-called Proved!

I have made it very clear, you CANNOT do a Single, solitary &quot;Background Check&quot; in 24hrs; NOT ONE!

You can ONLY query the IAFIS DB, for a Fingerprint Check, and see if there is a criminal record attached.

The fact that you consider a &quot;Fingerprint Check&quot;, the same as a &quot;Background Check&quot; shows you have no experience, nor knowledge of what is actually involved, I&#039;m sorry to say.

Please read the link AJ (though I know you won&#039;t)!

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis.htm

First if all, it makes it clear, it is a FINGERPRINT check system; and it&#039;s a Criminal check system, ONLY insofar as there IS a criminal history, associated with that set of fingerprints!

Please also Note AJ; there are ONLY 47 Million Sets of Prints, in that DB, AJ!   47 Million!

Why is that relevant?  Because there are over 12 MILLION ILLEGALS are currently in this country (if not more); and we have also 300 MILLION Citizens in the US as well.

That means that only 15% of the US/ILLEGAL population could possibly be in that DB to begin with!  FIFTEEN Percent; NOT EVERYONE; and certainly NOT EVERY ILLEGAL!

In fact, except those that have been arrested and fingerprinted; and you are NOT Fingerprinted, for every crime you committ/when you are arrested.

In addition, the DB contains &quot;historical&quot; fingerprints as well; which means the FBI has digitized and stored ALL the fingerprints, it has obatined throughout it&#039;s history; that means, the actual percentage of actually currently living individuals within the DB, compared to today&#039;s Population/ILLEGALS, is actually smaller than 15% of the total Population, Legal and ILLEGAL!

Couple that with the operative word &quot;voluntary&quot; in this sentance:

&quot;The fingerprints and corresponding criminal history information are submitted voluntarily by state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies.&quot;

That means AJ, that as with any DB, &quot;garbage in, garbage out&quot;!

Especially at the State and Local level; if they don&#039;t fingerprint people as a matter of routine, or if they have some incompetent local clerk, or just someone who is lazy; or you are dealing with Officials at any level, Federal/State/Local, that is one of these &quot;Santcuary&quot; nuts; to you think they are &quot;voluntarily&quot; submitting fingerprints to the DB, AJ??

Do you really think that all the Sancuary Cities we have, in nutty places like Mass, or Wash, or in those cities in the Southwest, where the entire town speaks Spanish, and they fly the Mexican flag, that those officials at the Local and State level, have &quot;voluntarily&quot; submitted Fingerprints to the FBI&#039;s DB, AJ?

If you believe that AJ, I have some swamp land in FL that I&#039;ll sell you, real cheap!

A FINGERPRINT check, against the IAFIS, AJ, is NOT a &quot;background&quot; check; and I want you to quit misleading your readers, and telling them that is so!

There are any number of readers of this Blog, such as R05, myself, maybe Merlin &amp; LE, who KNOW what a REAL &quot;Background Check&quot; is; and what is proposed in this Bill, and what you are touting that you &quot;debunked&quot;, are NOT &quot;background checks&quot;!

They are cursory Fingerprint Checks, with a possible criminal history attached, IF the Local or State authorities, &quot;voluntarily&quot; submitted the information to the FBI, via IAFIS.

And someone else asked you this question AJ, which like all the hard questions we ask you, you refuse to answer:  

What happens to those ILLEGALS, who are living here, who have committed crimes, and who KNOW they&#039;ve been fingerprinted!

Do you think they&#039;re going to &quot;voluntarily&quot; come forward, to apply to be Fingerprinted and checked again, when they KNOW they&#039;re going to get caught this time!

If you believe that AJ, again, I have some swampland for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230;..</p>
<p>AJ, you&#8217;re spinning so bad, you look like a Top!</p>
<p>You have NOT &#8220;debunked&#8221; this mythical Myth, I debunked YOUR &#8220;debunking&#8221; of this REALITY!</p>
<p>&#8220;The other myth I busted was the one where a background check for a criminal record could be done in less than 24 hours (yes) and it would take 3-4 months to process 12 million applications (yes) with what we have in place today.&#8221;</p>
<p>No ONE, can do a &#8220;Bankground Check&#8221; in 24 Hours; NO ONE!</p>
<p>You CANNOT process 12 MILLION applications, in 3 &#8211; 4 MONTHS; it IS IMPOSSIBLE!</p>
<p>The ONLY thing you showed, was that a FINGERPRINT Check (which is NOT the same as a &#8220;Background Check&#8221;, can be done in the IAFIS DB, within 24 Hours, under optimal conditions; and you IN THEORY, if the system is humming along, and there are no breakdowns, no interruptions, and NOTHING ELSE TO CHECK, you could, in THEORY, process 12 MILLION &#8220;Fingerprint Checks&#8221; in the IAFIS DB, in 3 &#8211; 4 MONTHS!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all you so-called Proved!</p>
<p>I have made it very clear, you CANNOT do a Single, solitary &#8220;Background Check&#8221; in 24hrs; NOT ONE!</p>
<p>You can ONLY query the IAFIS DB, for a Fingerprint Check, and see if there is a criminal record attached.</p>
<p>The fact that you consider a &#8220;Fingerprint Check&#8221;, the same as a &#8220;Background Check&#8221; shows you have no experience, nor knowledge of what is actually involved, I&#8217;m sorry to say.</p>
<p>Please read the link AJ (though I know you won&#8217;t)!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis.htm</a></p>
<p>First if all, it makes it clear, it is a FINGERPRINT check system; and it&#8217;s a Criminal check system, ONLY insofar as there IS a criminal history, associated with that set of fingerprints!</p>
<p>Please also Note AJ; there are ONLY 47 Million Sets of Prints, in that DB, AJ!   47 Million!</p>
<p>Why is that relevant?  Because there are over 12 MILLION ILLEGALS are currently in this country (if not more); and we have also 300 MILLION Citizens in the US as well.</p>
<p>That means that only 15% of the US/ILLEGAL population could possibly be in that DB to begin with!  FIFTEEN Percent; NOT EVERYONE; and certainly NOT EVERY ILLEGAL!</p>
<p>In fact, except those that have been arrested and fingerprinted; and you are NOT Fingerprinted, for every crime you committ/when you are arrested.</p>
<p>In addition, the DB contains &#8220;historical&#8221; fingerprints as well; which means the FBI has digitized and stored ALL the fingerprints, it has obatined throughout it&#8217;s history; that means, the actual percentage of actually currently living individuals within the DB, compared to today&#8217;s Population/ILLEGALS, is actually smaller than 15% of the total Population, Legal and ILLEGAL!</p>
<p>Couple that with the operative word &#8220;voluntary&#8221; in this sentance:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fingerprints and corresponding criminal history information are submitted voluntarily by state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies.&#8221;</p>
<p>That means AJ, that as with any DB, &#8220;garbage in, garbage out&#8221;!</p>
<p>Especially at the State and Local level; if they don&#8217;t fingerprint people as a matter of routine, or if they have some incompetent local clerk, or just someone who is lazy; or you are dealing with Officials at any level, Federal/State/Local, that is one of these &#8220;Santcuary&#8221; nuts; to you think they are &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; submitting fingerprints to the DB, AJ??</p>
<p>Do you really think that all the Sancuary Cities we have, in nutty places like Mass, or Wash, or in those cities in the Southwest, where the entire town speaks Spanish, and they fly the Mexican flag, that those officials at the Local and State level, have &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; submitted Fingerprints to the FBI&#8217;s DB, AJ?</p>
<p>If you believe that AJ, I have some swamp land in FL that I&#8217;ll sell you, real cheap!</p>
<p>A FINGERPRINT check, against the IAFIS, AJ, is NOT a &#8220;background&#8221; check; and I want you to quit misleading your readers, and telling them that is so!</p>
<p>There are any number of readers of this Blog, such as R05, myself, maybe Merlin &amp; LE, who KNOW what a REAL &#8220;Background Check&#8221; is; and what is proposed in this Bill, and what you are touting that you &#8220;debunked&#8221;, are NOT &#8220;background checks&#8221;!</p>
<p>They are cursory Fingerprint Checks, with a possible criminal history attached, IF the Local or State authorities, &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; submitted the information to the FBI, via IAFIS.</p>
<p>And someone else asked you this question AJ, which like all the hard questions we ask you, you refuse to answer:  </p>
<p>What happens to those ILLEGALS, who are living here, who have committed crimes, and who KNOW they&#8217;ve been fingerprinted!</p>
<p>Do you think they&#8217;re going to &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; come forward, to apply to be Fingerprinted and checked again, when they KNOW they&#8217;re going to get caught this time!</p>
<p>If you believe that AJ, again, I have some swampland for you!</p>
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